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16 de octubre
Wikipedia:VB
Una redirección de acceso directo desde el espacio de nombres de Wikipedia a una plantilla de navegación no tiene mucho sentido. Probablemente debería redirigirse a Wikipedia:WikiProject Volleyball . ✗ plicit 14:49, 8 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Reorientar como se sugiere o eliminar, estoy de acuerdo en que este XNR no tiene sentido. Crouch, Swale ( discusión ) 18:49 8 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Redirigir al proyecto wiki o eliminar como segunda opción. De cualquier manera, no debería ser un WP:XNR . Fieari ( discusión ) 23:23 8 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar . Wikipedia:WikiProject Volleyball no se ha dado cuenta de que no los redirecciona y, por lo tanto, no lo necesitan. Shhhnotsoloud ( discusión ) 14:26 13 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar por Shhhhnotsoloud. Ambiguo con respecto a una plantilla aleatoria. Si WP Volleyball la quiere, la puede crear. Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 15:35, 14 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
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Estreñimiento
Término no mencionado ni definido en el objetivo. Aunque es similar a "Estreñimiento", parece ser una afección completamente diferente y más grave. ¡ Habla CycloneYoris ! 09:58, 8 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Tras una rápida búsqueda, no he encontrado un objetivo lo suficientemente bueno para eso, aparte de tal vez una obstrucción intestinal (donde tampoco se menciona). ¿Funcionaría por ahora una redirección suave a wikt:obstipation? cogsan (me regañan) (me acechan) 13:52, 8 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Una nota rápida: este término, "estreñimiento", es muy, muy raro en comparación con la obstrucción intestinal aguda (que parece ser el término equivalente "moderno", pero esa es solo mi impresión y no una fuente confiable).
- Las definiciones del diccionario daban algo así como "estreñimiento grave + agudo", e incluso parecía una emergencia médica. Por lo tanto, basándome en esas definiciones del diccionario, cambié el enlace de defecación obstruida , que en mi opinión era inapropiado (esta última es una afección crónica, no una emergencia médica) y además no tenía fuentes. Moribundum ( discusión ) 18:10 8 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
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Batalla de la ciudad 17
Posible WP:Fancruft aunque técnicamente no está mal TeapotsOfDoom ( discusión ) 18:26 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- ¿A alguien le importaría agrupar La Batalla de la Ciudad 17 y La Batalla por la Ciudad 17 ? TeapotsOfDoom ( discusión ) 18:29 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Aeropuerto de Shamrock
Se dirige a un artículo de clase lista que no contiene información específica sobre el tema. El tema en sí parece no estar a la altura de WP:GNG y WP:NBUILD debido a la falta de cobertura en las fuentes de WP:SECONDARY, excluyendo las menciones de WP:ROTM en bases de datos gubernamentales y de navegación relacionadas con la aviación, por lo que es poco probable que la redirección justifique alguna vez su reemplazo por un artículo completo. Carguychris ( discusión ) 19:17 30 sep 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Las redirecciones de Keep no tienen por qué cumplir con WP:N (y no tienen por qué tener potencial para ser artículos independientes) y, en particular, dado que el objetivo tiene información sobre el aeropuerto que se parece más al aeropuerto de Shamrock, esta es una redirección generalmente útil. Skynxnex ( discusión ) 19:25, 30 de septiembre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Redirigir al aeropuerto de Brooklyn , que tiene "Aeropuerto Shamrock" como nombre alternativo según la foto del cartel en el artículo. Dirigir el artículo a un artículo en prosa parece más útil para los lectores y, si es necesario, siempre se puede agregar una nota a la lista. - Presidentman talk · contribs ( Talkback ) 22:09, 30 de septiembre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Manténgase . Mencionado en el objetivo, que también tiene una nota al aeropuerto de Brooklyn . Shhhnotsoloud ( discusión ) 10:13 6 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
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Comentario sobre la publicación:¿Mantener o reorientar?
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- Redirección débil al aeropuerto de Brooklyn con hatnote, que creo que es ligeramente preferible a mantener. (El título de esta redirección era el título anterior del artículo sobre el aeropuerto de Brooklyn). J 947 ‡ edits 21:11, 8 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Reorientación hacia el aeropuerto de Brooklyn . Creo que el hecho de que uno de estos sea lo suficientemente notable como para tener un artículo independiente, mientras que el otro está enterrado en una lista, hace que WP:PTOPIC sea claro. Se puede agregar una nota al pie por si acaso. Fieari ( discusión ) 04:27 11 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
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- Redirigir al aeropuerto de Brooklyn y agregar una nota sobre el aeropuerto municipal de Shamrock en Shamrock, Texas (que es a donde intentaba apuntar la redirección), que de otra manera es una franja básica de asfalto con un hangar y no tiene ningún código de aeropuerto real más allá de una asignación de "2F1". Nate • ( charla ) 16:41, 16 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Wikipedia: WikiProject Pokémon/Bulbasaur
Como hablé con TechnoSquirrel69 , ¿esto podría ser problemático ? Web-julio ( discusión ) 02:54 8 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Los WikiProjects generalmente hacen lo que quieren en su propio espacio de nombres. -- 65.92.246.77 ( discusión ) 03:04 8 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- De hecho, como dice el editor anónimo, estos parecen ser {{ R from move }} inofensivos que podrían ser útiles para el WikiProject; algunos de ellos incluso tienen enlaces internos. Dado que ninguno de los problemas habituales asociados con las redirecciones entre espacios de nombres se aplica realmente aquí, me inclino a mantener . — TechnoSquirrel69 ( suspiro ) 03:13, 8 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Keep - Redirecciones inofensivas de Wikiproject. No son de cara al usuario, los wikiproyectos pueden hacer lo que quieran con ellas. Fieari ( discusión ) 06:58 10 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- refinar la segunda lista de pokémon gen 1#meowth , encontrar una manera de encontrar redirecciones y encontrar el resto para los existentes (opcional) cogsan (regañame) (acechame) 11:39, 10 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
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Ataques de 2001
Estas redirecciones presuponen que el 11 de septiembre es el único ataque terrorista que ocurrió en 2001, lo cual es falso. Sugiero que se redirija a la Lista de incidentes terroristas de 2001. En cuanto a los ataques de 2001 , probablemente RC, IR pueda eliminarlos por completo, ya que se realizaron hace menos de un año. SeaHaircutSoilReplace ( discusión ) 23:35 7 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Redirigir a la lista de incidentes terroristas de 2001 según @SeaHaircutSoilReplace . ¿No se había modificado esto antes? El término es demasiado ambiguo para apuntar a un artículo sobre un incidente en particular, incluso si el 11 de septiembre es el más significativo desde el punto de vista histórico. Carguychris ( discusión ) 15:38 8 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- @Carguychris Esta redirección no ha sido modificada previamente, lo cual me parece ridículo. SeaHaircutSoilReplace ( discusión ) 15:59 8 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- No te preocupes, creo que se trataba de algo similar y vago, como "incidente terrorista de 2001". Solo recuerdo haber hecho un comentario casi idéntico antes. Carguychris ( discusión ) 16:57 8 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Acabo de encontrar los ataques terroristas de 2001 a través de WLH y los agregué a esta propuesta. SeaHaircutSoilReplace ( discusión ) 17:24 8 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Redireccionamiento según lo indicado anteriormente. Hubo algunas redirecciones similares a principios de este año, pero no recuerdo cuáles. PARAKANYAA ( discusión ) 19:37 8 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- @ Carguychris y PARKANYAA: puede que estén pensando en Wikipedia:Redirecciones para discusión/Registro/2024 9 de febrero #2001 Ataques de Nueva York (esa nominación fue retirada), aunque ninguno de ustedes comentó sobre esa discusión. Yo también recuerdo algo similar a esto y es lo único que puedo encontrar. Thryduulf ( discusión ) 22:58 8 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- @PARKANYAA : arreglando el ping . Thryduulf ( charla ) 22:59, 8 de octubre de 2024 (UTC)[ responder ]
- @ Thryduulf De hecho, eso era lo que estaba pensando. Recuerdo otro similar, aunque supongo que eso no importa mucho, jaja. Gracias. PARAKANYAA ( discusión ) 23:15 8 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- @PARAKANYAA después de buscar un poco más encontré Wikipedia:Redirecciones para discusión/Registro/2024 9 de septiembre #2001 incidente en el que Carguychris participó. El resultado fue eliminarlo porque era demasiado vago. Thryduulf ( discusión ) 23:29 8 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- ¡Ese era el otro! Gracias. Lo vi. Rara vez voto en las RfD, pero me quedo mucho al acecho. PARAKANYAA ( discusión ) 23:31 8 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Sí, eso fue todo. Carguychris ( discusión ) 15:06 10 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Manténgalo . No estoy de acuerdo con la nominación, estas redirecciones no asumen que el 11 de septiembre es el único ataque terrorista en 2001, sino que el 11 de septiembre sería el tema principal para estos términos. Todo esto dice que alguien que busque "ataques (terroristas) de 2001" probablemente estaría buscando el 11 de septiembre por sobre todos los demás temas. Si bien en 2001 también hubo eventos como los ataques con ántrax de 2001 y la bomba en el zapato , todos palidecen en comparación con el 11 de septiembre. -- T avix ( discusión ) 16:37, 10 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Mantengamos el 11-S como tema principal. C F A 💬 22:50, 12 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Comentario @ Tavix @ CFA Incluso si fuera el tema principal, no creo que nadie buscara "ataques de 2001" o "ataques terroristas de 2001" si estuviera buscando el 11 de septiembre. Lo más probable es que simplemente buscaran, bueno, 11 de septiembre . Sea Haircut Soil Replace (discusión) 00:53 13 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- A mí me parece bastante plausible, la verdad. Las redirecciones son baratas. C F A 💬 14:45, 13 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
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Aeropuerto de Hall
He publicado el artículo sobre este aeropuerto en el que se basa que no cumple con los requisitos de WP:GNG y WP:NBUILD debido a la falta de cobertura en las fuentes de WP:SECONDARY, excluyendo las menciones de WP:ROTM en las bases de datos de navegación y gubernamentales relacionadas con la aviación. Otro usuario hizo un esfuerzo de buena fe para preservar el contenido fusionándolo con el artículo de Kaufman, Texas , pero el usuario no se dio cuenta de que el aeropuerto ha sido eliminado de los registros de la FAA porque presumiblemente ha cerrado de forma permanente (lo que, en retrospectiva, debería haber mencionado en la nominación de PROD). Por lo tanto, el artículo del aeropuerto ha sido reemplazado por una redirección que apunta a un artículo sobre una ciudad, pero el contenido que habla del aeropuerto presumiblemente debería eliminarse del artículo de destino por las mismas razones que describo anteriormente. Sugiero que tanto el contenido como la redirección deberían eliminarse. Carguychris ( discusión ) 21:57, 7 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- @ Carguychris : Mientras el contenido esté ahí, la redirección es apropiada. Si el contenido se elimina del artículo de destino (que no es algo que RfD pueda o deba obligar, pero es algo que usted puede hacer por sí mismo según WP:BRD ), entonces lo correcto es restaurar el artículo y enviarlo a AfD. Si cree que el contenido no es adecuado para Wikipedia, entonces le recomendaría la última opción (en cuyo caso puede cerrar esto como retirado). -- Tamzin [ cetáceo necesario ] ( they|xe ) 22:55, 7 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Vale, he eliminado el contenido del aeropuerto del artículo de destino, pero devolver el artículo anterior sobre el aeropuerto de Hall únicamente a AfD parece excesivo. Carguychris ( discusión ) 15:31 8 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Comentario WP:RECENTISM Wikipedia no trata solo de lo que hay ahora, la historia también es parte de Wikipedia. Entonces, si había un aeropuerto allí, ¿por qué no sería apropiado que fuera parte de la historia de la ciudad? Así como conservamos el artículo sobre el aeropuerto de Tempelhof después de su cierre, entonces deberíamos tener secciones de historia para las ciudades, mencionando puntos de referencia importantes que ya no existen.-- 65.92.246.77 ( discusión ) 03:09, 8 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Tempelhof claramente cumple con WP:GNG y WP:NBUILD . El aeropuerto de Hall era una pista de césped de 2500 pies de propiedad privada sin instalaciones significativas. La mayoría de las pistas de aterrizaje privadas pequeñas no deberían tener artículos de Wikipedia según WP:ROTM , pero muchas de ellas sí los tienen porque están incluidas en bases de datos de aviación en línea convenientes. Carguychris ( discusión ) 13:38, 8 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Estoy de acuerdo con el anónimo. Yo preferiría restaurar el contenido del artículo y mantener la redirección. Estoy de acuerdo en que este aeropuerto no es lo suficientemente notable como para tener su propio artículo. No estoy de acuerdo en que no valga la pena mencionarlo en el artículo sobre la ciudad. - Presidentman talk · contribs ( Talkback ) 18:14, 8 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Conservar y restaurar el contenido según el Presidente. El hecho de que esté cerrado no significa que no se deba mencionar en absoluto. A7V2 ( discusión ) 04:38 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
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Personajes no mencionados de Suikoden
Ninguno de estos se menciona en el objetivo. *Pppery* ha comenzado... 00:36, 25 de septiembre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Conservar todo (se aplica también a las nominaciones anteriores; haré C&P allí si es necesario, pero será la misma discusión) por criterio 1 (todos estos fueron fusionados) y criterio 5 (son útiles - por ejemplo, enlaces desde una página de desambiguación o simplemente búsquedas de un personaje). También es al menos posible que las listas de personajes puedan ser recuperadas algún día con mejores fuentes independientes. Útil e inofensivo, mejor dejarlo así en mi opinión. (Ver Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2018_January_11#Characters_of_Final_Fantasy_V para un ejemplo de lista de personajes que fue redirigida, la redirección fue nominada para eliminación, la RFD falló y el historial de la página se mantuvo, y el artículo efectivamente volvió más tarde.) SnowFire ( discusión ) 01:17, 25 de septiembre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Hay una distinción entre las redirecciones que hacen referencia a los personajes como un concepto, como la discusión a la que enlazaste, las redirecciones que hacen referencia a los personajes como una lista y las redirecciones que hacen referencia a personajes individuales. Personajes de Suikoden o Personajes de Suikoden estarían bien como redirecciones basadas en el precedente al que enlazaste (con el que estoy de acuerdo), porque el destino contiene alguna discusión de los personajes como un concepto. La lista de personajes de Suikoden es perjudicial porque su existencia implica engañosamente que el destino contiene, bueno, una lista de personajes de Suikoden, lo cual no es así, lo que deja a cualquier usuario confundido.Las redirecciones para caracteres individuales también son perjudiciales porque implican engañosamente que Wikipedia tiene algún contenido sobre el personaje cuando no es así.Y en particular, no son útiles para enlaces en una página de desambiguación porque cualquier uso de ese tipo haría fallar a WP:DABMENTION , y el hecho de que haría fallar esa directriz está oculto para la mayoría de sus encargados de hacerla cumplir, quienes probablemente no lo verifiquen.Y no creo que ninguna de las partes de WP:R#K1 se aplique realmente: la historia de la mayoría de estos es contenido de estilo Fandom, lo cual es peor que empezar desde cero si intentaras crear un artículo sobre uno de los personajes, y no es necesario conservar nada legalmente ya que no se fusionó nada más allá de las listas que también creo que deberían eliminarse. * Pppery * ha comenzado... 02:16, 25 de septiembre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- La lista de personajes de Suikoden contiene un historial de páginas significativo que será relevante si alguien alguna vez quiere intentar restaurar estos artículos y/o fusionar contenido de ellos. El "historial de páginas significativo" es específicamente un criterio de conservación en RFD. No hay nada engañoso aquí en absoluto: eso era un artículo si alguien seguía algunos enlaces antiguos en el historial de páginas, y una redirección es el identificador adecuado para ello. Lo mismo para personajes específicos. No hay ningún problema en absoluto, y el estándar en RFD es simplemente "es útil". No estoy diciendo que cada pequeña pieza de basura tenga que conservarse, si alguien fuera por ahí haciendo redirecciones para cada nombre de habilidad o mazmorra, pero todos estos tienen historiales de páginas no triviales y algunos de ellos son personajes destacados para los que una redirección es útil (criterio de conservación 5).
- ¿Cambiaría las cosas si dijera que, personalmente, me resultaría útil el historial de la página? Porque no me malinterpreten, creo que algunos de los artículos de la lista deberían volver, pero no quería molestarme en pelearme en una posible AFD a menos que pudiera conseguir fuentes que probablemente estén en japonés. Pero como muestra el ejemplo de FF5, esto puede pasar. He trabajado en artículos "serios" que no tenían que ver con los videojuegos y que estaban en un estado débil y sin fuentes, y, en general, el contenido existente, por problemático que fuera, no era en absoluto peor que nada, a menudo era bastante útil. SnowFire ( discusión ) 02:27, 25 de septiembre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Considero que las redirecciones se basan en el presente, no en el pasado. Es engañoso tener una redirección de "lista de X" que apunte a una página donde no hay ninguna lista de X. Es engañoso tener una redirección que apunte a un lugar donde no existe ninguna discusión sobre el término al que se redirige. Creo que partimos de puntos de vista suficientemente diferentes como para que ninguno de los dos convenza al otro de nuestra posición, así que lo dejaré así. * Pppery * ha comenzado... 02:34, 25 de septiembre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Supongo que sí, pero no se trata únicamente de una cuestión de opinión sin una respuesta correcta y solo de consenso. Los criterios de conservación de RFD son bastante explícitos en cuanto a que el "historial de página no trivial" es de hecho una razón para conservarlo, ya que es "útil para alguien que dice que es útil de buena fe", y ambas se cumplen aquí. Los personajes de Suikoden se analizan en los artículos pertinentes, aunque no con la profundidad que tenía la lista anterior. Y solo por una cuestión práctica, en lugar de dedicar mucho trabajo a eliminar las redirecciones y solicitar que se vuelvan a crear en el espacio de usuario o algo similar, ¿por qué no dejar que todas las redirecciones antiguas vuelvan a la vida si alguien escribió una lista de personajes de Suikoden al estilo de Wikipedia moderna? (No es mi argumento principal, pero lo planteo. Nuevamente, vea el caso de FF5: parece que, según su lógica, deberíamos haber eliminado ese artículo y todas sus redirecciones, y luego haber obligado a las personas que querían recrearlo a hablar con un administrador si querían ver el historial de la página antes de recrearlo y las redirecciones más tarde. ¿Para qué beneficio?) SnowFire ( discusión ) 23:17, 25 de septiembre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- No estoy de acuerdo con la afirmación de que eliminar redirecciones que no son útiles para los lectores es
una tarea inútil
. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 15:46, 27 de septiembre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- + 1 Steel1943 (discusión) 19:54 28 sep 2024 (UTC)[responder]
- @ Steel1943 , dado tu voto a continuación, supongo que estás tratando de+ 1¿Mi comentario y no el de SnowFire? 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 23:18, 2 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- ¡Mis sangrías no mienten! Steel1943 ( discusión ) 23:56 2 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Ups, ¿se trataba de Pppery? Parece que me confundí con las líneas sangradas de CD debido a la
+ 1. Aunque supongo que para eso está el botón "Ir al comentario principal".
1234qwer 1234qwer 4 00:06, 3 de octubre de 2024 (UTC)
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- Conservar todo para la preservación de la historia no trivial y la utilidad para alguien. WP:CHEAP se aplica, y no acepto el argumento de que es perjudicial. No creo que WP:LEAST se viole si alguien fuera redirigido a este objetivo, incluso si actualmente falta información, y hay una declaración de buena fe anterior de que estos personajes pueden tener suficientes fuentes para ser considerados notables según los estándares de Wikipedia en el futuro, lo cual aceptaré al pie de la letra. Fieari ( discusión ) 00:18, 26 de septiembre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- ¿No se aplicaría aquí la misma lógica que establece que las redirecciones de personajes individuales no destacables de Fire Emblem (como Matthew )? Esto me parece un poco indiscriminado. cogsan (regáchame) (acechame) 20:19, 26 de septiembre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Borrar todo . Si no están ahí, no están ahí. Es engañoso que los lectores sean redirigidos al artículo de destino cuando literalmente no hay nada allí sobre los temas de las redirecciones. Si hay alguna inquietud con los historiales de cualquiera de estas redirecciones, considere restaurarlas y enviarlas a WP:AFD . Steel1943 ( discusión ) 22:21 27 sep 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Para poner esto en perspectiva, la plantilla WP:RCAT {{ R sin mención }} pone la página en una categoría de mantenimiento llamada Categoría:Redirecciones a un artículo sin mención . El propósito de la categoría antes mencionada es esencialmente un atraso de mantenimiento; la categoría está destinada a estar vacía, lo que significa que las redirecciones que están etiquetadas con esta plantilla deben eliminarse o debe agregarse una mención de las redirecciones al artículo de destino. Ninguno de los votos de "mantener" hasta ahora ha abordado esta hipocresía. Si no se toma ninguna de las acciones mencionadas anteriormente, es similar a devolver las redirecciones al mismo atraso de mantenimiento en el que ya estaban, lo que no da como resultado ningún progreso para mejorar la enciclopedia. Steel1943 ( discusión ) 18:47, 28 de septiembre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- ¿Por qué las historias relevantes deberían ir a la AFD? Nadie está defendiendo que se vuelvan a incluir los artículos específicos de los personajes, por lo que no tiene sentido que se incluyan en la AFD; es un asunto que compete a la RFD.
- En cuanto a la categoría de mantenimiento, estoy seguro de que hay literalmente miles de redirecciones que "deberían" estar en esa categoría, pero que en realidad son inofensivas y "útiles" y se mantendrían en discusiones RFD hipotéticas con mucha asistencia. Habitualmente tenemos redirecciones menores por una variedad de razones, incluida la preservación de los historiales de las páginas y la utilidad. RFD Keep #5 es bastante directo: si desea mejorar la enciclopedia, simplemente permita que existan redirecciones útiles pero menores. Están bien. SnowFire ( discusión ) 02:42, 3 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- No es broma que esto es de RfD y no de AfD. Sin embargo, la forma en que te has referido a estas redirecciones me hace creer que la existencia de estas redirecciones anteriormente como artículos o que se mencionaran en el objetivo antes valida su existencia como redirecciones. Ese no es el caso, causa problemas y no tengo ganas de repetir mis argumentos que expresé antes, que siguen siendo válidos y refutan este punto. Mi comentario de AfD estaba dirigido a los votos de "mantener" anteriores, pero preferiría que estas redirecciones se eliminaran de inmediato. Las redirecciones no están "bien" y actualmente no son "útiles" ya que los lectores no encontrarán nada sobre los temas de las redirecciones en el objetivo. Steel1943 ( discusión ) 05:07, 3 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Además, véase WP:RSURPRISE , que se aplica totalmente aquí debido a la falta de menciones en el artículo de destino. (Nota relacionada: uno pensaría que yo, un editor que trabaja principalmente con redirecciones durante más de una década, conocería Wikipedia:Redirect lo suficientemente bien como para saber de la existencia de la sección vinculada desde el acceso directo mencionado anteriormente... bueno, acabo de descubrirlo... 😅) Steel1943 ( discusión ) 16:56 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
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- Borra la mayoría por Steel1943. La mayoría de estos nunca tuvieron fuentes, y todos estos que existieron como artículos lo fueron por alrededor de un año o menos, pero algunos fueron creados como redirecciones. Los que tenían fuentes, y por eso soy neutral entre restaurar o eliminar (pero me opongo a mantener como redirecciones a un artículo que no los analiza) son: Barbarossa Rugner , Camille (Suikoden) , Georg Prime (también podría redireccionarse a George Prime ), Windy (Suikoden) y la familia Silverberg . Nash Latkje parecía tener una fuente, pero es un enlace roto (no tiene el formato correcto en Wikipedia), así que tal vez caiga en la misma categoría. Kraze tenía una fuente, pero también parece que podría referirse a muchas cosas, por ejemplo, Kraze United o un error ortográfico de craze , así que tampoco estoy seguro de eso, tal vez algún tipo de dab. A7V2 ( discusión ) 01:14 6 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Demasiados para revisar. Renominar en fragmentos más pequeños o individualmente. Pero puedo comenzar a revisar uno a la vez. 1. Alen (Suikoden): eliminé el enlace entrante de la página de Alen. Elimínelo si no hay contenido que valga la pena fusionar o restáurelo y AfD. Jay 💬 09:45, 12 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- 2. Apple (Suikoden): eliminar si no hay contenido que valga la pena fusionar, o restaurar y AfD. Jay 💬 16:06, 13 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- 3. Barbarossa Rugner es un {{ R from merge }} , que se fusionó con Lista de personajes de Suikoden I , y ahora está en el historial de Lista de personajes de Suikoden . Jay 💬 17:39, 14 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- 4. Bright (Suikoden): he eliminado el enlace entrante de la página de Bright. Elimínelo porque no tenemos información sobre el objetivo ni sobre enwiki. Jay 💬 16:07, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Borren todo por ahora, ya que no se mencionan. Espero que se vuelva a crear una lista de personajes con mejores fuentes. Si alguien quiere encargarse de esa tarea, agradecería una restauración para ese propósito. -- T avix ( discusión ) 23:16 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
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Laila Bonita
No se menciona esto ni ninguna otra portada indonesia (según el resumen de la edición) en el artículo. Xeroctic ( discusión ) 15:23 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar por nombre; no hay menciones de tal cobertura en ninguna parte de WP. 35.139.154.158 ( discusión ) 16:31 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
gitano
Actualmente, está dirigido a la población romaní . Término controvertido, considerado un insulto por un grupo considerable de personas. Nombres de la población romaní #Gypsy y gitano sería un mejor objetivo, que analiza mejor los términos. También hay una desambiguación: Gypsy (desambiguación) . Bug Ghost 🦗👻 12:01, 16 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Oponerse . Insulto o no, ese es el tema/significado principal. Wikipedia es WP:NOTCENSORED . Ver Nigger . Clarityfiend ( discusión ) 12:18 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- No sugiero eliminación o censura, solo redirigir a un artículo que analiza el término, en lugar del grupo objetivo del insulto (como el ejemplo que publicas, ese es un artículo que analiza el insulto en sí , no es una redirección al grupo de personas al que está dirigido el insulto) Bug Ghost 🦗👻 12:21, 16 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- No hay ningún artículo sobre el insulto en sí, pero los romaníes lo mencionan en la introducción y lo comentan con cierta extensión. Clarityfiend ( discusión ) 12:28 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Sería muy útil un artículo que analizara el término. Si alguien quiere empezar a escribir un artículo de este tipo, estaría dispuesto a ayudar y podría publicarlo en Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countering systemic bias . Yuchitown ( talk ) 16:06 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Notaré que citar WP:NOTCENSORED en este caso se encuentra con problemas de WP:UPPERCASE , vea WP:UPPERCASE#WP:NOTCENSORED . El ensayo correcto para citar aquí es en cambio WP:RNEUTRAL como lo tengo a continuación. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( discusión ) 14:41 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Mantén todo como se indica en WP:RNEUTRAL . Una vez más, explicaré por qué mantenemos las redirecciones de insultos como estas en dos partes, aunque incluiré una tercera parte.
- Como se indica en WP:RNEUTRAL , las redirecciones tienen mucho más margen de maniobra que el resto de la enciclopedia en lo que respecta a la neutralidad, porque son casi invisibles, excepto cuando se utilizan activamente (o se mencionan en notas de sombrero/texto en negrita, como en WP:RASTONISH ). Nadie va a empezar en Romani people y terminar en Gypsy debido a la redirección en sí , a menos que se esfuercen por comprobar la página Special:WhatLinksHere/Romani_people .
- Las redirecciones no neutrales también sirven como una herramienta de enseñanza importante. Digamos que un usuario vio El jorobado de Notre Dame (película de 1996) , que tiene una gran presencia del pueblo romaní en la trama, pero utiliza constantemente la palabra gitano para referirse a ellos y no tiene prácticamente ninguna otra información sobre ellos. El usuario va a Wikipedia y escribe gitano en la barra de búsqueda. ¿No le vendría bien que lo llevaran al artículo sobre el pueblo romaní y le enseñaran que el término correcto y neutral para referirse a ellos es romaní?
- Y, por último, en el caso de estas redirecciones en particular, es probable que la gente no busque gitano para encontrar una discusión sobre el término en sí, sino que busque gitano para encontrar una discusión sobre los romaníes. Por lo tanto, el párrafo de apertura de Romani_people , que ya habla del término gitano y de cómo es un exónimo que se considera un insulto, es más que suficiente para evitar WP:RASTONISH y abordar el punto 2 anterior. Como mínimo, puede que se justifique un enlace más accesible en algún lugar de ese párrafo que apunte a Nombres del pueblo romaní#Gypsy y gipsy ; sin embargo, el objetivo actual de la redirección definitivamente va al lugar correcto.
- 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( discusión ) 13:03 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Mantén todo según Lunamann. El término está descrito en el objetivo actual, por lo que no parece haber una necesidad urgente de volver a apuntar. - Presidentman talk · contribs ( Talkback ) 13:57, 16 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar Gyp (jerga) por falta de un objetivo que explique su significado, segunda opción: redirigir a Wikcionario. Mantener el resto , en su mayoría según Lunamann, pero añadir Nombres del pueblo romaní#Gypsy y gitano a hatnote . El hecho de que este término siga siendo utilizado por muchos miembros de la comunidad en cuestión, y para bien o para mal por muchos que no lo utilizan, hace que el artículo sobre el concepto, en lugar de sobre la palabra, sea el mejor objetivo, pero ambos son plausibles. -- Tamzin [ cetáceo necesario ] ( they|xe ) 17:06, 16 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Definitivamente no agregues insultos a las notas de sombrero. Eso solo los resalta más. Yuchitown ( discusión ) 17:49 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- La nota del sombrero ya dice "Gitano", "Gitanos", "Gipsy" y "Gipsies" redirige aquí. Esto es sólo una cuestión de lo que viene después de eso. -- Tamzin [ cetáceo necesario ] ( they|xe ) 20:34, 16 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- El objetivo de las redirecciones es beneficiar a los lectores. Si buscan información sobre personas romaníes a las que todavía se les suele llamar gitanos, la encontrarán. Si buscan información sobre el término en sí, esa información se proporciona allí. Gyp (jerga) es una redirección con historia, por lo que una redirección a Wikcionario podría ser mejor. Traumnovelle ( discusión ) 17:53, 16 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Redirección suave de Gyp (jerga) a Wikcionario (tiene múltiples usos no relacionados con el objetivo actual). Conservar el resto según Lunamann et al. Thryduulf ( discusión ) 19:51 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Jamie Jungers
No se menciona en el objetivo. (Como se muestra a continuación, las redirecciones de personas parecen un poco más urgentes que la mayoría de las redirecciones a un artículo sin mención ). jlwoodwa ( discusión ) 01:42, 9 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Buscando otras menciones en Wikipedia: el artículo del índice del conjunto Jungers dice que es una
mujer asociada con Tiger Woods
, y se la describe tangencialmente como una de las supuestas amantes de Tiger Woods
en Be-Shure § Notes and Dog's Most Wanted § ep6 . Be-Shure solo cita guías de televisión para esa afirmación, y la otra no está citada. Dado que no hay un buen objetivo en otro lugar, creo que la redirección debería eliminarse a menos que se agregue una mención que satisfaga WP:BLP a Tiger Woods . jlwoodwa ( discusión ) 04:18, 9 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ] Se volvió a publicar para generar una discusión más exhaustiva y un consenso más claro.
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- Borrar redirección que viola la ley BLP y que no tiene mucho sentido. Traumnovelle ( discusión ) 17:55 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Srishti
No se menciona en el objetivo (no ahora, y no cuando se agregó una nota de sombrero ). Mirando Special:PrefixIndex/Srishti , hay un nombre ( Srishti Kaur , Srishti Rana , Srishti Jain ), Srishti (film) , Srishti Manipal Institute of Art, Design and Technology , y las coincidencias parciales de los títulos de Srishti Madurai y Srishtidnyan . Mirando las visitas a la página, no estoy seguro de si el nombre es el tema principal o si no hay un tema principal ; creo que podría depender de si los otros usos se derivan todos del nombre. También ayudaría si tuviera alguna idea de por qué se redirigió a unidades de tiempo hindúes ; le haré ping a Vinay Jha en caso de que lo recuerden. jlwoodwa ( discusión ) 02:11, 9 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
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Japeto
No hay ninguna razón aparente por la que esta ortografía no tenga el mismo tema principal que Iapetus . Me atrevería a redirigir el mensaje, pero ha sido una redirección a la luna durante 18 años con una nota de sombrero; parece que vale la pena discutirlo primero. Mdewman6 ( discusión ) 07:00, 16 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- No hay ninguna razón, por supuesto , redirigir el nombre y eliminar la nota del artículo sobre la luna después. 35.139.154.158 ( discusión ) 09:50 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Retarget por nombre. Double sharp ( discusión ) 11:37 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Sustituido
Incluso con mi sesgo hacia la química, siento que esto es demasiado amplio para redirigirlo a su objetivo actual. Si el uso de la química es realmente primario, probablemente sustituyente sería un mejor objetivo. Redirigir a sustituto , redirigir suavemente a Wikcionario o eliminarlo pueden ser mejores opciones. Mdewman6 ( discusión ) 02:03, 16 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- ¿Hacia dónde se dirige el retarget? Mdewman6 ( discusión ) 03:22 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Β-aminoetilamina
Esta redirección del bot no tiene sentido, reemplaza fenilo por amino. Elimínelo para evitar confusiones. Mdewman6 ( discusión ) 01:38, 16 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar por nombre. El término de redireccionamiento significaría etilendiamina , pero nunca escuché que se usara este término para esa sustancia química. DMacks ( discusión ) 05:06 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Sí, pero supongo que sería simplemente aminoetilamina o α-aminoetilamina, que no se utilizan, mientras que β-aminoetilamina simplemente no tiene sentido. Mdewman6 ( discusión ) 06:08 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- No estoy seguro de cuál es la convención para el alfa en las aminas, si se refiere al carbono con la amina en sí o al carbono siguiente. Basándonos en la β-metilfenetilamina como precedente de denominación, ¿no sería la α-aminoetilamina 1,1-diaminoetano (Etano-1,1-diamina (Q82220114) no parece lo suficientemente notable como para merecer un artículo), mientras que la β-aminoetilamina sería 1,2-diaminoetano (nuestro artículo sobre etilendiamina )? DMacks ( discusión ) 15:00, 16 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Bien, la nomenclatura parece ser diferente. No creo que se justifique volver a utilizar etilendiamina. Mdewman6 ( discusión ) 17:59 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Wikipedia:PCR
¿Qué piensan los editores sobre un redireccionamiento a Wikipedia:Revisión de cambios pendientes ? En mi experiencia, he visto a menudo que se utiliza esta sigla para referirse al grupo de usuarios revisores de cambios pendientes , y absolutamente nunca para esta sección de ensayo. — TechnoSquirrel69 ( suspiro ) 01:02, 16 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Se usa mucho en el espacio principal, pero creo que todo se hace a través de {{ context inline }} . Sería fácil no usar este atajo en esa plantilla. jlwoodwa ( discusión ) 01:31, 16 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Glenn Trumpkin
La nominación para Wikipedia:Redirecciones para discusión/Registro/15 de octubre de 2024 #Rapey McForehead me llevó a examinar las redirecciones pasadas de Jasonbres ( discusión · contribuciones ), que tiene una página de discusión de una milla de advertencias (incluida la redirección inexplicable del personaje de Donald Faison, Christopher Turk en Scrubs a Black Scrubs ) y un bloqueo pasado en su historial, y estos son los más inapropiados y provocativos de todos ellos, es poco probable que se utilicen, y después de que Traumnovelle ( discusión · contribuciones ) les preguntara por qué siquiera imaginarían crear una rd tan provocativa, respondió "Creo que en ese momento, era tendencia en Twitter, y creé una redirección para las personas que querían saber a quién se refería ese nombre", que para los primeros tres, no considero que los temas de tendencia de Twitter posteriores al sumidero sean una fuente de nada, mucho menos material de redireccionamiento. El último es simplemente una tontería, pero los tres primeros son innegables violaciones de WP:BLP , mientras que la referencia a la computadora portátil es solo para personas que están en línea sin parar (en relación con un contrapunto de "marca azul" a esto ). Nate • ( charla ) 00:58, 16 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Glen Trumpkin se utiliza en RS: [2] [3] y, aunque no es un nombre neutral, no creo que sea una violación de la BLP, aunque la falta de visitas sugiere que esta redirección no es útil y no vale la pena la falta de neutralidad. No es como si estos artículos no estuvieran utilizando su nombre completo.
- 'Amy Covid Barnett' es una clara violación del BLP, el único resultado de búsqueda que obtengo es un foro lleno de comentarios ofensivos sobre Barnett.
- Aquí se utiliza 'Leningrad Lindsey': [4] y tiene 53 páginas vistas, por lo que podría ser una redirección no neutral aceptable, aunque el RS identifica claramente su nombre completo.
- Los dos últimos son términos de búsqueda muy poco probables, como lo demuestran sus 6 visitas en el último año.
- Borra todo excepto Leningrad Lindsey, donde soy neutral en cuanto a mantenerlo por ahora. Traumnovelle ( discusión ) 01:12 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Comentario : no creo que el último sea una tontería y, en mi opinión, debería separarse del resto de redirecciones a políticos. Deberíamos discutir las redirecciones en función de sus méritos individuales, no agruparlas en función de suposiciones sobre el creador. "Mthreegan" es un nombre hablado muy común para la película. (Además, el bloqueo fue durante 24 horas en 2008. Dejando de lado las advertencias recientes y las solicitudes de autorización, espero que uno pueda considerar ese evento como algo muy pasado). Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 01:16, 16 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Borra los tres primeros por ser chistes inverosímiles (ni siquiera vale la pena llamarlos juegos de palabras) y por no ser redirecciones de ataque lo suficientemente notables (incluso si hay fuentes, también mencionarán sus nombres reales, por lo que no tiene sentido), el cuarto por "solo encontré comentarios diversos en reddit", y mantén el quinto como una ortografía fonética lo suficientemente plausible. No me sorprendería si los primeros tres también fueran elegibles para g10
- ¿"Pero su computadora portátil" es el equivalente político de "Pero la rata, me robó mis documentos" ? cogsan (me regaña) (me acecha) 12:11 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Borrar todo excepto Leningrad Lindsey y Mthreegan , por Traumnovelle y Utopes. Creador de Trout, espero que esto no sea WP:NEELIX 2.0 Bug Ghost 🦗👻 12:47, 16 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Mantenga a Mthreegan como se indica arriba. Neutral en lo que respecta a los demás. - Presidentman talk · contribs ( Talkback ) 14:00, 16 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar todo . De todos modos, ninguno de ellos parece un término de búsqueda plausible. TeapotsOfDoom ( discusión ) 18:32 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Beta-etilfenetilamina
Esto indica un compuesto diferente al objetivo (uno con un átomo de carbono adicional, etilo en lugar de metilo ), uno para el cual enwiki no parece tener ningún contenido (ver C10H15N , en comparación con el objetivo C9H13N ). Borrar. Mdewman6 ( discusión ) 00:48 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar por nombre. Es una sustancia química diferente, que se conoce pero no parece lo suficientemente notable como para merecer un artículo. DMacks ( discusión ) 05:38 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Raad 1
Cuanto más investigo sobre esta redirección, más confuso me siento. Para empezar, esta redirección anteriormente apuntaba al artículo que se encuentra actualmente en Fajr-3 (cohete de artillería) , y lo hizo durante los últimos seis años. Sin embargo, antes de eso, esta redirección apuntaba al artículo al que apunta actualmente. Sin embargo, para generar un poco más de confusión, existe otro artículo con un título similar, Raad-1 . Es posible que ya haya descubierto un mejor plan para qué hacer con esta redirección si no fuera por sus enlaces entrantes; no tengo claro a qué tema se refieren estos enlaces. Creo que desambiguar es el camino a seguir aquí, pero no tengo muy claro cuál debería ser el título base para una página de desambiguación de este tipo. Steel1943 ( discusión ) 00:41, 16 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
15 de octubre
Centros de educación y formación profesional
La definición de centros de formación y educación vocacional es muy vaga y lo primero que me viene a la cabeza no es China. Dr vulpes (discusión) 04:59 1 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Reorientar a Escuela vocacional . Supongo que los campos de internamiento recibieron un apodo en algún momento, posiblemente como eufemismo para evitar la censura, pero parece que este término de búsqueda debería dirigirse únicamente al objetivo más obvio. Fieari ( discusión ) 06:22 1 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]- Reorientar a la escuela vocacional . Creo que esta descripción se ha utilizado para los campos de Xinjiang, pero ciertamente no solo para ese tema, por lo que el objetivo actual es, en el mejor de los casos, demasiado limitado. — Mx. Granger ( discusión · contribuciones ) 13:48, 1 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Para mí, lo más lógico es reorientar el programa a una escuela vocacional . Dr vulpes (discusión) 22:08 1 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Reorientar a la escuela vocacional según lo mencionado anteriormente -- Lenticel ( discusión ) 02:10 2 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Mantén . El artículo dice claramente, en un fragmento de texto con fuentes, en la primera oración del artículo, "oficialmente llamados centros de educación y formación profesional". El artículo Escuela vocacional no menciona la frase "centro de educación y formación profesional". Si quieres, pon una nota más acertada en el objetivo, pero "lo primero que se me ocurre" no suele ser una buena forma de determinar un WP:PRIMARYTOPIC . Shhhnotsoloud ( discusión ) 10:29 6 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Manténgase al día con Shhhnotsoloud. Es muy probable que alguien que escriba "centros de formación y educación vocacional" en la barra de búsqueda esté buscando la institución china. feminist🩸 ( discusión ) 03:50 8 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Se volvió a publicar para generar una discusión más exhaustiva y un consenso más claro.
Comentario sobre la nueva publicación:¿Reorientar o conservar?
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- Manténgase al día con la nota de sombrero según Shhhnotsoloud y feminista. Si bien el nombre real de estos campamentos es "Centros de educación y capacitación vocacional", lo que significa que probablemente este sea el tema principal, este puede ser un lugar bastante WP:ASTONISHing para terminar si no sabía sobre ellos. Afortunadamente, Wikipedia tiene una herramienta útil para esta situación:
"Centros de educación y capacitación vocacional" redirige aquí. Para la institución que dicen ser estos campamentos, consulte Escuela vocacional .
Tal vez dé una segunda pasada sobre cómo escribir esto realmente. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( discusión ) 02:07 9 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]- Sabes qué... Podría aceptarlo. El nombre me parece sorprendente, pero la nota en el sombrero debería ser suficiente. Cambio mi voto a Mantener con nota en el sombrero . Fieari ( discusión ) 23:30 9 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Se volvió a poner en venta para generar una discusión más exhaustiva y un consenso más claro.
Comentario sobre la nueva publicación:el consenso parece inclinarse por mantenerla.
Agregue nuevos comentarios debajo de este aviso. Gracias, C F A 💬 00:03, 16 de octubre de 2024 (UTC)[ responder ]
- Me opongo a que se mantenga en el objetivo actual. Hay muchos otros temas que utilizan el término y no veo evidencia de que este sea el tema principal para la redirección [5] [6] [7]
- Además, @Lunamann , esa sugerencia de la nota de sombrero es una clara violación del punto de vista de la audiencia. Traumnovelle ( discusión ) 00:08, 16 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Por eso mencioné que podría ser una buena idea tener una segunda versión de cómo escribirlo. A menos que la violación del NPOV se deba simplemente a que tiene la nota en el sombrero en primer lugar, en lugar de la frase "... afirma ser...", en cuyo caso no sé cómo complacerte jajaja 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( discusión ) 13:09 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Wikipedia:CBOT
¿Podría referirse también a cluebot ng o cluebot 3 ? cogsan (me regañan) (me acechan) 22:08, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Manténgalo . Claro, pero los atajos suelen ser ambiguos. Otros editores pueden activar el bot de citas, por lo que tiene sentido que sea un atajo en lugar de Cluebot. -- T avix ( discusión ) 23:11 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Mantener . Por Tavix. Las redirecciones de acceso directo generalmente se deben dejar intactas a menos que haya evidencia real de que causan problemas, especialmente porque se pueden agregar notas para reducir cualquier posible confusión (sobre lo cual agregaré una nota a WP:COSMETICBOT y WP:CONTEXTBOT si esta RfD se cierra como se mantiene y no hay objeciones). Thryduulf ( discusión ) 00:34 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
¿Cómo se llama un egipcio?
No se menciona el fandub alemán en el objetivo. No encontré fuentes confiables para ello, por lo que un borrador no parece una decisión plausible. Originalmente era una producción que no llegó a ninguna parte, por lo que se criticó un año después, presumiblemente por no tener fuentes. cogsan (regáchame) (acechame) 20:31, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar según WP:RLANG . 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( discusión ) 21:51 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Eliminar : La canción no tiene afinidad con el alemán. Volver a la discografía de Die Ärzte como se muestra a continuación (olvidé que existían por un segundo). Schützenpanzer (discusión) 23:19 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- ¿Por qué no redirigir al grupo Die Ärzte ? Se redirigió al artículo como una fusión, pero no sé si realmente se fusionó algo. Traumnovelle ( discusión ) 04:10 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Probablemente no haya suficiente fuente. Tampoco se menciona allí, pero en su discografía cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:02, 16 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Violador McForehead
Lo siento, Dave, me temo que no puedo hacer eso.
Según Wikipedia:Redirecciones_para_discusión/Log/2024_April_19#Lo_siento_Dave . No estoy convencido de que la eliminación haya sido la solución correcta, pero esta redirección debería sufrir la misma suerte. *Pppery* ha comenzado... 18:08, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Fuerte, mantén la calma . Afortunadamente, no estamos obligados a ningún consenso, así que cuando una discusión previa se equivoca, no estamos obligados a repetirla. Esta es una cita muy notable, de hecho es la cita más notable de todo el trabajo. Hay posibles argumentos de que "Lo siento Dave" podría ser ambiguo (no he buscado para ver si lo es en la práctica), pero para toda la cita, cada uno de los resultados en las primeras 8 páginas de Google para I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that -Wikipedia -Wikiquote(ni siquiera la frase exacta) son sobre la película, sobre la línea de la película o hacen referencia (casi siempre explícitamente) a la línea de la película. La gente está usando esta redirección (a veces aparece varias veces al día) y el objetivo es inequívoco, por lo que la eliminación sería perjudicial. Thryduulf ( discusión ) 19:50, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Manténgalo como Thryduulf. Incluso si no se menciona explícitamente en los artículos reales, esta es, como señala Thryduulf, la cita más notable de todo el trabajo, una cita casi sinónimo del personaje de HAL 9000 en sí. Eliminar esta redirección o dirigirla a cualquier otro lugar sería un gran perjuicio para los lectores. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( discusión ) 21:55 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminación severa por parte de Lunamann... de abril, durante la discusión anterior. Lo que estoy leyendo en ESTA discusión, en base a lo que se ha dicho hasta ahora, son afirmaciones sin fundamento de "tener la mayor notoriedad" sin ninguna fuente o evidencia en particular que respalde la afirmación "es la cita más notable de toda la obra". "Sinónimo de todo el personaje en sí", ¡nada menos! Según la información que aparece en nuestras páginas de Wikipedia, Hal 9000 y sus fuentes confiables, no lo es. Hay entre 8 y 10 citas en el objetivo que se mencionan, CON fuentes y suficiente importancia presunta para aparecer en prosa, pero ninguna es esta, y ninguna de ellas tiene redirecciones.
- ¿Es realmente la cita más notable de toda la obra? ¡Realmente excelente! Este contenido podría mejorar la enciclopedia. ¿Debe haber alguna manera de verificar esta afirmación a partir de una fuente confiable? Si tuviera que escribir esto como una cita significativa, para empezar, sin duda querría leer sobre la cita ESPECÍFICAMENTE, porque ese es exactamente el término de búsqueda que escribí, pero ese artículo no existe en este momento. Por lo tanto, nos gustaría alentar a los lectores a agregar material que no tenemos, según WP:REDLINK . Para un artículo independiente, una estructura como ¡ Nuestra princesa está en otro castillo! podría funcionar. Definitivamente lo hemos hecho antes. Pero tal vez este tema de cita se pueda tratar en una página diferente y no tenga que ser independiente si las fuentes no están a la altura. Si tuviera que elegir un personaje para terminar, personalmente querría ir a un artículo sobre "Dave" (porque ese es el nombre que escribí a propósito). No escribí HAL 9000. Si hubiera querido HAL 9000, yo (y cualquiera que quisiera encontrar HAL 9000) habría escrito "HAL 9000", lo cual evito deliberadamente al escribir 9 palabras, ninguna de las cuales contiene "HAL" y ninguna de las cuales contiene "9000". El término de búsqueda es, para todos los tiempos y propósitos, un tema totalmente separado. Una cita. No un personaje. Y no existe nada para ello en Wikipedia, al parecer.
- Si esta cita es tan importante como se afirma aquí, parece que sería un jonrón tener ALGO, en ALGÚN lugar, relacionado con esta cita. Pero, hasta donde yo sé, no lo tenemos, en ningún lado. No lo tuvimos en enero. No lo tuvimos en abril. Y casi un año después, tampoco en octubre. Así que la única conclusión que se puede sacar de la historia, dado que ni siquiera Lunamann quiso salvar esto en abril, es que esta cita no debe valer la pena. (Obviamente, esto no es cierto, porque la cita ES "importante" y probablemente notable, ¡posiblemente incluso alcance notoriedad independiente! Pero Wikipedia no está tratando de "corregir los errores" de una falta de cobertura. Solo podemos informar y redirigir en función del material que está contenido aquí en Wikipedia . No lo que queremos que contenga. Esto es independientemente de si es "importante", pero no se menciona todavía). La forma de indicar que hay un vacío en la cobertura de Wikipedia que debe llenarse es un enlace rojo. Esta redirección no tiene ningún historial valioso. SIEMPRE se puede recrear una vez que alguien sienta que es necesario discutir esta cita potencialmente notable en la enciclopedia en línea más grande. Lo que seguramente sucederá eventualmente, especialmente si la "cita es sinónimo del objetivo en sí". Pero no necesita suceder ahora. Estamos en WP:NORUSH para terminarlo. Y mientras tanto, las personas que buscan una cita y no terminan en material directamente relacionado con su término de búsqueda, seguramente serán engañadas, ya que Wikipedia no es, no funciona como, ni se anuncia como un servicio de "escriba una cita y obtenga el personaje que la dijo sin ninguna mención del término de búsqueda que usó porque no es lo suficientemente 'importante' como para ser cubierto en la página de destino en la que terminó". El contenido del artículo dicta las redirecciones que deberían existir. No al revés. Recree la redirección una vez que se agregue una mención con fuente, en algún lugar de Wikipedia, porque no hay ninguna en este momento... excepto una.
- Alternativamente, redirija a Love and Rocket , donde se analiza la cita y se vincula fácilmente a HAL 9000. Pero supongo que la gente probablemente no querría eso. Bueno. Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 00:29, 16 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Manténgalo . Se hace referencia a él en un artículo de la conferencia Human-Agent Interaction de 2017, "Lo siento, Dave, me temo que no puedo hacer eso: percepción y expectativas de los chatbots"; un artículo de ACMI (museo) , "2001: A Space Odyssey – 'Lo siento, Dave. Me temo que no puedo hacer eso'"; y un artículo de la revista Sound & Vision , "Lo siento, Dave, me temo que no puedo hacer eso". ("Lo siento, Dave" era demasiado ambiguo para sobrevivir. Ese no es el caso aquí). Clarityfiend ( discusión ) 12:42, 16 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Trabajadores
Ley judía tradicional
Error ortográfico poco probable (la ortografía correcta también es una redirección) Naraht ( discusión ) 17:01 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Comentario: es una transposición simple de caracteres adyacentes (an por na), lo cual es una forma muy probable de error tipográfico -- 65.92.246.77 ( discusión ) 17:59 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar Error tipográfico plausible pero no hay suficientes visitas (1 en el último año) para justificar el mantenimiento requerido. Traumnovelle ( discusión ) 20:04 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Borrar , "tradicional" no es difícil de escribir; intercambiar vocales y consonantes cambia la fonética, lo que hace que esta sea inverosímil. Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 00:41 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Como error ortográfico, estoy de acuerdo en que esto es inverosímil. Como error tipográfico, es muy plausible: tanto ny se escriben (al menos en un teclado QWERTY) con la mano derecha, mientras que se escribe con la izquierda; atar una secuencia derecha-izquierda-derecha en lugar de una secuencia derecha-derecha-izquierda es uno de los tipos de error tipográfico más comunes que cometen los mecanógrafos. Thryduulf ( discusión ) 01:07 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]oa
- Eliminar . Sí, es un error tipográfico, no de ortografía, pero hay innumerables variaciones de transposiciones de letras y otros errores similares y simples que también son igualmente probables. No hay ninguna razón en particular por la que este exista. El historial de la página muestra que se creó un día antes que el que tiene la ortografía correcta, por lo que claramente se hizo por accidente. 35.139.154.158 ( discusión ) 10:07 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Vulcano-Hércules
La redirección debe eliminarse a menos que se agregue información sobre Vulkan-Hercules a esa página y se indique su fuente. Como el objetivo de redirección existe hoy en día, se menciona un concepto de diseño futuro ( Vulkan ); pero no se menciona Vulkan-Hercules ni Hercules en ninguna parte del artículo. N2e ( discusión ) 16:29 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Shanker se quedó sin palabras
Originalmente creado como una redirección de spam de BLP para Shanker (ahora un apellido deshabilitado) como se ve aquí: [8]. No sirve como una redirección de spam. Gotitbro ( discusión ) 10:25 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- eliminar: ninguna página de desambiguación contiene a alguien llamado Shanker jadapa Ca ¡háblame!15:23 15 octubre 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Raffaella Aleotti (Q3929201)
Término de búsqueda inverosímil. El ID entre corchetes es el ID de un elemento de Wikidata. - MPGuy2824 ( discusión ) 09:35 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar por nombre. En muchas ocasiones anteriores hemos acordado que este tipo de redirecciones no son útiles. Thryduulf ( discusión ) 11:14 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Borrar solo existe desde julio y siempre ha sido una redirección y hasta donde yo sé el consenso parece ser que tales redirecciones deberían eliminarse pero tal vez la búsqueda debería modificarse para mostrar el artículo cuando se busca un elemento de Wikidata pero tenga en cuenta que un elemento de Wikidata no es estático porque puede cambiar a partir de fusiones o divisiones aunque no se supone que un elemento se reutilice para un tema diferente un tema puede cambiar un elemento de Wikidata. Crouch, Swale ( discusión ) 19:59, 16 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Heavy está muerto
Vídeo popular en las comunidades de TF2, pero no se menciona en el artículo. TeapotsOfDoom ( discusión ) 05:36 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar según WP:RETURNTORED . No hay información presente en el artículo; si alguien tiene información sobre esto, puede crear una página o sección al respecto en algún lugar. Hasta que eso suceda, no necesitamos esta redirección. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( discusión ) 06:09, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- matar por lunamann. no hay prejuicios contra la recreación heavy está muerto aquí cogsan (me regaña) (me acecha) 13:10, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Es muy gracioso cómo esta redirección pensó que era un buen día para no ser eliminada. ¡PUM! Te eliminaron (según Lunamann). mwwv converse ∫ edits 16:40, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Encontraré al eliminador, lo capturaré y no se eliminará ninguna redirección nunca más. cogsan (me regañan) (me acechan) 16:49, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Podcast sobre crímenes reales
¿Crímenes reales o podcasts ? La página de podcasts definitivamente no dice nada sobre crímenes reales. TeapotsOfDoom ( discusión ) 04:20 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Reorientación hacia Crímenes reales#Podcasts BugGhost 🦗👻 06:48, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Cable SHOUTcast
¿Qué tiene esto que ver específicamente con el podcasting en general? Cabe señalar que Shoutcast tiene su propia página. TeapotsOfDoom ( discusión ) 04:11 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar Probablemente esta era una versión muy temprana de una "lista de los 10 mejores" de podcasts y estaciones de radio en línea que ahora son principalmente competencia de Apple y Spotify. No tiene una utilidad real en 2024. Nate • ( charla ) 20:23, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Mongoloides americanos
Esto va a ser muy controvertido si se mantiene (en el objetivo actual). TeapotsOfDoom ( discusión ) 04:05 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Paquete con la versión singular. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( discusión ) 14:20 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
En primer lugar
No creo que sea buena idea una redirección relacionada con el adverbio a una página que trata específicamente sobre el número. TeapotsOfDoom ( discusión ) 04:02 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar No es un término que deba incluirse en un wikilink. Si los lectores quisieran un artículo sobre 1, buscarían uno, no una derivación de él. Tiene pocas visitas a la página, por lo que no apoyo una redirección suave, ya que Wikipedia no es un diccionario . ¡háblame!15:35, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Agrupado en segundo lugar, en tercer lugar. Experto en separación de palabras ( discusión ) 11:55 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Reorientar a Primero (desambiguación) / Segundo (desambiguación) / Tercero (desambiguación) -- respectivamente ; como {{ R de adverbio }} -- 65.92.246.77 ( discusión ) 13:02 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar (todo) . La página de DAB no es apropiada, ya que no hay coincidencias específicas allí. Y, por lo demás, es demasiado vaga como para volver a apuntar a otro sitio. 35.139.154.158 ( discusión ) 19:39, 16 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Una vez (adverbio)
No creo que sea buena idea una redirección relacionada con el adverbio a una página que trata específicamente sobre el número. TeapotsOfDoom ( discusión ) 04:01 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar por el mismo motivo que el anterior . ¡háblame!15:36 15 octubre 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Linjian
El nombre, que es el de una ciudad de la provincia china de Shandong, se está redirigiendo al portavoz del Ministerio de Asuntos Exteriores de la República Popular China con el mismo nombre. O bien debería eliminarse o redirigirse a la página de destino que he indicado. Toadboy123 ( discusión ) 03:47 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Mongoloide americano
Si bien este término se ha utilizado históricamente para describir a los pueblos de las Primeras Naciones, es el equivalente a que la palabra n redirija a las personas de ascendencia africana. Incluso existe una versión en plural de esta redirección. TeapotsOfDoom ( discusión ) 03:46 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Si no tuviéramos un artículo sobre la palabra nigger, probablemente se redirigiría a "Afroamericano" como un nombre histórico y no neutral. De hecho, la edición más antigua que aún se puede consultar lo muestra como una redirección.
- Si debería estar dirigido a los mongoloides es un tema diferente, pero no eliminamos términos históricos porque sean ofensivos. Traumnovelle ( discusión ) 05:04 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Nunca dije que esto debería eliminarse, aunque probablemente debería haber mencionado que Mongoloid sería un mejor objetivo. Es un poco chocante ver que un término no neutral redirija a un grupo étnico entero cuando ya existe un mejor objetivo. TeapotsOfDoom ( discusión ) 05:15 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- @ Traumnovelle Espero sinceramente que no quieras decir lo que dijiste en tu primera oración. Sería una redirección absolutamente absurda, horrible y ridícula y sería un problema de WP:CIR pensar lo contrario. Piensa en las cosas antes de decirlas, especialmente en temas como los insultos raciales. BugGhost 🦗👻 14:46, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Gitano es un insulto y redirige a la gente romaní . Traumnovelle ( discusión ) 19:47 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- La solicitud de decisión para esto ahora está registrada aquí - Wikipedia:Redirecciones para discusión/Registro/16 de octubre de 2024#Gypsy Bug Ghost 🦗👻 12:10, 16 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Manténgalo como por WP:RNEUTRAL . Las redirecciones no necesitan ser neutrales, por dos razones. 1, no son visibles para la mayoría de los lectores a menos que las personas las busquen específicamente, casi nadie comenzará en Pueblos indígenas de las Américas y terminará en Mongoloid americano . 2, si alguien conoce el término no neutral pero no el término neutral, redirigirlo al término neutral lo lleva a la información solicitada, al mismo tiempo que le enseña al lector cuál es el término neutral. Notaré que lapalabra N y el insulto F tienen sus propias páginas con, en la primera oración de ambos , un enlace al grupo al que apunta cada insulto por turno, por lo que posiblemente no sean los mejores ejemplos que podría haber dado. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( discusión ) 06:03 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]- Esto me muestra cómo responder sin presionar actualizar después de tener la página abierta por un período prolongado, jajaja. Cambiar el voto a Retarget a Mongoloid ; aunque notaré que si el retarget falla, apoyo Keeping como una opción de respaldo. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( discusión ) 06:06, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Redirigir a Mongoloid , coincidiendo con User:Lunamann en que este es el mejor objetivo para este término obsoleto. Está publicado en literatura y en WP:Wikipediaisnotcensored , por lo que no debería eliminarse. Nota obligatoria: los pueblos indígenas de las Américas no son un grupo étnico; el término incluye a miles de grupos étnicos. Yuchitown ( discusión ) 16:03 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Indios
¿Se supone que esto es jerga? Ni siquiera veo ningún uso real de la palabra y, al buscarla en Google, la mayoría de los resultados se relacionan con indios reales. TeapotsOfDoom ( discusión ) 03:38 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Comentario: es una ortografía obsoleta. La he visto en algunos documentos y libros antiguos antes. Creo que está más relacionada con los nativos americanos que con los asiáticos del sur, al menos, los usos que he visto parecen estar relacionados con eso -- 65.92.246.77 ( discusión ) 04:05, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Manténgalo y etiquételo como {{ R debido a la ortografía obsoleta }} según la IP. El 100 % de las primeras seis páginas de los resultados de Google Books se relacionan con los nativos americanos. Hay una banda con este nombre que parece ser muy buena en SEO, pero no notable. Thryduulf ( discusión ) 11:20 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Sigue por Thryduulf. -1ctinus📝 🗨 18:58, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Mantén y etiqueta según lo indicado anteriormente. Fieari ( discusión ) 01:21 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Sabiduría india
Probablemente sea una broma, pero definitivamente no es una redirección que valga la pena. TeapotsOfDoom ( discusión ) 03:35 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Pueblo norteamericano
Esta redirección es demasiado vaga como para referirse a los nativos de NA y mucho menos a todos los nativos de NA y SA. TeapotsOfDoom ( discusión ) 03:32 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Contador: globalización global
Esto definitivamente entra en Wikipedia:Redirecciones en idiomas distintos del inglés . ¿Los rusos no podrían simplemente usar la traducción al ruso? TeapotsOfDoom ( discusión ) 03:19 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar por RFOR Traumnovelle ( discusión ) 03:33 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar per nom, Traumnovelle y WP:RFOREIGN . Ya existe un equivalente en la Wikipedia rusa donde la frase "Контрудар: глобальное наступление" se menciona claramente en la primera oración, pero tampoco existe como título en esa Wikipedia, lo que enturbia aún más la verosimilitud de la redirección. Saludos, SONIC 678 06:05, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar : a pesar de que muchos rusos juegan a este juego, no es útil en Wikipedia en inglés, ya que este juego no se creó en Rusia ni tiene vínculos con ese país. JuniperChill ( discusión ) 21:39 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
КСГО
Probablemente cuenta como Wikipedia:Redirecciones en idiomas distintos del inglés TeapotsOfDoom ( discusión ) 03:15 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar videojuego estadounidense que no menciona a Rusia ni al cirílico. Traumnovelle ( discusión ) 03:16 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Aerolíneas KLM Ryl Dtch
Me cuesta ver la utilidad de esta redirección que abrevia ligeramente dos de las tres palabras del nombre completo de la aerolínea. Si el espacio es un bien escaso, seguramente usarías simplemente "KLM" o abreviarías también "Aerolíneas". Esto ahorra solo 3 caracteres. Al buscar "klm Ryl Dtch Airlines" -Wikipediaen Google, aparece exactamente un resultado, "cómo pronunciar", que extrae los títulos de las páginas de Wikipedia. Ha acumulado 77 resultados desde que la herramienta de visualización de páginas actual comenzó a realizar un seguimiento en julio de 2015, lo que (si mis cálculos no me fallan) es un promedio de 0,7 resultados por mes y desde el 1 de enero de 2023 ha acumulado solo 4 resultados. La capitalización es, con mucho, el punto menos importante aquí, pero para cualquier redirección en mayúsculas y minúsculas, esperaría que KLM estuviera completamente en mayúsculas. Por otro lado, esto es antiguo (creado en 2012) e inequívoco. Thryduulf ( discusión ) 02:52 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Comentario Creo que lo saqué de un documento que decía eso, pero lamentablemente no escribí ninguna nota sobre de dónde lo saqué. En algunas redirecciones más nuevas, incluyo URL/documentación para recordar por qué estoy redireccionando algunos términos. WhisperToMe ( discusión ) 03:02, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
"Escabullirse."
Estuve en este título durante aproximadamente un día en 2011 después de un movimiento erróneo desde el espacio de usuario. Según el "precedente" existente de títulos citados que figuran en Usuario:Uanfala/Redirecciones con comillas , ninguno parece contener puntuación innecesariamente. "Innecesario" parece ser el caso aquí, ya que la canción se llama simplemente Steal Away sin otras modificaciones. También sería ambiguo con Steal Away y los otros 5 artículos con este título (sorprendentemente, todavía no existe una desambiguación, solo una enorme nota de sombrero en Steal Away que enumera literalmente todo, supongo, jajaja. Haré una ahora mismo en Steal Away (desambiguación) ). Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 02:21, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar por WP:AFFINITY ya que el logotipo no usa el formato y podría usarse de todos modos para cualquiera de los otros usos (por lo que debería ir al nombre base, el espiritual si se mantiene) pero como se señaló, no debería existir de todos modos. Crouch, Swale ( discusión ) 20:01 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
¿No soy un apestoso? (paquete restante)
"Stinker" no aparece en el artículo de destino de Bugs Bunny . Sin embargo, se menciona en The Abbott and Costello Show y en varios otros artículos, incluidos List of Saturday TV Funhouse segments y WikiQuote en q:Hare Force. Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 01:50, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Comentario : Siento que más gente conoce esta frase de Bugs Bunny que de Abbot y Costello. Es un término de búsqueda plausible, pero no estoy seguro de si deberíamos profundizar y determinar realmente si hay un WP:PTOPIC o si deberíamos desambiguar. No creo que la eliminación sea una buena idea debido a la plausibilidad de que alguien busque esta frase tan famosa. Si se encuentra un PTOPIC, puede ser apropiado hacer una nota. Fieari ( discusión ) 02:14, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Bueno, se reduciría a "¿dónde recibirán los lectores la información más pertinente a su término de búsqueda y dónde se responderán sus preguntas?", y ese no es el caso de Bugs Bunny, que no tiene ninguna mención. Sin embargo, la frase "Ain't I a stinker" tiene como 6 menciones en Wikipedia, todas las cuales posiblemente sean válidas y podrían atraer al objetivo, pero los detalles finos se pueden determinar a través de esta RfD. Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 02:22, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Esta frase no es relevante en la página de la serie de televisión Abbott y Costello, porque nunca se usó en la serie. Un mejor lugar podría ser en la página del programa de radio A&C o en la página de biografía de Abbott y Costello. Creo que es una frase menor que no se asoció fácilmente con el equipo. Plummer ( discusión )
"¿No soy un apestoso?"
RfD anteriores para esta redirección y redirecciones similares:
Ninguna otra página de la Categoría:Redirecciones desde frases clave está entrecomillada. La palabra "stinker" no aparece en la página de destino. Alguien que utiliza este término, CON las comillas, claramente está buscando algo específico para la frase. Si alguien quisiera leer sobre Bugs Bunny, puede buscar " Bugs Bunny ". Pero, al especificar las comillas, estamos tratando con una situación en la que la cita y el material relacionado son ESPECÍFICAMENTE deseados, y eso no es lo que los lectores obtendrán cuando escriban esto. Además, encapsular un término de búsqueda entre comillas es altamente desaconsejable en el sentido general para todas las redirecciones, y existe una pequeña fracción de tales títulos. Al buscar una coincidencia de texto exacta a través de la barra de búsqueda de Wikipedia, se pueden usar comillas para ver "con qué frecuencia aparece una frase en Wikipedia en su forma exacta". Las comillas en este título inhiben activamente eso, ya que "ain't I a stinker" es presumiblemente una frase que puede (y lo hace) manifestarse en todo tipo de formas en Wikipedia. Por lo tanto, esto debería eliminarse para facilitar la navegación. Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 01:48, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Diamanteina
Supuestamente es un nombre coloquial para el compuesto según Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals/Archive_2007#Diamondina , pero no hay evidencia como tal en Google o Chemical Abstracts Service o PubChem . El artículo estuvo originalmente bajo este nombre por poco más de un día en 2007. Normalmente es un {{ R from move }} típico que debería mantenerse de alguna manera, pero si no hay absolutamente ninguna relación discernible con nada en enwiki, podría simplemente llevar a confusión. Mdewman6 ( discusión ) 01:18, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Cuando el horizonte está abajo, es interesante. Cuando el horizonte está arriba, es interesante. Cuando el horizonte está en el medio, ¡es aburrido como la mierda!
Se trata de una cita de Ford a Sammy, supuestamente. Sin embargo, es un término de búsqueda poco probable y no es particularmente útil como redirección, entre los millones de citas que existen, y solo aparece dentro de un extracto de referencia. Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 01:13, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
No hay fiesta como una fiesta de Diddy
No aparece en la lista de destino. Si se conserva, también tengo curiosidad por redirigir a las acusaciones de mala conducta sexual de Sean Combs , dado que la cita está relacionada con los medios populares. Significa liberdade (she/her) ( discusión ) 01:00, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Es hora de un duelo
No se menciona la "dd" en el artículo de destino. Según los RCAT, aparentemente se trata de una cita relacionada con un meme, pero no aparece en ningún lugar del artículo tal como está escrita. Las personas que busquen Yu-Gi-Oh! pueden llegar al tema escribiendo Yugioh . Poner guiones entre todas las d, solo para llegar a un tema de meme no discutido, no parece particularmente útil ni provechoso aquí. Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 00:59, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Keep - Demostrablemente útil, proporciona un recuento de uso diario constante en la página de estadísticas, solo en el último mes. Objetivo inequívoco. WP:CHEAP . No interrumpas el flujo de trabajo de las personas solo por el bien del orden. Fieari ( discusión ) 02:15, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- ¿A quién exactamente le resulta útil? Personalmente, busco un meme esperando información sobre él. El 90 % de las personas familiarizadas con el meme saben que es de Yu-Gi-Oh (o al menos eso parece a partir de [9], donde se habla de él en KnowYourMeme). Como mínimo, los lectores esperan leer sobre lo que buscaron. Así que los lectores llegan aquí pensando: "¡Ah, entonces el meme se habla en esta página, genial!". Uno pasa los siguientes 50 mil bytes buscando y buscando y no, no hay contexto, no hay beneficio. No necesitamos una redirección para "es hora de batirse a duelo" si todo lo que va a implicar es "este término es sinónimo de todo el concepto del artículo de tema general de Yu-Gi-Oh!, sin ninguna sección específica o ancla implícita".
- Los memes son novedosos. No me sorprende que la gente QUIERA aprender sobre ellos aquí, pero aún así no es útil como una redirección uno a uno, ya que actualmente deja a la gente perdida en una página sin ninguna información para su término de búsqueda de memes y sin mención de "meme" en Yu-Gi-Oh . Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 03:17, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Redirigido a Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters . Esto no es simplemente un meme: es una cita directa de la secuencia de apertura original del doblaje en inglés de este anime específico, y la mayoría de las memeificaciones de esta cita simplemente extienden la parte tartamudeante "dddddd", o juegan con ella y con los personajes del anime de Yu-Gi-Oh en general. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( discusión ) 06:17 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Entonces, es un meme. Conozco bien la secuencia de Yu-Gi-Oh en cuestión, y el meme asociado y sus derivaciones. Claramente no es una "cita directa", de lo contrario, este texto (guiones y todo) aparecería en la transcripción del episodio aquí: [10]. De todos modos, gracias por sugerir una opción más relacionada. Pero sigue siendo un meme no mencionado. ¿Cómo tiene esto alguna relación con la probabilidad de escribir ad, seguido de un guion, seguido de ad, seguido de un guion, seguido de ad, seguido de un guion, seguido de ad, seguido de un guion, seguido de ad, seguido de "uel"? ¿Y todo para terminar en un artículo de la serie donde no se menciona el meme que se busca, ni ninguna de las grafías de los memes? Incluso en el anime y el video al que te vinculaste, tartamudean como 9 veces, por lo que incluso ese aspecto no es preciso dentro de esta redirección, y nada de Es hora de batirse a duelo, Es hora de d-batir, Es hora de dd-batir, Es hora de ddd-batir, Es hora de dddd-batir (se nombra), Es hora de ddddd-batir, Es hora de dddddd-batir, Es hora de ddddddd-batir, Es hora de dddddddd-batir, Es hora de ddddddddd-batir existe, o Es hora de dduel, Es hora de dddduel, Es hora de dddduel, o Es hora de ddddduel para el caso. Los precedentes pasados han indicado que los guiones aleatorios insertados en las palabras no son útiles, ofuscan los términos que realmente se dicen y hacen que las búsquedas sean poco prácticas. Y al menos en el caso de estas discusiones precedentes, se trataba de citas que aparecían en el objetivo, si mal no recuerdo (en un estado natural/sin modificar, creo). La cita dice oficialmente "es hora de batirse a duelo". Cualquier cosa que vaya más allá de eso, la convierte en un meme/versión de meme. Alguien que se compromete con la combinación de 5 ds/4 guiones está escribiendo deliberadamente un meme en el motor de búsqueda, por lo que, si se mantiene, el contenido debería reflejarlo. Ni la versión real ni ninguna de las variaciones de meme están cubiertas en el nuevo objetivo sugerido, y Wikipedia no es una colección de memes. Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 16:34, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Comentario : ¡Es hora de du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-duelo! , por cierto. Experto en separación de sílabas ( charla ) 19:17, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ respuesta ]
- Gracias por encontrar estos guiones, experto en separación de palabras; en mi opinión, definitivamente te has ganado el título de "experto en separación de palabras" por esto 😌 jajaja.
- En el caso de esa redirección, el título se traba 8 veces, lo que resulta tener un poco más de base en la realidad, en comparación con esta, que se traba 4 veces. (Nota al margen: el resumen de la edición de esa redirección es... ciertamente interesante...). Sin embargo, dudo en agruparlas, ya que la redirección que encontraste aquí al menos suena un poco más cercana a lo que ocurre en la secuencia de Yu-Gi-Oh, con la cantidad ~correcta de 8 o 9 ds, por lo que es un poco más plausible. Puede que haya un caso para eliminarlo (no existen otros du-du-dus), pero creo que el alcance más pequeño y solo una redirección aquí está bien por ahora. Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 19:46, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
33-4
Esto parece demasiado amplio para ser útil. Significa libertad (ella/su) ( discusión ) 00:57 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
La ironía de que la nominación de eliminación añada 334 bytes ... Uhm... Sí. Ya sabes... No sé por qué... [1] ABG ( Discusión/Reportar cualquier error aquí ) 01:10 15 oct 2024 (UTC) ABG ( Discusión/Reportar cualquier error aquí ) 01:10 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Referencias
- ^ https://ja.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=33-4&redirect=no
- Pregunta : ¿Es esta puntuación particularmente notable en el béisbol? Sé que el Scorigami existe en el fútbol, pero no tanto en otros deportes porque es más trivial anotar un número en particular... pero, por otro lado, 33 suena particularmente alto para un juego de béisbol en mi opinión. Diablos, el whiffleball de patio trasero tiene una regla de misericordia de 10 carreras. Así que podría ver esto como plausible... pero no conozco el béisbol lo suficientemente bien como para estar seguro. Fieari ( discusión ) 02:25, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- En Estados Unidos, casi nadie lo reconoce.
- En la cultura de Internet japonesa/Japón mismo: Sí fuerte
- (Aviso legal: el resultado "33-4" se dio en los 4 partidos diferentes, no en un solo partido). Jawiki tiene una cobertura clara y buena del meme de Internet asociado con la serie, pero nadie en enwiki hasta ahora reconoce este tipo de cosas. ABG ( Discusión/Reportar errores aquí ) 02:41 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Comentario/Lean Keep - No estoy del todo seguro de si la Wikipedia en inglés debería tener redirecciones basadas en memes en idiomas extranjeros, pero esto puede valer la pena... Me inclino por mantenerlo por el momento. Como referencia, la fuente utilizada por la Wikipedia en japonés para respaldar la afirmación de que 33-4 se ha convertido en un meme de Internet es: [11]. Parece ser una fuente confiable según nuestros propios estándares. Fieari ( discusión ) 07:43 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Nunca confíes en un camarero con mala gramática
No se menciona "camarero" ni "gramática" en el artículo de destino. Las personas que utilicen este término de búsqueda serán enviadas al artículo en cuestión sin contexto sobre qué significa esta línea o de qué procede. (El resumen de la edición dice que es de Star Wars Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast , pero incluso en ese artículo no se menciona "gramática", aunque se menciona a un camarero una vez en el reparto). Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 00:57 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminación muy débil : término de búsqueda totalmente inverosímil según las tendencias de Google. Nuestra página de estadísticas internas muestra 5 resultados el año pasado y 45 en los últimos 4 años, lo que reduce mi preferencia de eliminación a una eliminación débil... tiene ALGUNOS usos. Si se conserva, probablemente debería reorientarse a Star Wars Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast , que según me informa Google es la FUENTE REAL de la cita. Fieari ( discusión ) 01:34 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- eliminar . no en el lado notable de los chistes de una sola línea, incluso del perforador de dragones kell residente y máquina de chistes de una sola línea kyle katarn cogsan (me regaña) (me acecha) 20:42, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
¿Cuántos de nosotros los tenemos?
La frase redirecciona a la canción Whodini como letra clave. La frase se indica en el artículo donde indica que Bone Thugs-n-Harmony sampleó la canción en su canción "Friends", que aparentemente ha sido retitulada "How Many of Us Have Them" en algún lanzamiento (según la página. Esa canción está en el álbum The Art of War (álbum de Bone Thugs-n-Harmony) . Además, "¿cuántos de nosotros los tenemos?" es un poema de Danez Smith . Significa liberdade (she/her) ( discusión ) 00:55, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Hice esto después de una búsqueda, elimínelo si es malo GeorgeMemulous ( discusión ) 01:32, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Weak Keep - La redirección realizada recientemente no causará problemas ni interrupciones en ningún lugar con enlaces rotos si se elimina, pero parece ser útil para alguien (arriba), y no tengo objeción a las redirecciones de letras notables como ayuda de búsqueda, incluso cuando esas letras no aparecen en el artículo. Sería bueno dejar la redirección así por un tiempo para ver si comienza a recolectar visitas regulares y constantes. Se aplica WP:CHEAP . Fieari ( discusión ) 01:38, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar , no es un buen objetivo, por lo que es mejor dejar que los lectores averigüen qué quieren para sí mismos en esta situación, dado que la letra no recibe ninguna cobertura en ninguna de las páginas enumeradas. Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 02:07, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Cacao
Por WP:RFOR
También nominando a Kahakos , Kahakō , Tohutō y Pōtae . Traumnovelle ( discusión ) 00:54, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ respuesta ]
Los verdaderos G se mueven en silencio como lasaña
Esta es la letra número 29 del segundo verso. Y "lasaña" no se menciona en el artículo de destino. No parece ser necesario tener esto como redirección cuando la forma natural de llegar al título de un artículo enciclopédico es escribiendo el título de un artículo enciclopédico, porque para la mayoría de los lectores habituales, no hay forma de saber qué letra tiene y qué no tiene una redirección existente, por lo que la jugada más segura el 100% del tiempo es identificar el título de la canción y proceder en función de eso, no navegar a través de una línea en particular para una canción en particular, una hazaña que es imposible para esencialmente todos los demás artículos de canciones en Wikipedia (ya que no conozco muchas redirecciones de la línea 2 del verso 2 que existan hacia canciones). Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 00:26, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar el término de búsqueda de Wikipedia que no es plausible, como lo demuestran las pocas visitas a la página. Traumnovelle ( discusión ) 00:57 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminación débil : personalmente, considero que elegir una línea al azar de la mitad de una canción es poco plausible como término de búsqueda, pero ha obtenido 18 resultados en el último año, por lo que se le da algún uso (de ahí su voto débil). Aún no se le da mucho uso. Fieari ( discusión ) 02:18, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Billy salvaje
Joe Tractorman
No se habla de un "Joe Tractorman" en el artículo de destino, incluso si quisiera cambiar su nombre y volar, supuestamente... Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 00:12 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Agregué esta redirección para ser tonto. Si quieres eliminarla, no dudes en hacerlo, pero no tienes que hacerlo. lol - TenorTwelve ( discusión ) 06:18 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- eliminar . no está a la altura de damien maymdien en la lista de personajes de bill wurtz con los que he visto a gente que quiere acostarse. quiero decir, ¿qué? cogsan (me regaña) (me acecha) 13:17, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Borra esto , no tiene sentido ni ayuda. -1ctinus📝 🗨 19:00, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
El sol es un láser mortal.
Sin utopos ( discusión / cont .) 00:09, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ respuesta ]
¡Ya no, hay una manta! Parece una de esas redirecciones graciosas. Cualquiera que conozca este meme suele saber sobre Bill Wurtz, así que... ¿término de búsqueda improbable? ABG ( Discusión/Reportar errores aquí ) 01:04 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]Reorientar a la capa de ozono Refinar a Bill Wurtz#Historia del mundo entero, supongo , que es la sección que detalla el video del que proviene esta cita. Cualquiera que busque información sobre este meme haría bien en que se le indicara la parte del artículo de Bill Wurtz que habla sobre el origen del meme. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( discusión ) 06:23 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]Vamos a la tierra . Refinación de soporte. La frase se menciona brevemente en RSes (ver [12]), por lo que al menos es una frase algo útil. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 ( discusión | contribuciones ) 08:31 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
pero tienes que volver al agua para tener bebés Refinar por Lunamann. Probablemente también debería etiquetar con {{ R from meme }} . mwwv converse ∫ edits 11:33, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
aprende a usar un huevo refinado por lunamann, veré si se puede agregar una mención (aunque no tengo mucha fe en eso) cogsan (me regaña) (me acecha) 13:19, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Refinar según Lunamann. Incluso sin una mención directa, esto le proporcionará al usuario la información que está buscando ("¿De qué era esta cita?"). No estoy de acuerdo con que sea improbable que alguien recuerde la cita y no sepa el nombre del hombre que hizo los videos, o el nombre del video; así no funciona la memoria humana. Fieari ( discusión ) 01:16 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Cuarzoso
Siento que esto debería apuntar al cuarzo como {{ R del adjetivo }} a menos que haya una buena razón geológica para apuntar al artículo más amplio sobre el dióxido de silicio . Mdewman6 ( discusión ) 00:01, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- De acuerdo, cuarzosa simplemente significa que contiene cuarzo o que es rico en cuarzo. Mikenorton ( discusión ) 14:02 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
14 de octubre
Obrero
No está claro si este es el mejor objetivo. Esta redirección ha apuntado a la página Trabajador , Clase trabajadora , Fuerza laboral y Trabajador (desambiguación) . Natg 19 ( discusión ) 23:57 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- @ Fgnievinski y Pppery : quienes han estado involucrados en esta redirección recientemente. Natg 19 ( discusión ) 23:58 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Mueva Worker (desambiguación) a Worker sobre la redirección. Debería haber un tema principal aquí, pero hemos elegido estructurar el artículo de tal manera que ese concepto se cubra en varios artículos en lugar de uno, por lo que la página de desambiguación es la solución menos mala. * Pppery * ha comenzado... 00:04, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Borrador: Cimexa
WP:XNR confuso del espacio de borradores. No hay ninguna página Cimexa o User:Cimexa y no hay evidencia de que alguna vez haya contenido relacionado con el objetivo actual. Eliminar a menos que haya una explicación. Mdewman6 ( discusión ) 23:44 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Comentario es la marca de un polvo de sílice -- 65.92.246.77 ( discusión ) 04:33 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar como producto que no está en el objetivo, WP:REDLINK para permitir la creación de un nuevo borrador de artículo si alguien quiere escribir sobre la marca -- 65.92.246.77 ( discusión ) 04:33, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Cara de pizza
Actualmente no se menciona en el objetivo y el tema principal está completamente usurpado por un personaje de la torre de pizza con el mismo nombre (bien por él :3) . Estaba a punto de volver a apuntar allí y dar por terminado el día, pero según wikt:pizza face, podría haber otros posibles objetivos. ¿Opiniones? cogsan (regámeme) (acechame) 19:30, 7 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Se volvió a publicar para generar una discusión más exhaustiva y un consenso más claro.
Agregue nuevos comentarios debajo de este aviso. Gracias, ✗ plicit 23:43, 14 de octubre de 2024 (UTC)[ responder ]
AN/ALQ-128
El tema de esta redirección, el AN/ALQ-128, apenas se menciona en la página de destino sobre un avión, el McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle . El destino es una subsección que enumera múltiples especificaciones para el avión. El lector debe buscar muy a fondo para encontrar el ALQ-128 mencionado. Esta redirección no tiene ningún propósito real y debería eliminarse. — TadgStirkland 401 (Tadg Talk ) 21:26, 14 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Borrar. Parece que se trata de un módulo instalado en el F-15, pero presumiblemente también lo está en otros aviones militares estadounidenses. Borrar para permitir la creación de artículos sobre este módulo EW, si es importante. Natg 19 ( discusión ) 02:07 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- En realidad, parece que este era un artículo hasta 2022, cuando fue nominado como PROD, pero luego fue desproducido y redirigido a su objetivo actual. Tal vez deberíamos anular el BLAR original y enviarlo a AFD. Natg 19 ( discusión ) 02:10 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- eliminar . no es que sea un experto en artilugios militares, pero la segunda y tercera fuentes en la diferencia previa a Blar no parecen tan confiables , significativas , no generadas por el usuario, no obsoletas por raspado y plagio ... honestamente, tampoco estoy poniendo demasiada fe en la primera (que actualmente está inactiva, ya que el archivo de Internet también está inactivo), ya que la redacción allí implica que se trata más del AN/ALR-56. Encontré un artículo aparentemente confiable que lo menciona, pero es de pasada, ni siquiera sobre el F-15, y parece que solo lo menciona por accidente (mezclándolo con el AN/ALQ-218, probablemente) cogsan (regáchame) (acechame) 16:46, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Yo soy..., ¡Escúchame rugir!
No se menciona ningún punto suspensivo "..." antes de "escúchame rugir". El único uso de "escúchame rugir" está precedido por "soy mujer", no por nada ni puntos suspensivos. Esta no es la forma en que se buscaría esta canción. El único uso de una palabra de reemplazo es "Hombre", de Burger King. En cualquier caso, es poco probable. Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 21:20 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- - TadgStirkland 401 (Tadg Talk ) 01:10, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ respuesta ]
Ting ting tang tang tang
Esta no es la letra de la canción. Este nombre incorrecto no aparece, no se menciona ni se destaca en ninguna parte del artículo. La palabra "ting" o "tang" no aparece en ninguna parte aquí, por lo que, en ausencia de contexto, la redirección es confusa, especialmente para "sonidos onomatopéyicos" generales como tings y tangs. Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 21:16 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
¿Quién es el líder del club que está hecho para ti y para mí?
Esta línea no se encuentra en el artículo de destino. Las personas que utilicen este término en lugar de buscar "Marcha de Mickey Mouse", no recibirán contenido relacionado con su término de búsqueda. Actualmente es imposible verificar si esta línea es de hecho de esta canción (basándonos en la falta de material en el espacio principal de Wikipedia aquí), por lo que, en ausencia de cualquier contenido o material relacionado con el "líder del club", esta redirección no es útil. Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 21:13 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Comentario .
La forma natural de buscar canciones es escribiendo el nombre de la canción.
No existe una única forma "natural" de buscar algo (por eso existen las redirecciones), sino que hay muchas formas en las que la gente busca cosas que existen en un espectro de plausibilidad y utilidad como una redirección (las dos no siempre se alinean, por ejemplo, cuando los términos de búsqueda plausibles no tienen un tema principal). En el caso de las canciones, las letras destacadas son una forma muy natural de buscar una canción cuando no recuerdas el título, y en la mayoría de los casos, alguien que busca en Wikipedia por la letra está buscando información sobre la canción, no necesariamente sobre esa letra específica, por lo que no ser mencionado no es una razón en sí misma para eliminar dicha redirección. Cuando una letra está incluida en varias canciones notables, de forma muy destacada en una y nada destacada en la otra, entonces aquella en la que es destacada casi con certeza será el objetivo principal. Thryduulf ( discusión ) 21:15, 14 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]- Las páginas de Wikipedia se rigen por los títulos de los artículos. Wikipedia no es una sección de preguntas frecuentes, ni de preguntas y respuestas, ni de una base de datos de letras de canciones, ni de un servicio en el que se escriba una línea de una canción y se obtenga la canción de la que procede. Tenemos algunas letras que están incorporadas como redirecciones. A veces se debe a que la gente puede confundir un título y su letra destacada (véase: The Longest Time vs For The Longest Time . La última redirección no es el título, es una letra, pero los dos son prácticamente lo mismo, por lo que es casi intercambiable y se utiliza con mucha frecuencia en las fuentes. En mi opinión, es igualmente probable que se busquen). Pero en la práctica, las probabilidades de escribir cualquier letra vieja en la barra de búsqueda de Wikipedia y terminar en la canción de la que proviene se sitúan en un muy cómodo ~0% de probabilidad de que ocurra. Esto se debe a que existen permutaciones casi infinitas de letras, millones de canciones con miles y miles de artículos de canciones en Wikipedia, por lo que simplemente no sucede en la práctica. Sin embargo, según WP:Article titles , la mejor manera de llegar a un artículo es escribir el título del artículo. Con él, uno no puede equivocarse. ¿Y si algo saliera mal? El motor de búsqueda integrado captura todas las menciones de palabras clave en caso de que alguien no sepa el nombre de la canción (pero hay servicios para encontrarla específicamente), por lo que con suficiente ensayo y error, seguramente llegará a donde quiere ir. ¿Qué no ocurre en Wikipedia? Las millones de bases de datos de letras de canciones para los millones de canciones que existen. Este no es el propósito de Wikipedia; este es el propósito de Genius y Lyricfinder. Creamos redirecciones para términos de búsqueda probables con contenido asociado directamente. Hay billones de términos de búsqueda probables por ahí. No tenemos billones de redirecciones; Mantenemos y mantenemos las redirecciones que se rigen directamente por la información que aparece realmente en la página, con el fin de educar a los lectores sobre el material directamente pertinente al término que buscaron, sin tener que hacer conjeturas sobre el propósito, es decir, si están bien con no obtener el material que buscaron deliberadamente (es probable que no, tales redirecciones no mencionadas a menudo se describen con justicia como "engañosas" e "inútiles"). Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 23:48, 14 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Keep - No me parece inverosímil que alguien busque la primera línea de esta canción. Es útil. No encuentro convincente el argumento de Utopes anterior. Claro, Wikipedia NO es una base de datos de letras, pero es por eso que no tenemos la letra completa en el artículo . Toda la lista de cosas que no somos tiene que ver con el contenido del artículo , no con los métodos de búsqueda para llegar a un artículo. Francamente, encuentro que la aplicación de los estándares de contenido de artículos a las redirecciones es completamente inapropiada. Las únicas preguntas que deberíamos hacernos son "¿es plausible?", "¿el objetivo es inequívoco?" y "¿el resultado es útil? (¿viola WP:ASTONISH ?)". Esto supera todas esas preguntas, y ese es el criterio por el que yo voto por keep, básicamente cada vez. No creo que sea el único en mi interpretación de nuestra política de esta manera. Fieari ( discusión ) 01:25, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Estoy totalmente de acuerdo en que la gente puede recordar las primeras líneas de las canciones. Después de todo, esa es la primera impresión que la gente tiene de una canción. Yo hago lo mismo, especialmente si una letra es particularmente memorable (un factor que es completamente subjetivo; personalmente nunca crearía una redirección de letra para mi propia letra favorita personal solo por ese hecho). Pero si no sé el nombre de una canción, no me imaginaría ir a Wikipedia como mi primera solución para eso, y no puedo imaginar a una sola persona que lo haría. Pero moviendo tu tema principal, espero que seas consciente de que las redirecciones siguen siendo páginas que están en el espacio principal , y que TODO el espacio principal se rige por el estándar de lo que Wikipedia es y no es. Entonces eso incluye las redirecciones, que pueden muy bien violar WP:NOT , abarcando efectivamente millones de páginas. Corrígeme si me equivoco, pero pareces estar sugiriendo que Wikipedia debería tener redirecciones para cada primera letra de cada canción, y pareces apoyar la creación y el mantenimiento/!mantenimiento de redirecciones para cada una sin excepción. Así que una base de datos de las primeras letras. Tal vez incluso de las segundas letras. En el espacio principal. Con historias que abarcan millones de páginas. Ni siquiera sé por dónde empezar a desmenuzar esto. En todos los frentes, por cada letra no citada creada como redirección en el espacio principal, esto es una violación de WP:V .
- Basado en WP:NOTDB , la página de política que dice que Wikipedia no debería alojar información inexplicable e indiscriminada. Millones de letras incrustadas en redirecciones son exactamente eso. WP:NOT se aplica a las redirecciones . La forma de aliviar este problema perenne de material no mencionado/sin contexto es, al menos, verificar la información contenida en las redirecciones , EN ALGÚN lugar, en una ubicación accesible (como el destino, por ejemplo), y SIEMPRE verificarla si el material es cuestionado o si es una cita directa. Las redirecciones están absolutamente sujetas a la política de verificabilidad , a menos que no esté de acuerdo con que "todo el material del espacio principal debe ser verificable" y "las redirecciones son material en el espacio principal". No hay otra forma de saber si la letra de una redirección es correcta o no. Tiene que haber un estándar, y lo hay , ya que casi todas las letras no mencionadas se han eliminado (y solo recientemente han sido cuestionadas según mi propia experiencia). La opinión de VAST sobre las redirecciones no mencionadas es que las redirecciones a artículos sin mención son problemáticas, por lo que los títulos CAT:RAW se nominan una y otra vez en RfD para despejar la acumulación de títulos desatendidos que nadie quiere resolver. Porque al final del día, las redirecciones no deberían dar forma al contenido existente; el contenido debería dar forma a las redirecciones existentes. No hay daño en la eliminación; las páginas SIEMPRE se pueden volver a crear una vez que se realiza la verificación. (Es por esa razón que RfD debería ser la apuesta más baja de XfD ya que, por lo general, no se pierde ningún historial valioso. Pero da igual). Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 03:56, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminación débil . Por una vez, creo que esto es algo que se podría recordar y buscar razonablemente en lugar del nombre de la canción en sí. Sin embargo, el problema es que no está claro si alguien estaría buscando la canción o el programa en el que se usó la canción (creo que lo último es más probable). Y sin un objetivo claro, no deberíamos adivinar cuál de los dos posibles objetivos era el objetivo. La desambiguación es claramente inapropiada aquí, por lo que nos queda con una eliminación. 35.139.154.158 ( discusión ) 02:41, 16 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Y Utopes, aunque creo que este no es el mejor caso de prueba, lo que tienes aquí es oro puro. Por el amor de Dios, por favor, organízalo todo en un ensayo. 35.139.154.158 ( discusión ) 02:42 16 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Trabajabas como camarera en un bar de cócteles.
No se menciona ningún "bar de cócteles" en el artículo de destino. No se menciona ninguna "camarera" en el artículo de destino. Esta es una letra aparentemente sin importancia, y las personas que buscan esto en lugar del título natural " Don't You Want Me " de la canción, probablemente estén buscando material directamente relacionado con su término de búsqueda, que no existe aquí. No existe ninguna verificación para las personas que no saben si terminaron en el lugar correcto. Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 21:10 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Conservar (ver más arriba sobre las formas "naturales" de búsqueda). Esta es la primera línea de la canción, que (junto con la primera línea del estribillo) casi siempre será un término de búsqueda plausible para aquellos que no recuerdan el título de la canción. En este caso, la letra es inequívoca y no tiene un significado profundo que no se pueda deducir de la lectura de la sección del artículo sobre la canción en su conjunto, por lo que las personas que usan este término de búsqueda encuentran lo que quieren encontrar. Thryduulf ( discusión ) 21:20 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- No creo que exista un precedente de redirigir toda la primera línea de libros, películas, canciones o cualquier obra creativa a la obra en cuestión (bajo la premisa de que sea solo la primera línea). Puede suceder al azar, pero de manera inapropiada sin que algo en particular sea cierto en ese caso. Cuando sucede, generalmente hay más detrás y/o se trata de un caso especial con una cobertura especial. El precedente surge si la línea en cuestión es particularmente notable como para obtener contenido fuente. ¿Quizás se haya reutilizado varias veces en obras posteriores o sea una "cita icónica" sobre la que la gente querría leer? Esa no parece ser la situación aquí.
- En cualquier caso, estoy cuestionando este material en el espacio principal. Este material tiene que ser citado de ALGÚN lugar, pero ¿de dónde? Los lectores se quedan sin contexto, ni ninguna evidencia de que esta línea sea correcta, y mucho menos relacionada de alguna manera con la canción (es decir, confianza ciega en la corrección de la redirección sin fuente, y hemos visto que no siempre se puede confiar en las redirecciones al pie de la letra por su precisión fáctica innata ). Si esta línea se mencionara en algún lugar del artículo de destino, eso aliviaría todas las preocupaciones. Pero no creo que esta línea en particular en esta canción en particular sea lo suficientemente relevante ni siquiera para eso. Si hay evidencia de que "Don't You Want Me" tiene alguna conexión con la primera línea de la canción, más de lo que cualquier canción con letra también tiene una "primera línea", entonces podría valer la pena incluirla, pero eso es algo que RfD debe descubrir. Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 23:32, 14 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Keep - Las primeras líneas de las CANCIONES, a diferencia de otras obras artísticas, se utilizan con frecuencia como títulos y es muy plausible que alguien conozca la primera línea de una canción pero no el título real (ver: Tubthumping , concedido que es un caso en el que tan pocas personas conocen el título frente a la letra que ameritaba una discusión en el artículo, pero aún así ilustra el punto general de que esto sucede). No estoy de acuerdo en que sería WP:ASTONISHing que un usuario encuentre el artículo sobre la canción al escribir la letra, incluso sin una discusión de la letra específica en cuestión. Esta es una ayuda de búsqueda útil, no una declaración de que estamos hablando específicamente de la letra. No somos una base de datos de letras, pero podemos ayudar a señalar a las personas el artículo que probablemente tenían la intención de encontrar en la forma en que muchas personas buscan canciones. Fieari ( discusión ) 02:10, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Por suerte, "I get knocked down" SÍ se menciona, CON una fuente, en Tubthumping ! EZPZ! Y también aparece en la portada del álbum, ¡guau! Por lo tanto, I get knocked down está fundamentado y no tenía ninguna intención de que lo eliminaran. Es probable, y se puede demostrar, con el contenido del artículo en la página de destino. Por cierto, buena canción. ^^ Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 04:02, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
El ejército alemán marcha hacia la Madre Patria
No se mencionan las palabras "into", "motherland", "german", "army" o "march" en la página de destino. Se incluye como una cita, pero no es útil cuando no hay contexto sobre qué es la cita, quién la dijo o por qué se refiere a este álbum de Sabaton en la forma actual del artículo. Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 21:06 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar la primera línea de la letra de la canción "Panzerkampf". Puede violar WP:LYRICS -- Lenticel ( discusión ) 01:41 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Mi té se enfrió, me pregunto por qué me levanté de la cama.
Letra no comentada, no hay nada escrito sobre esta línea en la página de destino. La forma natural de buscar canciones es escribiendo el nombre de la canción. No hay garantía, y no debería haber garantía, de que escribir la primera línea o cualquier línea de la canción te lleve A la canción. En este caso, las personas que buscan una letra esperarán ver material relacionado con la búsqueda que usaron (es decir, una letra). Como mínimo, una mención. Pero no existe ninguna, y no existe verificación para esta línea en el artículo de destino. (Además, también es una letra en Stan (canción de Eminem) , que ese artículo vincula a esta canción como el tercer enlace wiki en la página). No es necesario que una línea ambigua no mencionada sea una redirección a una canción en particular cuando no hay garantía de que la gente la esté buscando. "Stan" y "Thank You" ya tienen muchos enlaces entre los dos. Utopes ( discusión / continuación ) 20:58, 14 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ respuesta ]
- Eliminación débil . Conozco la canción de Dido, donde no es particularmente prominente, y no conozco la canción de Eminem en absoluto. Los resultados de Google (tanto personalizados, donde esperaría que me mostrara Dido en lugar de Eminem, como no personalizados) y DuckDuckGo a través de tor me muestran la misma combinación de resultados que favorecen a Dido en un 60-70%, pero eso no es suficiente para un tema principal. Thryduulf ( discusión ) 21:15 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Nikostratos, guerrero grecorromano
No hay una base o un objetivo claros, no se menciona en el objetivo actual. Es posible que se vuelva a apuntar a Nicostratus (mitología) , pero el título transmite varias ideas diferentes con los aspectos grecorromanos y guerreros. Eliminar por falta de claridad. TNstingray ( discusión ) 20:27 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar El historial muestra un artículo antiguo que parece ser un intento de hacer un artículo sobre Nicostratus (mitología) . No creo que la reorientación sea útil, ya que parece una forma poco probable de buscar la figura mitológica. - Presidentman talk · contribs ( Talkback ) 01:59, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar . Un término de búsqueda poco probable para quien busque Nicostratus (mitología) , y las otras opciones que aparecen bajo Nicostratus son aún menos plausibles. Caeciliusinhorto-public ( discusión ) 09:48 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Borrar . El artículo anterior a la redirección parece ser sobre un personaje ficticio, posiblemente de una obra de ficción moderna (en cuyo caso, es una que nadie ha reconocido aún), o quizás inventada por el autor del artículo. No corresponde con ninguna de las personas mencionadas anteriormente, y no veo ninguna coincidencia en PW , aunque admito que mi capacidad para escanear el texto alemán es inadecuada; la copia más accesible del DGRBM está en Internet Archive, pero este artículo simplemente no parece plausible. El uso de "grecorromano" en el título para alguien que obviamente pertenecería a la mitología o la historia griega, y el hecho de que el autor nunca contribuyó con nada más a Wikipedia, sugiere que este nunca fue un tema legítimo ni de la historia ni de la mitología. P Aculeius ( discusión ) 14:35, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Factores externos de la planta
¿Es "???" una razón válida? Creado como un fragmento de coherencia discutible, actualmente demasiado vago para ser utilizado en cualquier lugar. Incluso podría estar sujeto a diferentes definiciones de "planta" cogsan (regañame) (acechame) 19:39, 14 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar por estar mal formado y, como era de esperar, no utilizado. Chiswick Chap ( discusión ) 02:02 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
WRYYYYYYYY
¿Demasiadas ys? wryyy ya existe, y dudo que sea necesario escribir más de 3 para una especie de frase de moda cogsan (regáchame) (acechame) 19:25, 14 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar , excesivo, inverosímil, antinatural, innecesario; es poco probable que la gente utilice este término de búsqueda para leer sobre "Dio Brando", cuando pueden utilizar la forma increíblemente natural de buscar un artículo sobre una persona o personaje, es decir, escribiendo su nombre. Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 05:11 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
El mundo (arma)
Los stands no son inherentemente "armas". Los stands como Emperor (una pistola) y Anubis (una katana) son armas bastante literales, y Heritage for the Future tiene "stands de armas" (que es una mecánica de juego, no una categoría literal), pero World (un fantasma potenciador) no es ninguna de las dos cosas. No puedo nombrar ningún caso notable de alguien que use un mundo como arma literal, además de quizás Amid Evil 's Celestial Garra, que dispara planetas. Cogsan (regáchame) (acechame) 19:21, 14 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Mantén . "¿Los Stands no son armas"? Eh, no lo sabía. Supongo que hay que aprender algo nuevo. De todos modos, esperar que todos los lectores estén al tanto de la historia de JoJo para poder usar una redirección de Wikipedia no es realista. Los buscadores no tienen ninguna necesidad de comprender ya la definición de Stand y si los Stands son armas o no. Esas escenas de lucha son una exageración, ¿qué otra cosa serían "esas cosas" si no armas? En cualquier caso, ninguna otra arma se llama "The World" en World (desambiguación) , así que no hay problemas aquí. Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 05:17, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- no son armas inherentemente . no golpearías a alguien con khnum (una cara), love love deluxe (pubertad como se ve en boca grande ), super fly ( no puedo irme sin mi amigo superfly ) o the world (chico musculoso, ¿preferirías que golpeara cosas o usarlo como una herramienta de contundencia poco práctica?), pero podrías considerar ratt (pistola de dardos), sex pistols (balas) y weather report (clima) como armas lo suficientemente parecidas. también nota stand (arma), que se eliminó no hace mucho tiempo , y the world (stand) , que fue creado por algún empollón justo después de este nombre de rfd cogsan (regañame) (acechame) 12:29, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Wikipedia:Solicitudes de creación
Proponer redirección a Wikipedia:Artículos para creación . El motivo es que el asistente de artículos sirve si alguien tiene un artículo que quiere empezar a escribir pero no tiene ninguna idea, no para solicitar que se cree un artículo. Impresionante Aasim 18:11, 14 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- A mí me parece que la opción Borrar se parece más a WP:Requested articles . Como ahora tenemos 3 objetivos propuestos para este término tan vago, es mejor dejarlo en rojo. *Pppery* ha comenzado... 21:16, 14 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Desambiguación . Este es un término de búsqueda muy plausible, pero con múltiples objetivos posibles ( Wikipedia:Artículos para creación y Wikipedia:Artículos solicitados (y sus subpáginas) al menos). Cuando tenemos un término de búsqueda plausible con múltiples objetivos igualmente plausibles, lo que hacemos es desambiguar, no eliminar. Thryduulf ( discusión ) 21:25 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Desambiguación . A pesar de que actualmente solo tiene 11 enlaces, hay suficientes objetivos posibles como para asegurarnos de que quien lo publique accidentalmente tenga lectores que puedan encontrar a dónde cree que va. Primefac ( discusión ) 11:53 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Feedback 2400:9800:3B1:9646:1:0:84D6:D5A2 (discusión) 14:07 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Hay otras cosas como redirecciones, categorías y archivos, etc., y si Wikipedia:Miscelánea para la creación existiera, ese sería otro objetivo. Crouch, Swale ( discusión ) 18:40 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
órgano(s) bucal(es)
Cerré antes con el consenso de que no somos biólogos. Lo estoy intentando de nuevo con el mismo razonamiento (que las bocas tienen otros órganos, como dientes y lenguas), así que espero que todos hayan estudiado a sus mordedores. Aunque todavía no estoy seguro de si volver a apuntar a la boca sería la mejor idea. cogsan (me regañan) (me acechan) 17:46, 14 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Comentario Viéndolo desde el punto de vista del idioma inglés, debería apuntar a la boca, o un tema de orificio generalizado para el punto de entrada al tracto digestivo -- 65.92.246.77 ( discusión ) 22:17 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Creo que la boca es la mejor opción para el órgano bucal : es el órgano bucal, solo que contiene algunos otros más pequeños. La boca es, podríamos decir, la madre de todos los órganos bucales. Cremastra ( discusión ) 00:14 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- No deberíamos reorientar esto a "boca". Nadie escribe "órgano bucal" en Wikipedia y espera encontrar "boca", ya que solo tenemos la palabra "boca" para eso. La razón por la que existe "órgano bucal" es para describir diferentes tipos de cosas similares a la boca. Como lo que tienen los anélidos . No describe los dientes ni la lengua. -- asilvering ( discusión ) 00:57, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Por definición, sí. Los dientes, al ser huesos, son un poco dudosos (¡algunos podrían decir que estaba... equivocado!), pero las lenguas , como se señala en el artículo, son órganos explícitos que están en la boca (y, por lo tanto, bucales), y también lo son los labios ahora que lo pienso de nuevo. Este artículo que encontré a los 20 minutos de buscar se refiere a los "órganos bucales" como órganos en la boca de los humanos, y este artículo hace lo mismo con las aves (y con menos sutileza). Si hay especies de aves y humanos que tienen ventosas, probablemente las pasé por alto, en cuyo caso mi mal cogsan (regámeme) (acechame) 01:46, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- ...y por supuesto, en el momento exacto en que decido hacer clic en responder, recuerdo que hay una lista de órganos del cuerpo humano aquí, y resulta que enumera los dientes como órganos que están en la boca. ¿Cuáles son las probabilidades~? sí, sé que otras especies también tienen bocas que pueden no tener lenguas, labios o dientes, solo estoy usando a los humanos como ejemplo cogsan (regañame) (acechame) 01:49, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
T:WPMHA
~Dos enlaces entrantes. Con la existencia del alias "TM", TM:WPMHA es un atajo totalmente suficiente para navegar a esta página, en un esfuerzo por mantener un PNR confuso fuera del espacio de nombres. Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 21:08, 15 de septiembre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Keep . Redirect tiene 10 años, lo que significa que definitivamente se creó antes de que se creara el redireccionamiento de espacio de nombres TM: y generalmente conservamos los redireccionamientos entre espacios de nombres antiguos. mwwv converse ∫ edits 11:31, 16 de septiembre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- No estoy en desacuerdo con que la redirección sea anterior a "TM:". Pero 2014 no es realmente tan viejo. Los títulos de pseudoespacios de nombres han sido muy polémicos durante mucho más de una década. Wikipedia:Redirecciones para discusión/Registro/18 de noviembre de 2013#T:WPTECH es un ejemplo de una discusión acalorada, pero los títulos T: han sido nominados desde 2010 y antes (por principio de ser títulos T:). Así que difícilmente llamaría a 2014 un "ejemplo de larga data", especialmente porque este título nunca ha resistido la prueba del tiempo. Como ejemplo, T:AC ha sido objeto de 3 RfD. T:WPMHA no ha sido objeto de ninguna, por lo que no hay precedentes de !keeping. Básicamente, recién se ha "desenterrado" a partir de hoy. Combinado con WP:NORUSH para discutir este PNR antes.
- "Normalmente no mantenemos" las redirecciones entre espacios de nombres con la premisa de que "son antiguas", por lo que no estoy seguro de dónde viene esa afirmación. Ser antiguo no le otorga inmunidad a un título, especialmente si el título es problemático de otra manera, lo que es inherentemente cierto en el caso de las redirecciones entre espacios de nombres, especialmente las del espacio principal, al que nuestros lectores ocasionales recurren. El factor "problemático" se compensa con cierto nivel de utilidad demostrable, que es la razón por la que dichos títulos podrían permanecer.
- Un pequeño aparte: las redirecciones de pseudo-espacio de nombres =/= redirecciones entre espacios de nombres. Los PNR de WP: están diseñados para permitir la vinculación sencilla a un título, sin necesidad de escribir el prefijo completo del espacio de nombres. "Plantilla" puede tener solo 8 letras, pero si lo escribes unas diez veces al día con fines de seguimiento, esas pulsaciones de teclas se suman. La utilidad de los PNR puede provenir tanto del uso en enlaces wiki como del uso en una barra de búsqueda.
- Así que examinemos la utilidad demostrable. Este título fue creado en 2014, exclusivamente como un compromiso cuando T:WPMA estaba siendo eliminado. Desde su creación, solo ha sido utilizado por una persona, el creador, en esta página de discusión . En cuanto a los títulos T:, 1 uso por década es un valor mínimo. Los enlaces wiki son fáciles de ajustar. En cuanto al "uso en una barra de búsqueda", bueno, el alias TM: facilita el acceso a CUALQUIER plantilla ahora, por lo que todas las razones de eficiencia de la barra de búsqueda son esencialmente caput para los títulos T:. (A menos que, por alguna razón, haya una plantilla en WP que sea tan vital que sea "absolutamente necesario acortar 'TM:' a 'T:', ahorrando una sola pulsación de tecla". Ese podría haber sido el caso cuando "T:" ahorraba 7 pulsaciones de tecla, pero ahora que se redujo a 1, me sorprendería si ese fuera el caso de cualquier plantilla en WP).
- Para terminar, las redirecciones entre espacios de nombres desde el espacio principal siempre son poco ideales. Los lectores ocasionales no deberían caer accidentalmente en una trampa solo para terminar en las trastiendas de Wikipedia, si pueden evitarlo. T:kort , T:SCC, entre otros, son artículos de contenido en el espacio principal que los títulos "T:" infringen activamente. Por lo tanto, los PNR de este tipo deben mantenerse al mínimo, ya que interfieren con la navegación del lector a los artículos reales. Ahora que el alias TM: es una característica que existe, predigo que la mayoría (si no todos) de los títulos "T:" se eliminarán antes de fines de 2024, pero esa es solo mi propia predicción y no sé si eso realmente ocurrirá o no. Pero siento que este es uno de los menos controvertidos que existen; es una reparación de dos enlaces comparativamente fácil y una nominación en solitario para tantear el terreno antes de una posible nominación grupal de otros títulos T:. Utopes ( discusión / continuación ) 20:03, 16 de septiembre de 2024 (UTC) [ respuesta ]
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- Manténgalo , es antiguo, se está usando (según lo determinado por las visitas a la página, no por el recuento de enlaces de las revisiones actuales de las páginas en en.wp), es inequívoco y no veo ninguna evidencia de que haya causado problemas reales (en lugar de teóricos) en los últimos 10 años. Necesitamos más que eso para justificar la eliminación. Thryduulf ( discusión ) 14:59, 5 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Aprende algo todos los días. No sabía que T363757 agregó TM: como alias a Template: en Wikipedia en inglés hace cinco meses, en mayo, hasta ahora, y probablemente no soy el único editor activo para el cual este es el caso. Veo que desde que el prefijo T: quedó en el olvido en diciembre de 2010, un subconjunto de estos se han ido eliminando uno o varios a la vez. Actualmente tenemos solo 63 redirecciones categorizadas al espacio de nombres de plantilla y Special:PrefixIndex/T: encuentra 79 páginas. (79−63)= 16 redirecciones con prefijo T: que no son de plantilla:
- Diez redirecciones de prefijo T: en el espacio principal, una a Talk, cuatro a Template-Talk y una al espacio de nombres del proyecto. – wbm1058 ( discusión ) 14:52, 12 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
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- Esa lista es para redirecciones que no son de Templatespace, de las cuales existen 16, dice wbm1058. Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 23:13, 14 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- La lista completa de redirecciones del prefijo T: al espacio de nombres de plantilla son las primeras 63 redirecciones que aparecen aquí. Me aseguré de que la lista fuera completa (en el momento de mi edición) haciendo una , dos o tres ediciones. De hecho, una de ellas fue a T:CENT . ¡ Es muy fácil! – wbm1058 ( discusión ) 14:08, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Ryl
Me sorprendió terminar en este objetivo. Se menciona a los "Ryls", de pasada, pero hay menciones iguales en artículos sobre muchos otros libros de Baum (incluidos The Runaway Shadows y Nelebel's Fairyland ). La bibliografía de L. Frank Baum indica que es parte del título de varias de sus obras. También es el nombre del protagonista de Pastures of the Blue Crane y, en mayúsculas, es un acrónimo de Radical Youth League . El objetivo actual es el resultado de Wikipedia:Artículos para eliminar/Knook de 2011, pero el administrador de cierre ( SilkTork ) dijo que no había acuerdo sobre [un] objetivo.
con dos lugares diferentes (ninguno de los cuales incluye una mención en su versión actual) sugeridos. En Google, el tema principal es una marca de té helado, pero no parece que tengamos contenido sobre eso. No estoy seguro de cuál es la mejor opción aquí, ¿quizás la desambiguación? Thryduulf ( discusión ) 17:04 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Comentario. Me han avisado porque creé la redirección después de la AfD, pero no creo que tenga nada útil que aportar, salvo que creo que la sugerencia de Thryduulf de desambiguación parece ser útil. SilkTork ( discusión ) 17:40 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Desambiguar He redactado una página de muestra de dab en RYL debajo de la nominación de RfD: 65.92.246.77 ( discusión ) 03:53, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Después de haber visto el borrador, ahora apoyo firmemente la desambiguación. Thryduulf ( discusión ) 19:53 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- dabify . buen trabajo, ip :3 cogsan (me regañas) (me acechas) 20:11 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
ps triple
probando la herramienta mass xfd, lo siento de antemano por cualquier error. un meme, de un tipo llamado chad warden, que parodió la guerra de consolas gen 7. los únicos contextos en los que se usa este nombre son como referencias a chad, como un meme de siivagunner (que en realidad también es chad warden), y en contextos diversos en los que "ps" no significa "playstation". (des)afortunadamente, chad y el meme asociado con él no son notables cogsan (regáchame) (acechame) 16:17, 14 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar según nombre. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( discusión ) 16:31 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Punto abierto/n°1
Estos son los nombres de las dos primeras pistas, pero no es un término de búsqueda probable y está bastante abierto a la interpretación. Cremastra ( discusión ) 14:06 14 oct 2024 (UTC) Cremastra ( discusión ) 14:06 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Educación en línea
RfD anteriores para esta redirección y redirecciones similares:
Parece ambiguo. También existe la escuela en línea . 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 13:02, 27 de agosto de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
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Comentario sobre la nueva inclusión:(Involucrado) Se vuelve a incluir en la lista porque el registro del 15 de septiembre ya no aparece en la página principal de RfD.
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- Reorientar ambos hacia la escuela en línea , ya que la educación a distancia no solo cubre el aprendizaje en línea. Roasted ( discusión ) 18:25, 6 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Umm... ¿eh? El aprendizaje en línea es una página de desambiguación y la educación no se da solo en las escuelas. No veo el argumento aquí y realmente lo estoy intentando. Steel1943 ( discusión ) 09:54 9 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Reorientar al aprendizaje en línea porque esta frase a menudo se refiere al aprendizaje en línea en clase. J 947 ‡ edits 06:00, 14 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
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Comentario sobre la nueva publicación:publicación final. ¿Se debe volver a publicar paraaprendizaje en líneao paraescuela en línea?
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- reorientar al aprendizaje en línea . En este caso, creo que un poco sería más útil, ya que también incluye todos los objetivos sugeridos (y algunos más) cogsan (regáchame) (acechame) 16:20, 14 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
26 de noviembre de 2006
Este día no se comenta en la página de destino. Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 15:52 15 sep 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar por nominación. Huracán Clyde 🌀 ¡mi página de discusión! 20:27, 15 de septiembre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar por nombre — JohnFromPinckney ( discusión / ediciones ) 16:55 16 sep 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar , por, nom. jlwoodwa ( discusión ) 21:34 16 sep 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- ¿Eh? No hay nada malo con el formato. "Día, Mes, Año" es totalmente plausible. El problema es la falta de cobertura de esta fecha en el espacio principal, para un término de búsqueda en el espacio principal que los lectores predicen y esperan que termine en el espacio principal al escribirlo. Un enlace azul aquí es engañoso para los posibles buscadores, cuando no tenemos cobertura en el espacio principal para dicho término. Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 05:19, 17 de septiembre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Está bien, entonces, redirijamos a Portal:Eventos actuales/26 de noviembre de 2006 , donde hay muchos enlaces del espacio principal a eventos que sucedieron ese día. -- T avix ( discusión ) 13:09 17 sep 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
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Comentario sobre la publicación:Un intento más... ¿Eliminar o reorientar?
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- Eliminar el retargeting solo justificaría la creación de redirecciones similares. Además, el uso de varias comas no suele ser habitual.
- - C HAMPION ( discusión ) ( contribuciones ) ( registros ) 10:03 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Sé que no has citado explícitamente a WP:PANDORA , pero "... sólo justificaría la creación de redirecciones similares" es prácticamente lo que es un argumento de WP:PANDORA , así que te voy a dirigir a WP:GETBACKINTHERE . 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( discusión ) 14:52 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Reorientación según Tavix y Utopes. El formato de día/mes/año es completamente plausible, y el único problema es una coma adicional, que, si se agrega un carácter adicional por accidente, no debería afectar la plausibilidad lo suficiente como para eliminarla. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( discusión ) 14:55 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- En realidad, prefiero la eliminación , así que no diría que es por mi culpa. El formato está totalmente bien, pero como no hay cobertura en el espacio principal de este término de búsqueda enciclopédico, ir a un portal donde no hay prosa enciclopédica ni material editable no es lo ideal. Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 20:02, 14 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Wpedia
Redireccionamiento inverosímil. No hay resultados en Google para su uso como forma abreviada de "Wikipedia" -1ctinus📝 🗨 21:45, 29 de septiembre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar por ser sinónimo poco probable. -- Lenticel ( discusión ) 00:58 30 sep 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Keep . Esta es una redirección relativamente nueva, por lo que las estadísticas de visitas a la página no son completamente confiables, pero recibió visitas la mayoría de los días antes de la nominación, incluso después del pico inicial de páginas nuevas de 2 a 3 días, lo que sugiere que es un término de búsqueda plausible. También pude encontrar múltiples usos de esto para hacer referencia a Wikipedia, por ejemplo, usuario:Wpedia User , Archivo:WPedia.svg , Archivo:Marcin WPedia (2).jpg , [13] (ver panel en el lado derecho), [14] (respuesta 4), [15] (respuesta 5), [16] (comentario de "AlivePassenger3859"), [17]. Google también me dice que aparece en este artículo de investigación, pero no está en las primeras dos páginas, que es la única parte a la que puedo acceder de forma gratuita (no he investigado si el texto completo está disponible en otro lugar). Las únicas otras cosas que aparecen en los resultados de búsqueda son un espejo no notable de Wikipedia y el código de producto de una banda abrasiva de diamante para una marca específica de afilador de máquinas para herramientas de carpintería. Los códigos de producto rara vez son buenas redirecciones y, en este caso, no tenemos ningún contenido sobre la máquina (ProEdge) o incluso el fabricante (Robert Sorby), por lo que definitivamente no es un término de búsqueda útil. Thryduulf ( discusión ) 01:04, 30 de septiembre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Mantener En uso común: [18] [19] Ca ¡háblame!01:18, 30 de septiembre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Borrar . Podría referirse igualmente a Wookieepedia ([20] si insistes) o Wowpedia . La moraleja de la historia es que la gente es perezosa mecanógrafa y acuñará abreviaturas novedosas para cualquier cosa. No intentamos anticiparnos ni siquiera seguir esas cosas a menos que sean bastante estándar. La aparente falta de utilidad de esta es reveladora. Nadie va a tener problemas para encontrar información sobre Wikipedia en Wikipedia porque oh no, yo quería buscar wpedia en su lugar. 35.139.154.158 ( discusión ) 04:34, 30 de septiembre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar por 35.139.154.158. Crouch, Swale ( discusión ) 17:13 30 sep 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar . Innecesario y ambiguo. Shhhnotsoloud ( discusión ) 10:03 6 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
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- eliminar por el editor de ip cogsan (regáme) (acechame) 19:23 7 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar como sinónimo nuevo o poco conocido. Schützenpanzer (discusión) 01:35 8 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar por declaraciones anteriores. ✴️Icarus The Astrologer✴️ 01:03, 10 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Manténgalo como inofensivo. C F A 💬 22:54, 12 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- ¿Puedes aclarar tu afirmación? Porque la palabra "Wiki" se acortó a "W". Parece un título demasiado ambiguo y un sinónimo poco claro según Schützenpanzer y Lenticel . ✴️Icarus The Astrologer✴️ 05:35, 13 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
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- Manténgase al día con los comentarios anteriores y, con la creciente tendencia a abreviar palabras, esta es una redirección factible. Randy Kryn ( discusión ) 10:36 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Borrar , improbable, inverosímil, ambiguo, la gente no tiene tantos problemas para buscar el tema de "Wikipedia" en Wikipedia. Utopes ( discusión / cont ) 14:54 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Junta Presidencial
Eliminar por ser un término vago. Las búsquedas arrojan una mezcla de resultados sobre entidades políticas y juntas directivas de universidades. Champion (alt) ( discusión ) 06:12 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
13 de octubre
Tata (rey persa)
No había persas en la época de Tata Викидим ( discusión ) 21:48 13 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar por nombre. Los persas no habían sido creados como una etnia separada en ese momento. Ahri Boy ( discusión ) 00:26 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Esta redirección fue creada por Maziargh en 2010 como una redirección a la dinastía Awan , luego convertida en un artículo por AnnGWik y luego movida al objetivo de la redirección actual (nada de eso es necesariamente una razón para mantenerla, aunque también notificaré a los usuarios de esta discusión en sus páginas de discusión). No hay ningún Tata en la Lista de monarcas de Persia , pero no sé lo suficiente sobre la plausibilidad de que alguien crea (incorrectamente) que este Tata es persa como para decir si esto debería eliminarse o no. A7V2 ( discusión ) 00:50, 14 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Tata es una figura semimítica, pero la dinastía Awan data de aproximadamente el año 2000 a . C. Hasta donde yo sé (no soy un experto), los persas llegaron a Persia y se convirtieron en "persas" un milenio después. Si estoy en lo cierto, los reyes Awan no podrían haber gobernado al pueblo persa. Викидим ( discusión ) 06:31 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Estaba más bien tratando de averiguar qué probabilidad habría de que alguien buscara a esta persona de esta manera, es decir, que la gente pensara en buscar a un rey persa. Pero dada la relativa oscuridad de esta persona, esa pregunta es probablemente imposible de responder, así que en última instancia no creo que haya mucha diferencia en un sentido o en otro si se elimina esto. Dicho esto, creo que agregarlo a Tata (página dab) sería útil y lo haré en breve, pero tal vez usted o alguien más quiera revisar mi redacción. A7V2 ( discusión ) 22:33, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar por ser engañoso según los hallazgos mencionados anteriormente -- Lenticel ( discusión ) 01:35 15 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Tenga en cuenta que casi con toda seguridad la única forma en que alguien encontraría esta redirección sería usándola o siguiendo un enlace (que probablemente se canalizaría dado el uso de un desambiguador), por lo que en lugar de ser engañoso, puede ser útil para ayudar a alguien que está equivocado a encontrar lo que está buscando (pero vea mi respuesta anterior para saber si es probable que eso suceda realmente). A7V2 ( discusión ) 22:33, 15 de octubre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Crisólito
No se menciona en el objetivo con esta ortografía específica; ¿es tan ambiguo como Crisólito ? 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 23:55, 10 de septiembre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Si buscamos en Google , "Chrysolith"aparece el artículo Olivine , que afirma
que el olivino translúcido a veces se usa como una piedra preciosa llamada peridoto (péridot, la palabra francesa para olivino). También se lo llama crisólito (o chrysolithe, de las palabras griegas para oro y piedra), aunque este nombre ahora rara vez se usa en el idioma inglés
. Mindat.org lo da como sinónimo alemán de:
"Chrysolite
"
, su entrada para este último se utiliza predominantemente como sinónimo de
olivino
de calidad gema (véase también
peridoto
), pero también se ha utilizado para
prehnita
y otros materiales de gemas verdes.
Nuestro artículo sobre Chrysolite es un enlace de desambiguación a Olivine y otras "piedras preciosas de color verde o verde amarillento". Mi primer pensamiento fue la completamente no relacionada chrysalis , la búsqueda de me lleva a algunas personas que cometen el mismo error, pero no tantas ni tan prominentemente como esperaba. Thryduulf ( discusión ) 00:39, 11 de septiembre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]"Chrysolith" butterfly- Basándome en la investigación de Thryduulf, me inclinaría por "keep", ya que parece muy útil (se escribe crisolita/crisolithe/crisolithos). Cremastra ( discusión ) 20:01 12 sep 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Eliminar . 1234qwer1234qwer4 , ¿puedo preguntar por qué creaste esta sección? ¿Notaste un caso de esto, o alguien que buscó esto en alguna parte, o es simplemente una hipótesis de que alguien podría hacerlo? Al consultar Google Trends, no veo ninguna búsqueda de Google para este término en los últimos cinco años. No deberíamos crear redirecciones para errores tipográficos que suponemos como búsquedas plausibles (WP:RSWIKIOPINION?) si en realidad nadie los busca. Mathglot ( discusión ) 22:07 12 sep 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- @ Mathglot No entiendo tu comentario: 1234qwer1234qwer4 no creó la redirección, fue El Cazangero en 2015 (fueron bloqueados por copyvios un año después, no es relevante para la creación de una redirección) quien la dirigió a Olivine . Fue redirigida en 2020 a su objetivo actual por Opera hat . Todo lo que 1234... ha hecho es nominarla para discusión. En cuanto a la utilidad, la redirección obtuvo 80 visitas entre el 1 de enero y el 9 de septiembre de este año y 64 el año pasado, lo que es significativamente más que nobody (también vale la pena señalar que su búsqueda de Google Trends está limitada a los Estados Unidos). Thryduulf ( discusión ) 01:45, 13 de septiembre de 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
Se volvió a publicar para generar una discusión más exhaustiva y un consenso más claro.
Agregue nuevos comentarios debajo de este aviso. ¡Gracias, CycloneYoris talk! 10:30, 19 de septiembre de 2024 (UTC)[ responder ]
Se volvió a publicar para generar una discusión más exhaustiva y un consenso más claro.
Comentario sobre la publicación:¿Conservar o eliminar?
Agregue nuevos comentarios debajo de este aviso. Gracias,— TechnoSquirrel69 ( suspiro )05:33, 3 de octubre de 2024 (UTC)[ responder ]
Se volvió a publicar para generar una discusión más exhaustiva y un consenso más claro.
Comentario sobre la publicación:Un intento más. También se notificó esta discusión en Chrysolite.
Agregue nuevos comentarios debajo de este aviso. Gracias, Jay 💬 18:29, 13 de octubre de 2024 (UTC)[ responder ]
- Sigue el análisis de Thryduulf. Charlotte ( Reina de corazones • discusión ) 19:55 13 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Sigue con Thryduulf. Enix150 ( discusión ) 16:13 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Manténgalo según Thryduulf, tal vez una mención real en la página de Peridot sea necesaria para evitar cualquier caso de WP:RASTONISH . 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( discusión ) 16:34 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Reorientar a Crisólito ya que parece ser tan ambiguo como ese término, para el cual parece ser una variante alternativa o extranjera. Felix QW ( discusión ) 17:50 14 oct 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]
- Keep per Thryduulf --Lenticel (talk) 00:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to the disambiguation page Chrysolite, per Felix QW. Renerpho (talk) 01:12, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Grandview (typeface) and others
These redirects point to articles where there is no mention of the subject at the target. They are similar to Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 9#Tenorite (typeface). My opinion is to delete as Enwiki appears to have no substantive material about them, but the decision should be consistent with the result of the other RfD. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:19, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget all to Aptos (typeface)#History, where all three are discussed-- the article tells you what they are, why they were important, what happened to them, and even where you can get them now, which in total is information I'd find substantive. As I mention in the one for Tenorite, an alternative might be to delete as per WP:REDLINK to encourage article creation; however, I'm not sure they're notable enough for their own articles. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 14:56, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget per Lunamann. Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 19:55, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bumping trains
Not mentioned in the article, nothing in wikt:bumping. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:35, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, potentially add mention: Apparently, this is a decently well-known term for evading train/subway fare. https://www.mylondon.news/lifestyle/travel/london-train-expert-explains-youd-26292881 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 15:02, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete so long as it isn't mentioned. Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 19:55, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, no mention of the word "bump" or "bumping" at the target article. The redirect has zero valuable history so nothing will be lost upon deletion. The title can always be recreated when material is added, which doesn't even have to happen this year. There is no rush to improve the encyclopedia. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Question: How do we generally deal with slang terms? I suppose this one evolved out of "to bunk a train" (same meaning), which I can find attested since as early as 2002,[21] and which I'd guess exists since the 1980s or 90s. However, it does not seem like we have any redirects that involve this one. Wiktionary has no mention of this one either, even though it is still in use, as confirmed by a quick google search. I'd even say "to bunk" in this context is much more common than "to bump". -- In the meantime, I lean keep, per Lunamann. It seems to be a popular slang term, in use since the late 2010s,[22][23] and the redirect has been viewed 56 times this year.[24] Renerpho (talk) 06:23, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Catcher's mitt
Originally targeted Baseball glove, but was retargeted without explanation in 2009. Seems a pretty obvious WP:DIFFCAPS case to me; suggest reverting to old target. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 08:46, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Baseball glove as the clear primary target for this title, and put a hatnote on both. jlwoodwa (talk) 18:13, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget and hatnote, per above. Note there was already a hatnote on Catcher's Mitt, but it was in the wrong place (under lead) and so was rendering incorrectly on mobile web - I've just fixed that. BugGhost🦗👻 08:00, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mick Armstrong
Not mentioned in target. TarnishedPathtalk 06:28, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per the above and also per the fact that there are no sources that this is a prominent figure with serious connections to the target article. - AndreyKva (talk) 07:28, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Restore as a contested WP:BLAR. The article was tagged for notability, but it was well-developed with nine references so it definitely should not be deleted here. Another alternative would be to retarget to Austudy Five where he is mentioned, but really that should be an option presented at AfD if someone wants to take it there. Thryduulf (talk) 10:41, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Thryduulf, none of the sources at Austudy Five support that he was part of the event. Two of the sources are dead so they might have supported he was, however both of those (Green Left Weekly) are unreliable. The only reliable source on that article is The Age and it doesn't support it. That event itself might not pass WP:GNG as the only reliable sources I can only find are The Age article already in the article and three Crikey articles that look like they might be opinion pieces. TarnishedPathtalk 11:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The proposed target has also been proposed for deletion. Notified of this discussion there as well.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 06:32, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Restore for now per Thryduulf. Notability can be discussed at AfD. Felix QW (talk) 16:28, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Restore, article content should be considered at AfD Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 19:55, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Restore article per Thryduulf. Had many sources and existed for 11 years prior to being BLARed. A7V2 (talk) 00:59, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Restore then send to AfD as contested BLAR. --Lenticel (talk) 01:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ronnie Cowan (rugy union)
This redirect has an interesting history—it was left over from a move to the target's base title back when it was still about the rugby player with that name, then that was moved to the correctly spelled Ronnie Cowan (rugby union) (a plausible title worth keeping) a minute later, and then the page at the base title was converted to a disambiguation page...while this redirect was never picked up and stayed pointing at the disambiguation page. I know pointing readers to a disambiguation page with this misspelled title isn't the right course of action, but I'm not sure what we should do with it—delete it or retarget it to Ronnie Cowan (rugby), or another route? Thoughts? Regards, SONIC678 06:16, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete since the correct version exists. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:51, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - no point in misspelled directs while the correctly titled redirect definitely does. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 12:56, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete implausible typo. Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 19:55, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete due to malformed redirect --Lenticel (talk) 01:25, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Highly implausible misspelling. Partofthemachine (talk) 08:11, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3.1415926535…
Delete. This has been created a few months ago. It is just the maximum number of digits that Wikipedia happens to allow for a page title. This is not a reasonable search term, and I would argue it fails rule #8 of WP:RFD#DELETE: being a novel or obscure synonym that's unlikely to be useful. The edit summary for its creation, which is "255 (the max) number of characters. Lol.", also makes me wonder if this was a joke edit (this user has had something of an "obsession" with the 255 character limit, compare this example). Renerpho (talk) 04:47, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: I did not notify the creator of this redirect, because they were banned indefinitely a week after creating it, for sock puppetry. I notified 2003 LN6 as the only other user who has edited it. I have also mentioned it on Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia records#New longest redirect title, which is where I originally became aware of it. I believe that should cover everyone who may have an interest in this redirect. Renerpho (talk) 04:52, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- An overview of previous discussions of this question (up to 2018) can be found at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 October 10#Redirects to pi. Since then, there has also been Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 February 22#3.141592653589.... Relevant arguments may also be found there. Renerpho (talk) 01:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Harmless, goes exactly where it should point. * Pppery * it has begun... 06:08, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete not a reasonable search term, created by a sock. Not useful. Polyamorph (talk) 08:44, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. I argued at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 February 8 § The Boy Bands Have Won, and All the Copyists and the Tribute Bands and the TV Talent Show Producers Have Won that in a case where the full title would exceed 255 characters, "I think it's reasonable to say that any plausible truncation of the full title is a valid search term". This is a bit different because the full length of the string in question is, well, infinite, and I wouldn't support keeping redirects for each of the 251 possible truncations past 3.14. But it seems reasonable to allow a redirect for the longest possible truncation supported by MediaWiki. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 08:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- "Plausible" is the crucial word here, and you have not explained why a number of 255 digits in particular is reasonable to keep. That it happens to be the maximum allowed by MediaWiki doesn't make it a plausible search term. Renerpho (talk) 17:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, not a plausible search term. Graham87 (talk) 14:09, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, do y'all really think it'd be plausible for someone to type this entire string in to search for Pi when they literally only need to plug in "Pi" or "3.14"? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 15:07, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Some readers may stumble on a very long series of digits and not realize it is pi, so they would search it up, truncating as necessary. Ca talk to me! 15:35, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- And where does "truncating as necessary" at exactly 255 digits come in? Truncating at 256 will result in an error, and truncating at 254 leads to a redirect that doesn't exist. Renerpho (talk) 17:18, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - not a useful redirect title. Jay 💬 15:48, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep unambiguous and cheap. Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 19:55, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Tamzin. -- Tavix (talk) 19:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as a sequence of digits no one will type into any kind of search engine. --Викидим (talk) 22:00, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- It's not for typing, it's for copy-and-pasing. If you paste 255+ digits of pi into Wikipedia, it would truncate to this redirect. -- Tavix (talk) 01:40, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- AFAIK this is not how the search engines work. If one types more that this exact number of digits, search engines will not truncate the token to our 256 characters and will not point to our article (try Google). If the search is done inside Wikipedia, the long prompt will actually work and elicit a Pi suggestion without this redirect (the redirect will actually be confusing as it will distract attention for the actual article). Викидим (talk) 06:50, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Tamzin. Longest technically possible version of a number that is infinite. This is especially relavent because it is a non-repeating number that it is not uncommon to memorize many digits out in popular math culture. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 22:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete for too long to look at the digits. What is the point of adding these huge numbers of digits, expecting the audience to search the number of Pi in an alternative way by those digits they memorize? If they would like to search for this mathematical constant, can't they just type "Pi" instead? Dedhert.Jr (talk) 00:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Tamzin, Pppery, Tavix, et al. and my arguments at a similar discussion that took place in March 2021. It's unambiguous, harmless, and potentially helpful to people searching for pi regardless of how many digits they type in. Like Tamzin argues above me, this is a plausible truncation of the full number pi (which has thousands, millions, possibly even billions of digits), just like all the other pi-digit redirects I cited in that discussion. Regards, SONIC678 01:20, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The only way to use this redirect AFAIK is to memorize hundreds of digits of pi and actually type (or paste) an exact number of these digits into the search engine. All modern engines would try to autocomplete the prompt (the one in Wikipedia after 3.141592 is typed will identify just the Pi and this strange redirect, so it would be great to hear a description of the scenario, where a genius who memorized all these digits (1) does not know that they belong to pi and (2) is oblivious to the suggestion of the search engine. Викидим (talk) 06:41, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Harmless, accurate. Steel1943 (talk) 02:14, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep technically correct redirect. --Lenticel (talk) 05:08, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Question from nominator: To those arguing for keep, are you saying we should have a redirect from all the other possible lengths? Do you recognize that this goes against most previous discussions involving redirects to truncated versions of pi? We have some, like all up to 3.14159265358979323846264338, but most others -- including some like 3.14159265358979323846264338327950, which is actually mentioned in another article and could be a useful search term, but has been deleted per R3: Recently-created, implausible redirect -- are missing. See also this old deletion discussion, and this one. I'm sure there are others; both of these have resulted in the deletion of multiple similar redirects for the same reason, and are given as examples.
- If that argument doesn't hold then we should have 255 different redirects, one from each possible truncation, plus a note on the policy page that such redirects are considered useful per community discussion. Renerpho (talk) 13:55, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Correction: It's actually all up to 3.1415926535897932384626433832795.
- (It was also nominated for deletion, but it was kept due to the 32-digit version being useful for the floating point reason that you mentioned. I guess the extra 0 was too much.
- Not sure if there's a similar use case for 255 digits.) ApexParagon (talk) 16:18, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- No, 3.14159265358979323846264338327 doesn't exist since 2011, and 3.1415926535897932384626433832 was deleted in 2015. Renerpho (talk) 16:37, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The latter is of course different from the others, because it was an article, not a redirect. It was deleted under A7 (Article about a website, blog, web forum, webcomic, podcast, browser game, or similar web content, which does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject), which is a reason I wouldn't have thought about. One could argue whether it should have been turned into a redirect at the time. I would say no, for the same reasons to delete the other one(s), but you could. Renerpho (talk) 16:49, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Tamzin. Not all truncations are plausible search terms, but this one is because it will catch every one using both it and any longer titles. It will also help search engines (internal and external) direct people using slightly shorter tuncations to the article they want to read. Thryduulf (talk) 14:38, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and salt as implausible and per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 February 22#3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097494459230781640628620899862803482534211706. It's clear that nobody would reasonably type this in for anything other than novelty (I am not convinced by the "copy paste" argument, more on that below) and these types of titles cause more trouble and discussion than its worth, all for reaching a two-character article. We wouldn't permit e (number) or square root of 3 to have these types of titles, and all of these digits are not discussed at Pi either, making the full length of this title an undiscussed subject at the target page. We don't have any material on Wikipedia about 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844-(arbitrary space)-6095505822317253594081284811174502841027019385211055596446229489549303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456. This number doesn't appear anywhere on Wikipedia. Conversely, we have an article on the mathematical constant, and that constant has this value at two hundred and fifty-five significant figures. By extension, this redirect is misleading because all of these digits included in the search term are not listed at the target, so people who want to read about all of the digits they typed in, wouldn't be able to. Tests to copy-pasting into the search bar do not work for me, as the search bar does not accept anything longer than 255, gives a MediaWiki error and/or "no results matching the query". But Google takes more than 255 characters and actually HAS all of the digits listed on various pi sites. so if "someone sees it without context", Google seems the way to go. A Wikipedia redirect for not 254, not 256, but exactly 255 digits of unmentioned material, does not seem useful or helpful, nor realistic for reading the Wikipedia article about Pi. Utopes (talk / cont) 15:00, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Utopes. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:23, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - it's obviously the right target and it's a plausible redirect (someone who sees pi written down this way and copies as much as wikipedia allows in the search box). Stop and consider "realistically, if a user typed this into a search box and pressed enter, where should they go?" Do the delete voters seriously think that a "0 search results" page is a better target for this than Pi? BugGhost🦗👻 23:45, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- That's a straw-man argument, because a "0 search results" is not what's in question. Have you actually tried it? If a user copy/pastes 254 digits, the redirect won't help them, but the autocomplete gives them Pi even if we delete the redirect (they always get autocompleted to 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751, which is not in question). And if they copy/paste 256 or more (which they absolutely can do), they'll also get an autocomplete for Pi -- unless they actually press search, in which case they get an error message. In neither of those cases, the redirect is of any help. Renerpho (talk) 00:48, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - This redirect is not just this redirect, it's this AND EVERYTHING LONGER. It's plausible, as they could paste in any larger number of digits and still get this redirect. Unambiguously accurate target. Harmless. WP:CHEAP. For the record, I would not mind if literally every amount of digits between this and 3.14 was also a redirect, but that is another discussion. Fieari (talk) 01:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- "They could paste in any larger number of digits and still get this redirect" -- that is not true. Pasting in anything longer and clicking "search" results in an error, with or without this redirect. Renerpho (talk) 01:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- And for completeness, using a smaller number of digits (say, 254) isn't helped by this redirect either. Clicking "search" doesn't find the article, but Wikipedia's auto-completion will suggest 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751, which leads them to the correct target. The redirect in question is only useful if users paste in that exact number of digits. Renerpho (talk) 01:28, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Renerpho, this redirect is a handful of bytes in size, and it is obviously going to the right place. The fact it is "only useful" if the user types in something non-standard is completely fine, that is the very point of a redirect. By my count, you've made 10 comments over 23 edits on this RFD - it may be beneficial to take a step back, the outcome of this is not really a big deal in the wider scheme of things. BugGhost🦗👻 07:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The comment Renerpho was responding to states this redirect works for 255 characters and "EVERYTHING LONGER [sic]"; capitalization not mine. The strength from the !vote seems to be derived from (>255) functionality. Renerpho then says that it's not actually the case, and that the redirect only functions at 255 digits exactly, or (=255). (Indeed, I've come to the same conclusion from my tests). You then say that's "completely fine", seeming to agree with the (=255) status, a wholly different state of mind from what Fieari stated in their !keep. Where is the goalpole? Is this being !kept for encapsulating everything beyond >255, or exactly =255? Because I was led to believe the former, as the only reason it could be seen as exceptional and not meet a fiery fate alongside the rest of the overly long "exact digit matches", such as this (deleted) (=28) and this (deleted) (=35) and this (example of reasonable length) (=12) and this (speedy deleted) (=208) and this (speedy deleted) (=29) and this (deleted) (=98). We deleted these because digits of pi aren't listed on the page. This indicated "consensus to limit" these, but no rule beyond the existing outlier of 3.1415926535897932384626433832795. It's cannot be "obviously going to the right place" if obnoxiously long pi redirects have been discussed ad nauseum and historically deleted at 100% certainty @RfD every single year since 2011.{{cn}} Utopes (talk / cont) 18:37, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Please let me know the search engine that you tried with a larger number of digits. I tried quite a few, and did not get the results described by you. Викидим (talk) 01:25, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Utopes and others. Come on people, this is exactly the sort of useless stuff that WP:PANDORA is suited for. And for all you keepers, why Pi? Why not Chronology of computation of π or Approximations of π instead? Wouldn't someone pasting in so many digits be more likely interested in the computational aspects of generating those digits and not a general article on the number itself? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 05:21, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Those targets would WP:ASTONISH. If a user searches a decimal version of pi (no matter the quantity of digits) then Pi should be target; we shouldn't guess that they would prefer a more niche article. BugGhost🦗👻 07:35, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- No, nothing should be the target, because no one is going to search for exactly 255 digits, as others have already pointed out. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 07:55, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I have to agree with @Utopes and say delete and salt on the basis that this redirect is excessively and unreasonably large. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 16:07, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep for previous reasons. It would be more costly in terms of bandwidth to delete the redirect, as there is a very small chance someone might actually use it. Not problematic, as an opposition to WP:COSTLY. 2003 LN6 17:06, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sidepiece (DJs)
Music duo containing both Party Favor (DJ) and Nitti Gritti, both of which have articles. We can't have a redirect where two possible targets are the most logical. Jalen Barks (Woof) 04:37, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom, WP:REDYES. Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 19:55, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom and Queen of Hearts (and WP:RFD#D10), but if not deleted it would be much better targeted to Nitti Gritti#Biography, or better yet a new subsection, as it contains far more information about the duo than the current target does. A7V2 (talk) 01:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
October 12
National Sports Administration
This redirect is likely too general to be correctly associated with the target. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 20:28, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and add a hatnote "national sports administration" is a generic term, but "National Sports Administration" as a proper noun does appear to be unique to China, so per WP:DIFFCAPS the present target would appear to be correct but a hatnote should be added to wherever national sports administration would target if it weren't red (it's not immediately obvious to me where that is). Thryduulf (talk) 10:29, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:41, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Erie Von Detten
Simply not an alternative name.
This was created in the early 2000s, but was redirected to Eriee Von. It hasn’t received an edit since 2005, and averages 0 views a day. Roasted (talk) 21:55, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bot policy
Recently-created cross-namespace redirect. C F A 💬 20:40, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I support deleting this redirect. Pages in mainspace are primarily for the benefit of the general readership. "Bot policy" is not a term familiar to the general public as being related to English Wikipedia. isaacl (talk) 23:11, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:18, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete – it's a newly-created WP:XNR without particular affinity to Wikipedia. jlwoodwa (talk) 17:29, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete not a Wikipedia specific term. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete nothing about policy regarding killbots in warfare, etc; WP:XNR excessive navelgazing -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:09, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nomination. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 00:06, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Does anyone think robots.txt would be a good target for this? Fieari (talk) 00:29, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. At this point, WP:TNT is probably more helpful than determining a retargeting option. Steel1943 (talk) 19:02, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Image use
Recently-created cross-namespace redirect. C F A 💬 20:39, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Maybe salvageable with a retarget to illustration? —Cryptic 20:48, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget per Cryptic. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:18, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete this unnecessary and confusing Wikipedia:Cross-namespace redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:10, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as a newly-created WP:XNR without particular affinity to Wikipedia. I'd also accept retargeting, but I don't think illustration is a great target – not all "uses of images" are to illustrate a concept or process. jlwoodwa (talk) 17:33, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete clearly not a Wikipedia specific term. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete WP:XNR too much navel gazing; not the fair use article, not the article about the politics of imagery, etc -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:10, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Illustration, or Delete as my 2nd choice. Fieari (talk) 00:31, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as vague, given the phrase has a connection to image copyrights, making Illustration a potentially misleading target. Steel1943 (talk) 14:04, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No original research
Recently-created cross-namespace redirect. C F A 💬 20:39, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I support deleting this redirect. Pages in mainspace are primarily for the benefit of the general readership. "No original research" is not a term familiar to the general public as being related to English Wikipedia. isaacl (talk) 23:12, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:18, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete this unnecessary and confusing Wikipedia:Cross-namespace redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:10, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Do not keep as both an unhelpful WP:XNR due to the Wikipedia meta-ness of the phrase. and since there's no appropriate page in the article space to retarget this redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 17:41, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]- Update per Jlwoodwa's comment. I'm neutral on their findings, but want to make it clear I'm no longer hard "delete" on this regardless of the result. Steel1943 (talk) 22:20, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Wikipedia § Content policies and guidelines, with a self-ref hatnote to WP:NOR. Unlike the other redirects nominated today, this phrase is almost completely unique to Wikipedia. Someone who searches for this is overwhelmingly likely to have WP:NOR in mind, and it's a term that people could encounter before they learn about namespaces. (I would !vote for keeping if not for the brief mention in mainspace, which is a better target per the consensus against new WP:XNRs. If someone removes the sentence
It must not present original research.
from the target section – which seems mildly possible, since currently it's only sourced to Wikipedia itself – the redirect should target WP:NOR again.) jlwoodwa (talk) 17:50, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply] - Retarget given unlike legal threats this is likely at least more so a Wikipedia specific term but has mainspace content. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:09, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete WP:XNR too much navel gazing. Not about real world use outside in the real world beyond Wikipedia. Not about R&D dollars vs basic research dollars in funding policy, etc. ie. funding for watch crabs walk, etc. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:12, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget per Jlwoodwa. Unambiguous and a likely search term, including for those who haven't learned about namespaces yet (it's a common reason why first attempts at articles are deleted/draftified), but given the mainspace content exists we should target there with a hatnote to the project space page. Thryduulf (talk) 14:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget and Hatnote per jlwoodwa above, who makes an excelent case for it. This is a wikipedia unique term of art, if they are searching for it they want to know about it in the context of wikipedia. Fieari (talk) 01:09, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Deletion policy
Recently-created cross-namespace redirect. C F A 💬 20:39, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- My question with XNRs to projectspace is always, "Is it plausible that someone would think to search for this internal page while new enough to not know what namespaces are?" New users are often quickly thrown into the fray of our deletion process, so ths is a plausible thing for someone to search for when the article they created has just been CSD'd/PRODded/AfD'd. Keep. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 22:43, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I support deleting this redirect. Pages in mainspace are primarily for the benefit of the general readership. "Deletion policy" is not a term familiar to the general public as being related to English Wikipedia. isaacl (talk) 23:08, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- If this were retargeted to the analgous deletion of articles on Wikipedia then it would be obvious that it is being ridiculously presumptuous. Delete. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:18, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete this unnecessary and confusing Wikipedia:Cross-namespace redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:10, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Deletion of articles on Wikipedia as probably the most plausable topic. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:59, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak delete – I'd agree with Tamzin, but Einstein v. 357 LLC § Findings on Evidence and Internet censorship in Germany § Access Impediment Act show that the term sees some use outside Wikipedia. There's also Data retention § Policies, which isn't called a deletion policy, but it's certainly a policy on deletion. I'd accept retargeting some mainspace article with a self-ref hatnote to WP:DP, but I haven't found a good target so far. jlwoodwa (talk) 17:58, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and protect, with a deletion log entry including a link to WP:Deletion policy to help Wikipedians and intending Wikipedians. SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete WP:XNR too much navel gazing. This gets much use in the controversies on social networks with their content policies and arbitrary deletions. Clearly a WP:REDYES -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:13, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget per Crouch, Swale. It is not unreasonable to assume that someone searching for "Deletion policy" on Wikipedia is looking for Wikipedia's policy on deletion - for example someone whose article has just been deleted or a reader who thinks some other article should be deleted, so it is important that this is easy to find. However given that relevant mainspace content exists we should target that, those who are looking for the policy can follow the link at the top of the page. Those looking for other deletion policies will not find anything on Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 14:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I imagine the vast majority of readers searching Wikipedia are using an external search engine. I don't think it's fair to assume that they're looking for an English Wikipedia-specific policy. Lots of user-generated content sites have policies on deleting content. isaacl (talk) 18:09, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Banning policy
Recently-created cross-namespace redirect. C F A 💬 20:38, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- While it's true that this was created as cross-namespace (to Wikipedia:Banning policy), banning is in namespace 0. Not that this seems like a particularly useful retarget; "policy" only makes sense in relation to just three of the entries on that dab page. —Cryptic 20:47, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Whoops. Not sure how I missed this. C F A 💬 21:41, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think the redirect to the Banning disambiguation page is apt, but I don't have a better suggestion. Ban (law) comes closest with its lead sentence,
A ban is a formal or informal prohibition[1] of something.
, but the article is about legally-enacted prohibitions (as indicated by the name). A policy is generally used to describe guidance that an authority is enacting on its own discretion. isaacl (talk) 02:31, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Block (Internet). * Pppery * it has begun... 23:18, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Personally, I think that "banning policy" is more generic than restricting Internet access. It can refer to prohibited behaviour in a place open to the public, for example. isaacl (talk) 23:24, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- that is a bad target. Banning is not restricted to the internet. People get banned from shopping centers, amusement parks, casinos. It would be encyclopedic to examine banning in casinos -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:15, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Blocking policy
Recently-created cross-namespace redirect. C F A 💬 20:38, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I support deleting this redirect. Pages in mainspace are primarily for the benefit of the general readership. "Blocking policy" is not a term familiar to the general public as being related to English Wikipedia. isaacl (talk) 23:13, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- (edit conflict) Retarget to Block (Internet). * Pppery * it has begun... 23:17, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Although that might be a common usage today, I think Access control is a better target to cover the broader concept of a policy to block access. isaacl (talk) 23:28, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Fine with me. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:41, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Though this can clearly indicate block allocation policy... -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete this unnecessary and confusing Wikipedia:Cross-namespace redirect. "Blocking" has several ambiguous contexts. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:07, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak delete not a Wikipedia specific term as other websites have blocking and there are potentially other forms of blocking that could have policies however it could be useful to new users. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:01, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete WP:XNR too much navel gazing. "Blocking" is just so ambiguous this is not useful. Block allocation, Banning, etc -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Access control per Isaacl and Pppery. Thryduulf (talk) 14:22, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Username policy
Recently-created cross-namespace redirect. C F A 💬 20:38, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- My question with XNRs to projectspace is always, "Is it plausible that someone would be looking for this internal page while new enough to not know what namespaces are?" Given that for many people creating a username is the first step in contributing to Wikipedia, I find the answer in this case an emphatic yes. Keep. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 22:38, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I support deleting this redirect. Pages in mainspace are primarily for the benefit of the general readership. "Username policy" is not a term familiar to the general public as being related to English Wikipedia. isaacl (talk) 23:10, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to User (computing)#Username format. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:18, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete this unnecessary and confusing Wikipedia:Cross-namespace redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:05, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete not a Wikipedia specific term as other websites have username policies and there could be other uses that don't involve computers etc where usernames have policies. Also User (computing)#Username format doesn't appear to discuss policies so it probably not a good target. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:03, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete WP:XNR too much navel gazing. There is so much material that could be built about controversial username policies for social media and accounts allowed by corporations. There's the unreasonable name length bans for users of various services that appear in the news now and then, about people with long names or short names, not allowed names, etc -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:19, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No legal threats
Recently-created cross-namespace redirect. C F A 💬 20:35, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Unlikely search term for a new user. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 22:40, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I support deleting this redirect. Pages in mainspace are primarily for the benefit of the general readership. "No legal threats" is not a term familiar to the general public as being related to English Wikipedia. isaacl (talk) 23:14, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- (edit conflict) Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:17, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete this unnecessary and confusing Wikipedia:Cross-namespace redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:02, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Maybe retarget to Legal threat but otherwise delete as not a Wikipedia specific term though having "No" makes it more so its obvious unlike original research that people or websites etc don't want legal threats. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:05, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete WP:XNR too much navel gazing. This is all over the place in the world at large, and in written contracts, etc -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:19, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Wikipedia-meta phrase with no adequate article namespace equivalent. Steel1943 (talk) 14:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Legal threat which contains a hatnote to the Wikipedia policy, and thus covers everything that anyone using this search term is likely to be looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 14:25, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Days
Used to redirect to Day, but was retargeted by DeCausa in July 2024. Some of the links to this redirect seem to be intended for Day, and some are intended for the song. I'm starting a discussion at RfD because I expect retargeting to be the outcome, but if Days (The Kinks song) is the primary topic for "Days", then it should be moved to this title per WP:MISPLACED. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:31, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget: Day is obviously the primary topic. C F A 💬 23:00, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget. The edit summary "Much more likely target" leaves me only to think that perhaps DeCausa got mixed up about what page they were on or what page they were retargeting to. I note that Days (song) remains a redir to the DAB page (likely correctly, per WP:PDAB). -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 23:05, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget back to Day per nom, CFA, and Tamzin as a {{R from plural}} like it was when it was originally created. Even if the song "Days" by the Kinks may be what first comes to certain people's minds, I don't think it overshadows the singular as the primary topic. It's also worth considering fixing links intended for the song, since we don't want to WP:ASTONISH people looking for the article about days. Regards, SONIC678 01:42, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah, IME the best way to do that is to temporarily retarget to the DAB page after closing, then fix all the newly-created inbound dablinks, then implement the actual retarget. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 01:51, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Day per WP:PLURALPT "the normal situation is that a plural redirects to its singular", which I see no reason to iognore here. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:01, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to the generic meaning per WP:PLURALPT and WP:ASTONISH especially given the long-term significance and also has higher views[[25]] on most days. The DAB would also be possible but the generic meaning is probably primary. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:07, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak retarget to Day (disambiguation) as a plural form with multiple notable alternative topics, such as Days of Our Lives. Also, do not keep as the current target is obviously erroneous as a primary topic. Steel1943 (talk) 14:07, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Scottish Nose-pickers
Little Evidence that this is a title that would be searched for. Only a reference to Nicola Sturgeon Picking her nose can be found using this search term. See no need for a redirect on that basis. Blethering Scot 15:45, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Note I've merged these two related nominations that had an identical rationale. Thryduulf (talk) 16:28, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep this is a very-long established nickname with lots of independent uses, e.g. [26], [27], [28], [29], [30], [31], and plenty of others. Thryduulf (talk) 16:27, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Thryduulf. BarntToust(Talk) 20:56, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Note I've added the other redirect I made of a variant of this name. UltrasonicMadness (talk) 10:21, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, not mentioned at target/WP:REDYES. I would expect someone searching for this term already knows what it refers to, but is looking for information about its usage specifically -- information we don't have. And on the off chance someone doesn't, they may be left wondering why they were led to the target in the first place. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:43, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2032 Copa América
WP:TOOSOON. The hosts for even the 2028 games aren't decided. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 13:08, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. There is no mention of 2032 at the target. Thryduulf (talk) 16:30, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per the above. A7V2 (talk) 01:10, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dietary biology of the of the Nile crocodile
This redirect began its history as an article about the subject, which was then redirected to the correctly titled (and almost exactly duplicate) article that was created less than 6½ days later. It's also gotten nine pageviews in the last year compared to the target's 9,710, which further muddies its plausibility, so I thought I'd send it to RfD to discuss this matter. I'd like to hear all your thoughts about this. Regards, SONIC678 06:48, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Joining the of Russian Orthodox churches in Western Europe to the Moscow Patriarchate
This redirect is a leftover from a move back in February 2020 to the correct title, which I'm not sure is plausible to be kept lying around, especially since it hasn't been used much (it's gotten 118 views during its lifetime, which is pretty small since that equates to less than 1 view per 15 days). Delete unless someone can provide a justification. Regards, SONIC678 06:41, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. This is a {{R from move}} and a plausible search term. That it's a less used search term than the target is not relevant to anything. Thryduulf (talk) 11:39, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete due to an implausible typo as it has "the of" instead of "of the." Schützenpanzer (Talk) 21:12, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and create the correct Joining of the Russian Orthodox churches in Western Europe to the Moscow Patriarchate. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:56, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete, G6, unambiguously created in error with "the of". It was there for ~12 hours before being moved. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 02:12, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
JD "the Couch" Vance
I get that this was a meme but I don't think it's really appropriate and after this election cycle it won't really make a lot of sense. Dr vulpes (Talk) 06:40, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete – per nom ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 08:21, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Hillbilly Elegy#Renewed attention as a {{R avoided double redirect}} of JD Vance couch controversy this is an unambiguous nickname that is in use and is explained at the proposed target (but not in his main article) which is exactly what someone who wants to learn why he has this nickname is looking for. This is only going to get more likely as time passes as fewer people will be familiar with the meme or its origin. Thryduulf (talk) 11:45, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete this nickname has insufficient due weight to continue existing, I honestly don't see how the coverage in Hillbilly Elegy explains this nickname (other than it's completely made up). Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:17, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- All nicknames are made up. The existence of this one though can be trivially verified as existing in multiple independent sources. Thryduulf (talk) 16:31, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete nonexistent nickname. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:12, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/aug/06/harris-walz-first-rally-takeaways
- This article likens him as "the couch", so idk about the nickname being nonexistent YodaYogaYogurt154 (talk) 14:25, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget as per Thryduulf. The proposed new target explains where the nickname came from, and why. Removing the redirect at this juncture because "it'll be irrelevant after this election cycle" is running into WP:CRYSTAL issues-- we're not yet after this election cycle, are we? When and if it truly becomes irrelevant, is when we should remove the redirect. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:25, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I mean, Dwayne Johnson is The Rock, but is JD Vance The Couch? Not even the disambiguation page, The Couch, mentions that it's a notable or widely used nickname for JD Vance.[32] (There was this piece of funny vandalism [33], which has now been removed, but "The Couch" isn't referring to Vance himself.) Some1 (talk) 17:44, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I think JD "the couch" Vance (the uncapitalized form) should be added to this RfD. jlwoodwa (talk) 16:19, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Done Some1 (talk) 16:48, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - non-used nickname. ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 21:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per all the above. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:42, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. The only source cited refers to him as “the couch”, not “JD "the couch" Vance”. If there’s actual usage of this in RS then retarget per Thrydulff. Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 23:36, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Couch sex
The first thing I think of is not JD Vance or Hillbilly Elegy. I get that this was a meme but I don't think it's really appropriate and after this election cycle it won't really make a lot of sense. Dr vulpes (Talk) 06:39, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete – per nom ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 08:21, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per the consensus at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Couch sex. That redirect had a different target though so this is not eligible for G4 speedy deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 11:47, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per above Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:18, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Very ambiguous term. Geschichte (talk) 14:34, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 21:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete its a common thing -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:25, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - This is a common term to refer to something other than the target of the redirect. We do not have an article about the common thing this refers to. As we lack the content the searcher is most likely looking for, delete. Fieari (talk) 01:12, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Having sex with couch
I get that this was a meme but I don't think it's really appropriate and after this election cycle it won't really make a lot of sense. Dr vulpes (Talk) 06:39, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As noted in Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_4#Couch_sex also the first thing I think of when I read this title was not JD Vance or Hillbilly Elegy. I get that this was a meme but I don't think it's really appropriate and after this election cycle it won't really make a lot of sense. Dr vulpes (Talk) 19:32, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep -- this one seems actually pretty plausible as a redirect. I can't think of anyone else associated with the concept of sexing up that specific type of furniture. Also, let's not crystal-ball what will and won't be relevant after November 7. There's no rush, after all. maybe if Trump wins, Vance's critics will continue to use the hoax as a pejorative against him? No telling from when I am, in October 2024. BarntToust(Talk) 20:55, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 21:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:25, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete We already have JD Vance couch hoax. 74.108.22.119 (talk) 21:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
K'gari (local council), Queensland
I would like to delete this redirect. It was originally created by someone who must have wrongly thought that it was a local council, when it is an island. As per WP:RFD#DELETE, I think it meets the criteria of causing confusion as it may lead anyone stumbling on it to think there is or was a council of that name. Kerry (talk) 05:54, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Technically I created this redirect when I reversed an erroneous pagemove which was attempting to rename the locality to "K'gari" while disambiguating it from the article about the island (although the ", Queensland" already did this), but assumed the locality was a "local council". As such, I agree it is an unlikely redirect and therefore unnecessary. --Canley (talk) 01:32, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. There is no local council known as "K'gari" as far as I'm aware. Steelkamp (talk) 06:33, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
List of speakers of the of the Wisconsin State Assembly
I'm not sure this redirect is plausible with the repeated "of the" in the title—the correctly formatted List of speakers of the Wisconsin State Assembly was created last month—and plus nothing really links to it, so I thought I'd bring it over to RfD to discuss. I'm leaning towards deletion, but I'm open to being swayed otherwise. Thoughts? Regards, SONIC678 04:24, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
American American Chamber of Commerce to the European Union
October 11
Allan Cerda
Cerda is not listed as a player on the team, and according to his MLB profile, he has played for several teams, so I'm not sure what the best redirect would be. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:14, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete No longer plays for Reds and not notable for stand alone article.-- Yankees10 15:22, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the pre-BLAR page history?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 07:11, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
*Delete Same reasoning as before. Not sure why this wasn't deleted before re-listing.-- Yankees10 18:51, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 23:26, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. The user is better served by Search. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:51, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fântânele River (Mureș)
Was redirected under a verifiability concern years ago. Fântânele River doesn't list it. Can't find it on either OSM or Google maps. Used to also have Kutas-patak redirected to it, but that's a waterway somewhere else. Looks like this was the result of some sort of a confusion. Joy (talk) 19:18, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: There's also the version without diacritics, which I'll be adding here, since I think it should share the same fate. Regards, SONIC678 20:19, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Misbehaviour
Not actually helpful redirects. The reader expects a description of, well, bad behaviour, but instead is redirected to a page that describes "behaviour" in general and doesn't describe misbehaviour in the sense of a kid pulling the cat's tail. Misbehaviour isn't actually the antonym of "behaviour" here, even though it sounds like one. The behaviour article discusses behaviour in its broadest biological and societal sense. Soft redirection to wiktionary seems the best option here. Cremastra (talk) 19:44, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak disambiguate misbehavior/misbehaviour the only entries which strictly meet MOS:DAB are Misbehavior (film) and Misbehaviour (film), and various WP:DABMENTIONs (e.g. songs on Behaviour (Saga album) and Come of Age), but there's a whole bunch of stuff that would go in WP:DABSEEALSO: Missbehavior, Misbehaving (disambiguation), a {{wiktionary}} link, and closely-related concepts like acting out or misconduct or anti-social behavior which just barely fail MOS:DABSYNONYM (they mention "rebellious behavior", "behavior which is unacceptable", etc., though never strictly use the word "misbehavior"). Perhaps a bit of a WP:IAR but it seems better to disambiguate than move both films to their base titles and put giant hatnotes on them. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 02:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Firstly, I want to point out that, rather than Behavior, since the term "misbehavior" is generally understood to refer to Human behavior, that should probably be the proper redirect target. Just one problem: to my astonishment, there is no mention of misbehavior in that article. Surely there should be at least a full section there! I also checked out the articles about Misconduct and Deviance (sociology), but neither of them is truly appropriate. Wish I had a good answer! Oh btw, I removed the "antonym" reference before I came to this discussion. Anomalous+0 (talk) 01:35, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Disambiguate the first two per 59.149. Delete Ill-behaved. J947 ‡ edits 02:08, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comment drafted dab at Misbehaviour. But without further work (e.g. adding relevant section to one or more of the articles in "See also" so that those articles could be listed in the main section of the dab), after this discussion is closed someone else may eventually come along and dispute the existence of the dab page by proposing that the film articles be moved to the base titles. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 07:45, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Melonade
Not mentioned at target; listed in Lucozade#Variants but there is also a more general Wiktionary entry at wikt:melonade. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:42, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Soft Retarget to wikt:melonade as the best information currently available on this word. I have doubts it is sufficiently covered in WP:RS to make an article here at this time (but who knows in the future...). Fieari (talk) 06:02, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete per nom, unmentioned and WP:REDYES 35.139.154.158 (talk) 23:54, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. No article has any substantive material. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:49, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- REtarget to melon where melon juice redirects to -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:28, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Soft redirect to wikt:melonade per Thryduulf. Enix150 (talk) 00:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Independence of Path
These should presumably point at the same target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:35, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Unmentioned Suikoden characters (2)
None of these are mentioned at the target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Viki(Suikoden) because there's no space between the title and the disambiguator. Unsure on the rest, though—they may not be mentioned, but as SnowFire says in the huge nomination below, the list of characters may be brought back with independent sourcing. I think these three should share the same fate as those in the huge nomination two nominations below this one (I am open to being swayed otherwise, though). Regards, SONIC678 06:29, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Just tagged Viki(Suikoden) with {{Db-x3}}. Steel1943 (talk) 02:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The closing admin should take note of some of the comments at #Unmentioned Suikoden characters that may also apply here. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep but my arguments are in the other "Unmentioned Suikoden characters". Just seemed inefficient to rewrite this in several places and these used to all be on the same page, but I guess one was relisted without the other. Delete Viki(Suikoden) per Sonic678. SnowFire (talk) 02:24, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Viki(Suikoden) has already been deleted under X3. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:36, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Surnames from the name Leib
deletion requested, the target doesn't contain any surnames from the name Leib but only lists persons with the surname Leib. One would expect derived surnames like Leibovich, Leibovitz, etc. Hodsha (talk) 21:23, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Confusing. Steel1943 (talk) 23:16, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]- Retarget to Leib#Surnames derived from the name now that the content has been restored. Steel1943 (talk) 23:39, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- No need. The original (and restored) page contained anchor. --Altenmann >talk 23:41, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I prefer section redirects over anchor redirects whenever possible, especially when forwarding to the top of a section, so I disagree. Steel1943 (talk) 00:30, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- And I disagree with your preference: sections are often renamed and nobody cares to fix redirects, that can be multiple. I am fixing such consequences of benevolent but clueless copyeditors at least one a month. Anchors are permanent, unless someone removes them without much thinking. --Altenmann >talk 18:26, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The same could be said about section headers or anchors: Someone removing them or renaming them causes havoc. The main difference here though is that section headers are more compatible with the mobile version of Wikipedia than anchors. Steel1943 (talk) 14:13, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Keep. Someone "optimized" the page and created confusion. --Altenmann >talk 23:28, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, whatever they did to the page, this redirect doesn't make sense anymore, given the respecting content is no longer there, so I'd say the nomination statement is valid. It's like deleting a redirect from a fictional character to a character list after the character is removed from the list. Steel1943 (talk) 23:35, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]- ...And now, it's back. Steel1943 (talk) 23:39, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget per Steel1943. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:11, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as per Altenmann & Steel; whether it's refined or kept at the anchor is honestly not an issue to me, both go to the same place. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:00, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Leib#Surnames derived from the name. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:46, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, but change to Leib#Surnames derived from the name. I don't think "Surnames" is a good idea for an anchor on such an article, seems quite confusing especially with a section "Surname". A7V2 (talk) 01:23, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pita Revilla
Pita Revilla is the mother of Bernard Palanca and Miko Palanca ([34]). A one-sentence article was created but reverted per WP:NOTINHERITED. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 14:17, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep current target, as Bernard's article is the only one with information about the subject. Jalen Barks (Woof) 16:47, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Zelda: The Wand of Gannon
his name was initially inconsistently spelled, with "gannon" having been used from 1 to alttp in japan, and only in 1 (and later zelda's adventure, but no one cares about that one) in not japan, so it was already out of the equation by the time the cd-i games were out. point is, getting two names mixed up and using an outdated spelling of that name doesn't seem that plausible cogsan talk page? contribs? it's yours, my friend 13:20, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, plausible and unambiguous; deletion of this does not improve wikipedia BugGhost🦗👻 17:16, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Apparently, "Gamelon" is a setting, not an alternative name for Ganon. For this reason, the redirect is erroneous and not a title match in any form or variation. Steel1943 (talk) 00:14, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- correct, gamelon is the place, ganon (which the game explicitly spells with only two ns) is the green guy cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:07, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Very Weak Keep. I will point out that even though Gamelon and Ganon are not the same word, they DO start and end with the same letters. Given Gamelon only appears in this game, while Ganon is the name of the series' overarching antagonist(s), it's perhaps plausible to get the two confused-- "Okay, so the name is Wand of... something? Starts with a G, ends with N... oh, silly me, it's Ganon!"
- However-- and this is a big however-- the addition of misspelling Ganon does reduce plausibility a little more-- however, I would like to point out that this is also an extremely common misspelling of Ganon's name, so perhaps it doesn't hurt plausibility as much as it first appears?
- I won't fight too terribly hard if it's deemed that this combo is still too implausible to be considered. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 02:57, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Too many errors. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:44, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Slightly Weak Keep per Lunamann, plus the fact that while acknowledged as an error since, the original Zelda game does officially use the spelling "GANNON" with three Ns. This was unambiguously an error, but an official and published error. Someone could plausibly remember that it was an error from back in the day, and think it applied to this trainwreck of a terrible game. My !vote is a bit stronger than Lunamann's very weak keep because of this, but it's still slightly weak as I wouldn't feel the need to fight vigorously for keeping it. But I do think it's harmless, with an unambiguous target (even if in error), and WP:CHEAP. Fieari (talk) 23:31, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Research impact
Delete. The redirect is a very broad concept (the impact of research), and the target is very specific (a programme that evaluates the impact of research in the UK). If we have an article that discusses research impact, the general concept, this should be retargeted there; otherwise it should be deleted to encourage article creation, since the current target is country-specific and doesn't explain what "research impact" is. Even the target's "research impact" section merely quotes the programme's own definition of research impact, without any hints about this definition's usefulness outside the UK. Nyttend (talk) 06:24, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Legendary beast
Doesn't this also refer to Suicune/Raikou/Entei? DAB based on legendary bird. Web-julio (talk) 04:36, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - I feel like I've also heard this term used to refer to the three legendary beasts of Ziz, Behemoth, and Leviathan as a collective set, but I can't seem to find a reference to such. Fieari (talk) 05:36, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- retarget to raikou without much prejudice to a dab, at least for now, as it's the best- uh, the first one in the pokédex, and the legendary kitties manage to be the primary topic for the entire term by a longer shot than they probably should be. results for
"legendary beast" -pokémon
and similar searches gave me...- the behemoth... but specifically the one from final fantasy 14... and specifically the name of a quest related to it in monster hunter: world
- a toy company, seemingly big fans of comic books. no article for it though
- a lot of books, most of which are partial matches like "the first legendary beast master", or "the legendary beast of kara". no articles for any of them though
- pokémon. i specified that i didn't want pokémon, and google gave me pokémon
- even then, most results were just descriptions of things, like "wow those gym guys sure are legendary beasts, that's real muscular of their muscles", or terminology from live service games. if sources can be found for leviathan and its wacky buddies, it'll probably justify a dab. as is though, i find it pretty unlikely that the term would be used for anything other than the pokémon, even though that really shouldn't be the case here. how does it just gobble up basic terms like this for itself, d*ng cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:32, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- drafted a dab regardless, by the by cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:39, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Legendary creature is the WP:PTOPIC here, not individual Pokémon, but I would support adding a "For legendary Pokémon, see List of Pokémon" hatnote seeing as it could potentially be helpful. BugGhost🦗👻 17:24, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Pokemon is a fictional creation from the 1990s, not legend or any other kind of folklore, so characters from the franchise are merely fictional, not legendary. There's no question in my mind that the current target is the primary topic. Nyttend (talk) 05:40, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Nyttend: For clarification, the reason that these three are referred to as "legendary beasts" is because they are classified as Legendary Pokémon in-universe, and Pokémon fans frequently refer to these three Pokémon as the legendary beasts. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:21, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Disambiguate I could easily see people wanting to read about actual legendary creatures when they type this in, but Google results clearly favor this trio of Pokémon. For clarification, the term "legendary beasts" is frequently used to refer to these three collectively, as they are considered legendary beasts in-universe and are classified as Legendary Pokémon. Legendary bird is a similar case and is currently a disambiguation page. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:18, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Google results are naturally going to be biased in favour of recent pop-culture subjects. This is a concept with thousands of years of (pre)history; Pokemon can't compete. Nyttend (talk) 06:59, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The reason Google is biased towards recent pop-culture is because that's what a lot of people are searching for. Yes Pokemon is a much newer and much less high-brow subjected, but none of that is relevant to an NPOV encyclopaedia. Thryduulf (talk) 10:20, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The Legendary Beasts were introduced in the GBC-era Gold/Silver; this is pretty far from recent. Granted the idea of beasts of legend is far from new, but discounting Pokemon and and saying that, say, Mythical creatures is the primary topic is... What's the opposite of recentism? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 02:33, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- to say the least i can, i disagree with that. from some snooping around (googling things and looking for specific dates), use of the term "legendary beast" and its plural form has been primarily associated with the funny kitties by a long shot since at least mid 2001 (i'm not pushing it to back july 2000 when a tcg pack released to tease gold and silver, apparently already using this name for the trio, that'd be a stretch even by my standards). while it probably shouldn't, i think those particular pokémon can compete cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- And this is an encyclopedia, not a pop-culture directory or a popular-right-now website: we prioritise things of long-term significance. When I search Google for "apple", all but one of the results on the first two pages are related to the computer company, but we leave the fruit article at apple because it's of long-term significance. Try looking in dead-tree sources. Nyttend (talk) 23:26, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Disambig per above. Thryduulf (talk) 10:20, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comment for the closer. If kept, at least the DAB can be put at Legendary beast (disambiguation), as it's already drafted in the main page. Web-julio (talk) 02:30, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as is it should target legendary creature -- the disambiguation page should be located at Legendary beast (disambiguation) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:38, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep (as redirect), the primary topic is legendary creatures which discusses beasts. A disambig page to alleviate possible confusion should be at (disambiguation), if decided to utilize. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fendlerella utahensis
Fendlerella is no long a monotypic taxon according to Plants of the World Online. The redirect should be deleted to eliminate the false blue links in lists of species and encourage article creation. 🌿MtBotany (talk) 20:35, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2026 Women's Finalissima
No information at the target about the event, better left as a red link for the time being. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:42, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Disqualify as per above. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:37, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per WP:TOOSOON. Achmad Rachmani (talk) 22:54, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per the above. A7V2 (talk) 01:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2026 Futsal Finalissima
No information at the target about the event, better left as a red link for the time being. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:42, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as per above. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:38, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per WP:TOOSOON. Achmad Rachmani (talk) 22:55, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per the above. A7V2 (talk) 01:25, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
DC Super Hero Girls (disambiguation)
The [console]: round 2: the revengening
same case as the others, but not previously nominated. nominating separately just in case cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:18, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- oh wait
- delete the playstation4 and the playstationiv as malformed. should have noticed them before cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:30, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep all - I know they seem a bit redundant, but the "the"'s do actually get used. eg "the Wii", "the PlayStation 4", and "the Wii U" are all used in this article on Britannica, "the Wii U" and "the Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3" and "the Switch" in this Guardian article. "The" + [games console] is a pretty common structure. BugGhost🦗👻 15:12, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep all. As per WP:CHEAP; redundancy is not an issue for a redirect; the important question to ask is if A: it's possible that it could be typed, and B: it goes to the correct place. B is unquestionably correct for every single one of these-- and with A, as per BugGhost people do refer to these consoles as "The [console]"; it's not outside the realm of possibility that they could be typed as such in the search bar. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 15:31, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep all. Most aren't particularly common, but they are plausible, and none damaging or misleading, so I see no reason for deletion. Sergecross73 msg me 16:30, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep all per above. These are all plausible and harmless. Thryduulf (talk) 17:28, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep all per above. mwwv converse∫edits 19:05, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep all, as the creator of two of these redirects, The Wii U and The WiiU, these redirects are useful to people who think that the "The" is part of the name. Sahaib (talk) 07:07, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, consoles are frequently referred to with a definite article so it's plausible to search in this fashion for them. -- Tavix (talk) 17:54, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Alll - It is meme'd nearly to the level of a joke, but non-gamers without domain knowledge do in fact refer to these consoles with the definitely article as part of the name. Even though this is in error, it is a common enough error to make looking for the topics this way a very plausible search term. Fieari (talk) 23:36, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
what is "media" here? games? music? persona 5? originally created as a short paragraph about how the ps3 can Do Things™ cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:09, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete not usable -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 16:26, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I would think its rather obvious that it would indicative of mediums a PlayStation 3 can play - types of discs, music formats, etc. The sort of things covered at PlayStation 3#Software. So, while confusion isn't a factor for me, and there's a pretty clear possible target...its use tends to be a pretty clear average of "zero", so its not particularly serving any purpose either. Sergecross73 msg me 16:34, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, bearing in mind PS3 media doesn't exist. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:42, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The [console]
closed before with no consensus (on the properly capitalized ones, that is). consensus, in slightly more recent times, seems to be that the "the" is not all that necessary. opinions? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:02, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep all - (my comment on the similar RFD here.) The Dreamcast article's opening paragraph starts with
The Dreamcast is the final home video game console manufactured by Sega
, Nintendo Entertainment System starts with The Nintendo Entertainment System (NES) is an 8-bit home video game console produced by Nintendo.
, Playstation 3 starts with The PlayStation 3 (PS3) is a home video game console developed and marketed by Sony Computer Entertainment.
, and Playstation 4 starts with The PlayStation 4 (PS4) is a home video game console developed by Sony Interactive Entertainment.
. BugGhost🦗👻 15:20, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]- Actually on closer inspection Redirect The PlayStation to PlayStation (console), as it's current target is the brand PlayStation, rather than the original PlayStation console. Keep the rest. BugGhost🦗👻 15:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget The PlayStation to Playstation (console); Keep the rest, as per BugGhost. As per WP:CHEAP; redundancy is not an issue for a redirect; the important question to ask is if A: it's possible that it could be typed, and B: it goes to the correct place. B is unquestionably correct for every single one of these except for The PlayStation -- and with A, as per BugGhost people do refer to these consoles as "The [console]"; it's not outside the realm of possibility that they could be typed as such in the search bar. edit 15:36, 11 October 2024 (UTC) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 15:33, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- REtarget The PS3 to PS3 (disambiguation); The PlayStation to PlayStation (disambiguation) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 16:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep/retarget per above. Even if they're not common or official, they're still plausible and non-damaging. Sergecross73 msg me 16:36, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget The PlayStation to PlayStation (console), Keep all the others (including "The PS3") as these are harmless redirects that do get use but in the case of "The PlayStation" do not currently point to the primary topic for the search term (literally 100% of hits on the first five pages of a Google search for "The PS3" -Wikipedia refer to the console). Thryduulf (talk) 17:32, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget and keep per Lunamann. mwwv converse∫edits 19:03, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete all Per WP:PANDORA. We do not have a corresponding "The" redirect for every consumer electronics product that could be referred to as such (i.e. The MacBook). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:22, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Please do not use Pandora, see WP:GETBACKINTHERE-- it's unhelpful and can be actively harmful to cite. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:04, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Just because we do not currently have other similar redirects is not a reason why these redirects are harmful or why any other similar redirects would be. Thryduulf (talk) 11:57, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I personally vie for pandora to get back in their box. mwwv converse∫edits 12:37, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't agree with that application of PANDORA, nor do I think this is a convincing "we don't have that elsewhere" argument. Sergecross73 msg me 15:34, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Worth noting that MacBook is about the brand that spans multiple laptop models (so "the MacBook" would be a bad redirect), while The new MacBook is an existing redirect to 12-inch MacBook, which is about an individual MacBook model - that redirect has been live for 9 years. BugGhost🦗👻 22:20, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I love WP:PANDORA, but yeah, it's not a popular stance. Blarg. Steel1943 (talk) 17:38, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I mean, if WP:PANDORA were edited to take into account the issues listed in WP:GETBACKINTHERE, I'd probably be less adamant about its not being used, lol 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- If PANDORA were edited to take into account all the issues with it there wouldn't be anything left! Thryduulf (talk) 14:07, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, consoles are frequently referred to with a definite article so it's plausible to search in this fashion for them. I also don't see an issue with The MacBook should it be created. -- Tavix (talk) 17:52, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep all - Very plausible search term, these consoles-- indeed, any console-- is often refered to using the definite article by non-gamers (those currently lacking domain specific knowledge). I also advocate never using pandora as an argument in RfD. Fieari (talk) 23:39, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PSX2
would make sense, since the ps1's codename was "psx", but that wasn't the case for the ps2, so no one refers to it as that. also not to be confused with the psx that was... a video recorder with a ps2 grafted to it (technology was weird back then), or anything in psx. there is an emulator called "psx 2" (not to be confused with pcsx2), but it doesn't have its own article yet, and doesn't seem to be for the ps2 cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:17, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep it was referred to that way at the time. {{R from nickname}} -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 16:29, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per above, it was unofficially used back in the day, similar to how Nintendo Switch 2 is used now, Wii 2 was used for Wii U, etc. Sergecross73 msg me 16:39, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak delete as a plausible {{R from incorrect name}} for PSX (digital video recorder) (thus a potential claim that these redirects are ambiguous) since it was made specifically to be used with the PlayStation 2. Steel1943 (talk) 17:36, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Someone finding historical reference to these may want to search what they meant at the time. The target of the redirect will inform them in a useful manner. Fieari (talk) 23:41, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PlayStation Dos
no particular affinity with any language that uses "dos" as "two". results were mostly related to some weird fictional language's use of "dos", as the plural form of "of" (so "...alguns dos melhores jogos de playstation" actually means "...some of the best playstation games"), with no particular affinity with the ps2 cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:14, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah, Delete this one as per WP:RLANG. We're not the spanish Wikipedia. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 15:35, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per WP:FORRED. Steel1943 (talk) 16:26, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per above. Sergecross73 msg me 16:40, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per FORRED, but Brazilian Portuguese is not a "weird fictional language". Thryduulf (talk) 17:34, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- shh don't explain the joke cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:00, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, but I don't regard POV insults towards a language (and implicitly speakers of that language) to be a joke. Thryduulf (talk) 21:07, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah, I don't get it either, but many of Cogsans "jokes" seem to pull from the extremely online culture that doesn't seem to resonate here. I imagine it's from some meme video we've never heard of rather than a place of hate or ignorance. Sergecross73 msg me 15:32, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- it actually just pulls from brazilians not taking anything seriously, least of all brazil cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:05, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per WP:RFOR. ...or WP:FORRED, whichever you prefer) Fieari (talk) 23:43, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- You could also have WP:RFOREIGN, WP:FOREIGN, WP:RLOTE, WP:RLOE, WP:RFFL, or WP:RLANG as well! I don't know of another redirect-related page with a greater variety of shortcuts than this one. Thryduulf (talk) 23:51, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
October 10
Soft D
I believe this has nothing to do with Finnish. Re-target to Danish phonology. There is not mention of a "soft D" on the Finnish page. There is, however, a relatively well-known concept in Danish called "blødt d" which is even talked about on the new target page. Furthermore, if you Google "soft d," all the results will be for the Danish concept in question, indicating its relevance to the new tarket, and not to the current target. Diriector_Doc├─────┤TalkContribs 22:25, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Danish phonology per nom. Fieari (talk) 00:06, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete or maybe weak disambiguate. A search reveals at least 3 other reasonable targets, 2 of which I wouldn't even begin to know how to describe correctly. It also finds a mention at Colloquial Finnish, presumably why this redirect exists, but that article appears to be ~99% OR. I'd advise someone who knows more about Finnish to look into that one more closely. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:44, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:University of Maryland alumni
Is this the right place to discuss cat redirects? In any case, University of Maryland redirects to University of Maryland, College Park, not University System of Maryland, so retarget to Category:University of Maryland, College Park alumni. Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 21:34, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes it is the correct place. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:19, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No relation
- No relation → wiktionary:Special:Search/no relation (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
WP:SSRT: "only topics with a less-than-encyclopedic scope that are commonly wikified words or that are repeatedly recreated should become soft redirects. We don't need a soft redirect for every possible word or phrase to be included in Wikipedia." Fram (talk) 11:40, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Mild keep; created because I thought it might be the kind of thing that would have an article, and when it didn't, a redirect seemed useful. But I'm not dying on the hill of it and I don't care to argue about it. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:13, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Either Delete or maybe weak retarget to No Relations as a plausible error. Otherwise too vague to have a specific target, and soft redirects to Wikitionary only get in the way of normal searches (which always include links to WIktionary for existing entries anyway) 35.139.154.158 (talk) 19:33, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Keep - While we don't need a soft redirect for every page, having a few scattered around is not so harmful as to require deletion. Why waste time on something so WP:CHEAP? Basically, don't bother with this one, it doesn't matter. It's not like we're encouraging people to create soft redirects willy nilly... and it seems this one did have a purpose for someone, so why not let it stand? That said, I really don't care that much. Fieari (talk) 01:53, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to No Relations as an R to plural; encyclopedic searches should lead to encyclopedic, editable material where possible. I agree there should probably be an article at this title though, seems fitting. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:37, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
F-duction
Not mentioned at target. Appears in the Index of genetics articles (despite being a redirect, though the page also contains a bunch of redlinks), and is mentioned in the article about Edward A. Adelberg, who apparently discovered this. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:06, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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List of characters in Suikoden
Target contains no such list. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:36, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 10:49, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The closing admin should take note of some of the comments at #Unmentioned Suikoden characters that may also apply here. If the goal is to preserve history I would be fine with moving to titles without "List of" (i.e Characters in Suikoden ) without leaving a redirect. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep but my arguments are in the other "Unmentioned Suikoden characters". Just seemed inefficient to rewrite this in several places and these used to all be on the same page, but I guess one was relisted without the other. SnowFire (talk) 02:24, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete. The article contains no list. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:53, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- delete per nom. list(s) not present. list of characters in suikoden had one (1) source and nothing else, and was written almost entirely in an in-universe style. won't debate the reliability of the source in question because it's down and so is the internet archive :c, and the thing it would be about (that being the hero's name) is not present in the target anyway cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:25, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 10:45, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tellurane
Tellurane is not hydrogen telluride, but a heterocyclic compound 109.52.57.238 (talk) 15:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Note The redirect was not tagged until just now. I also restored the target mentioned above (Hydrogen telluride), pending this discussion, it had been retargetted to Telluride (chemistry) and then to itself. Thryduulf (talk) 15:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment in 2020 Kupirijo removed the redirect and left a note on the talk page saying
Tellurane refers to the saturated six-membered heterocyclic hydride https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Tellurane and tellane to the mononuclear hydrides H2Te.
. This was reverted by GB fan with a note to take it to RfD, but that didn't happen. The only place this is mentioned on en.wp that I can find is Heterocyclic compound#6-membered rings but that is just a table entry with a link that clearly anticipates the reader being taken to somewhere that gives more information, so I'm leaning towards deletion per WP:REDLINK but want to see some comments from those with subject knowledge first. Thryduulf (talk) 16:02, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]- Yes, delete. I am biochemist and tellurane is a saturated six-membered heterocyclic compound. 109.54.233.14 (talk) 16:29, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, please delete. Thank you Thryduulf for bringing it up. Also "tellurane" should be removed from the chembox of Hydrogen telluride. kupirijo (talk) 17:44, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete to encourage article creation. Oddly we have an article for the aromatic cation Telluropyrylium but not for the neutral non-aromatic heterocyclic. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:34, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete of course this is a incorrect redirect. 109.54.250.137 (talk) 22:44, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete to encourage article creation. --Lenticel (talk) 03:38, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per WP:REDYES to encourage article creation. Fieari (talk) 04:39, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I also removed "tellurane" from the chembox of Hydrogen telluride.--kupirijo (talk) 08:34, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cincinnati Bengals (AFL)
Should probably point to the modern Cincinnati Bengals, who also played in an American Football League. O.N.R. (talk) 02:04, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- WhatLinksHere and pageviews point towards most of this redirect's views being from links rather than searches, so if a retarget is made it's best to fix those links. J947 ‡ edits 05:30, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Retarget to Cincinnati Bengals. I believe this would be the expected result, based on the better known American Football League, which they were a part of and which merged with the NFL. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:44, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget per Josh. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:46, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget per Josh. The hatnote at Cincinnati Bengals should address the relatively few times that a reader is looking for the 1937 team. Rlendog (talk) 14:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Carrotion
Not really a plausible phonetic misspelling, nor a plausible typo. Delete. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:29, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Google hits are a mix of things I can't work out (most prominent is a reference to a model of Volvo car, but I can't work out which one), misspellings of "corrosion" or OCR errors for words like "correction" and "collection". I did find one hit where I think it means "Carotene" (it's a comment about sun tan lotion that does have carotene in it) but it's presently inaccessible due to a server error so I can't verify that. Either way, one hit does not make a plausible misspelling error, especially when it's far more commonly (and plausibly) a spelling error for an entirely different word (corrosion). Thryduulf (talk) 01:09, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I think it is an OCR error for carotene -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 02:52, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Could be, but like all misspellings, if it's a plausible misspelling or OCR error for multiple words, then it doesn't make a useful redirect. Mdewman6 (talk) 05:39, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- There can be exceptions to that, e.g. if one use is very significantly more common in practice than any other, but that isn't the case here. I didn't find any examples of this being an OCR error for "Carotene", indeed it would be an unlikely OCR error (based on my experience) in a couple of ways: while "o" ↔ "n" is quite common, "e" → "n" is uncommon and "r" → "rr" is very unusual. Unlike human misspellings, where substituting single for double letters and vice versa is very common (it's probably the most common type of misspelling I make) OCR errors rarely change the number of vertical strokes, especially in the middle of words, even if they sometimes distribute them wrongly (e.g. "rn" ↔ "m" ↔ "in"). Thryduulf (talk) 21:13, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- delete per "what is this even a typo of?" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:54, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Cogsan try reading other people's comments. This doesn't seem to be a typo of anything, but it is a plausible but not overly common misspelling of "corrosion". Thryduulf (talk) 21:15, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- good cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:48, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I extracted this name from a 1954 chemical dictionary. This claims it is the same as carotin and carotine. In these dictionary carotene was not even given as a spelling. So it is not supposed to be a typo, but an alternative old spelling. But in my 1940 dictionary carotene is listed as the only form. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:43, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- You should probably categorize your redirects so this kind of misunderstanding doesn't happen. WADroughtOfVowelsP 09:48, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep per Graeme Bartlett above, and tag appropriately. Fieari (talk) 01:54, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Symbolism (arts)
The most common use of symbolism in association with the arts is when a concrete element within a visual, literary, or other work of art is used to represent an abstract idea. Currently, the landing place for that type of symbolism seems to simply be Symbol (15 October UPDATE: I've now made a new landing page for this exact concept: Artistic symbol). "Symbolism" as a specific 19th-century social movement is a much more narrow and obscure usage. Similarly worded redirects (namely Symbolism (art) and Symbolism in art) also ought to be redirected accordingly. Wolfdog (talk) 21:59, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Wolfdog I'm not certain I understand your nomination. Are you saying that Symbolism (arts) is targetting the correct place, but Symbolism (art) and Symbolism in art should be retargetted to match? Thryduulf (talk) 23:53, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- This is my first time using RFD, so excuse my inexperience but, no, I'm saying it's targeting the wrong place. It's currently targeting Symbolism (movement). Wolfdog (talk) 00:05, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Ah, the target should be the current target of the redirect. I'll fix it and add the other redirects you mentioned to the nomination. Thryduulf (talk) 00:20, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh. Ok duh, haha, thanks. Should I clear out our above discussion? Wolfdog (talk) 00:34, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- No it's useful context. Thryduulf (talk) 00:57, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete As an incorrect disambiguation for where it's currently pointing. For the record, I agree with the move (though I believe (art movement) would have been a superior disambiguation to avoid confusion with Movement (music)) and believe that the concept of symbolism within art is notable, but should be at artistic symbolism. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:34, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Retarget all to Symbol per nom. Fieari (talk) 23:46, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all, or set up a disam. (then) Just delete, per Ham. Retarget all to the new Artistic symbol. Symbol will be no use at all to the vast majority of readers - all about semiotics and map symbols. Yes, it would be nice to have artistic symbolism, but it seems that we don't (yet). Meanwhile this is going to be what many readers are looking for. Johnbod (talk) 01:16, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]- Delete. Symbolism is already a disambiguation page, and while these could be retargeted there, I don't see what that would achieve. The dab page and these redirects begin with the same word, so the redirects wouldn't help anyone typing "symbolism"/"Symbolism" into the search bar find the specific meaning of the term they're looking for (unlike, say, if we had that Artistic symbolism article, with Symbolism in art redirecting to it). The redirect Symbolism (arts) only exists as it was the previous title of the article Symbolism (movement), and that former title was far too ambiguous to be of any help – it could refer to either of the meanings noted in the nomination. Ham II (talk) 09:42, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's note: I've taken into consideration the notion that others and myself have pondered that Wikipedia is perhaps simply lacking in an article on artistic symbols/symbolism, so I've started as stub here. I appreciate the ongoing discussion. Wolfdog (talk) 17:42, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's never lupus
Seems as though these redirect formerly targeted You Don't Want to Know prior to that article being WP:BLARed last year. As it stands, the target article does not mention these phrases, and these phrases seem to be a quote, which may not be too helpful if it's targeting a episode page for a season of a television show. Steel1943 (talk) 21:36, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Even I, who never watch the program, know that's a reference to House. There should be a season page which is relevant, if the episode page has been deleted. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 21:56, 2 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]
- They currently redirect to the most relevant season page, given their previous target. Steel1943 (talk) 22:20, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I've defended quotations as acceptable {{R without mention}}s before, figuring they can at least answer a reader wondering, "What was that from again?" Without an article on the specific episode that defied the trend, though, redirecting to the season seems more trouble than it's worth, especially given that the only mention of lupus on that page is the instance where it was lupus. Gregory House and House (TV series) seem equally likely targets, and I'd prefer either one over the current target. I'm not necessarily opposed to deletion, though. --BDD (talk) 15:50, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Deletion as plausible, and I feel we do have some information... at least on the level of "Where was that quote from/what does that meme refer to?" I'm ambiguous on the target. I actually feel that Restoring the specific episode article that was BLAR'd would be the best target... we have articles on episodes from other shows, and this episode seems particularly notable (I don't even watch the show, never seen even a single episode, and yet even I have heard of this particular episode!). (I do agree that the article, when it was BLAR'd, was overly detailed on the episode summary, but I wish they hadn't resorted to WP:TNT!) Barring that, I'm fine with the current target for now, but would not object to sending it to the character or the series page either. My only strong feeling is that we should keep the redirects and point them to one of these pages, even if I don't mind which as much. Fieari (talk) 00:04, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep in some form. It's a well-known phrase from the show that shows up in its own marketing [35] and in academic literature [36][37][38] There's an AV Club review that mentions that the episode was finally Lupus and there's some articles discussing the phrase [39][40].
- -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 19:58, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Retarget to You Don't Want to Know, which I have cut down and restored, also providing a citation that was marked as needed. I put the references Patar gave above on the talk page along with one or two others... don't really have that much time to add what needs to be added to the article, but WP:NEXIST says that this should prevent the article from being WP:BLAR'd again, or worse, flat out deleted. Fieari (talk) 07:21, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to You Don't Want to Know per Fieari, now that it has been restored. A7V2 (talk) 01:40, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
!(*$
- !(*$ → 1984 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Can only be accomplished by holding the shift key during the entirety of typing as it will not occur with caps lock. Unlikely. Steel1943 (talk) 21:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep this is a fairly common problem with sticky keys. And of course sticky keys. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 21:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]
- Comment Caps lock is disabled on my keyboard, so this could happen. And before you ask, I disabled caps lock because I hit it accidentally far more often than actually using it. Paradoctor (talk) 22:01, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as a mind-bogglingly WP:UNNATURAL redirect. If someone has sticky keys turned on and botches a search, they can turn it off. There's no apparent reason why this particular string of digits (or any keyboard symbols for that matter) should be singled out to have such a redirect. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as implausible. Depending on the layout, it can happen with caps lock, but we don't need to help readers with search queries they would probably not expect themselves to work. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:20, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Grawlix (replacement of profanity by typographical symbols), similar to $@!%. That's what I expected when I saw this in the TOC and had to hunt for the target article. Thryduulf (talk) 23:58, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I specifically oppose such a retarget. I was even going to nominate the existing redirect for deletion, but just hadn't gotten to it yet. This is even more unlikely a string of punctuation symbols than the existing grawlix redirect, and would be inappropriate to redirect there. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 00:06, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Grawlix is hard enough to find currently when you don't know what it is called. Searching for it using examples of it is extremely plausible. Thryduulf (talk) 00:18, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- This redirect won't make it any easier to find. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:30, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Really? By providing another example of it that may be closer to someone's search term and thus more likely to be found by search engines, etc. this will make that target easier to find for many people. Thryduulf (talk) 10:53, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, really, and I find your insistence to the contrary bordering on bad-faith stubbornness. This specific sequence is just one of 5,040 such sequences containing 4 of the 10 symbols over the number keys without repeats. There are another 30,240 more if you use 5. And this is only on US keyboard layouts; considering others will add more. It's also one that's especially unlikely to be found due to the distances between consecutive symbols. Please, no cute little puppies will be harmed if this redirect is deleted. Just let this one go; it'll be okay. I promise. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 13:11, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- FWIW, # cannot occur in titles, and I don't think parentheses that commonly occur in grawlix (though web search results sometimes show them, as well as ? or + as well). I agree that the distances between the symbols make this unlikely. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:56, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The question is not whether puppies will die as a result of deleting this redirect, but whether deleting this redirect will improve the encyclopaedia for our readers. Neither you or anyone else has given a plausible reason why deletion is better than retargetting. Thryduulf (talk) 14:35, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retargeting is misleading, and hence worse than deletion. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 00:22, 4 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]
- How would retargetting an example of grawlix to the article on grawlix be misleading? Thryduulf (talk) 11:07, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete it requires QWERTY to work, and not some other configuration -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 02:40, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- That's not a reason to delete (especially given that QWERTY is by the most common keyboard layout used by English speakers) and also completely irrelevant to the retargetting suggestion. Thryduulf (talk) 10:54, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Incorrect. It works with AZERTY etc, and even with Dvorjak. If you find this string standing alone it is almost certainly a mis-shift of 1984. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 00:30, 4 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]
- Delete as implausible. I understand the point Thryduulf makes about possibly retargeting, but it seems unhelpful to me to have a redirect to grawlix for every possible combination of four symbols. There's no evidence that this specific combination is commonly used. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:03, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Grawlix. Alas, both google and nGrams can't search for punctuation, but I don't find this set of punctuation implausible for a profanity substitution. No, we don't need every single possible combination, but neither is there a reason to get rid of ones we already have, and we might as well make use of what's here. I agree that the more ways to find Grawlix, the better, as it is extremely plausible that someone might be trying to find it but have no !(*$ing clue what it's actually called. Fieari (talk) 23:30, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Indeed we don't need every possbible combination, but search results are more likely to include the target if there is a redirect similar to your search term than if there isn't, so a variety will significantly increase the likelihood of someone finding what they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 00:15, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Good point. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 00:30, 4 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]
- Given your logic there, we could certainly potentially take up the task of tactfully developing a diverse set of these (partially per Steel1943 below) to aid searching for this topic. We should not, however, use an argumentum ab existentia to include this in that group without thoughtfulness. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 03:15, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Either delete or retarget to Grawlix. The redirect exists now, bots will have indexed it, and it certainly shouldn't point to 1984 any more. — The Anome (talk) 07:51, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator comment/update: For the record, I prefer "delete" over "retarget to Grawlix" since strings that represent "Grawlix" can basically be any set of random punctuation marks, so it doesn't make sense that we should redirect a sequence there that is 1) no mentioned in the article, 2) not a notable sequence and 3) could potentially encourage the creation of similar randomized redirects (which I don't think we want to do.) Steel1943 (talk) 17:05, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- For the reasons explained above, a limited number of distinct sequences of Grawlix is something that we do want given the clear benefit to those searching for similar strings. Thryduulf (talk) 23:31, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- And I don't agree for the reasons I already stated. Steel1943 (talk) 03:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Other than you don't thinking we want to do it, you haven't given any reasons. Thryduulf (talk) 12:56, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Sure. 🤣 Steel1943 (talk) 13:33, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Seriously, the only reason you have given that is relevant in any way to the reasons given for titles of this nature to redirect to Grawlix is "could potentially encourage the creation of similar randomized redirects (which I don't think we want to do.)" which is almost literally "I don't like it" (but with an arguable side-helping of WP:OTHERSTUFF). If you don't want to give any additional reasons, that's fine, but don't gaslight that you have given reasons. Thryduulf (talk) 14:56, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- ...Ain't no "gaslighting" ... just "stick dropping". Steel1943 (talk) 15:57, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Implausible redirect. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:30, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Redriect to Grawlix, per Thryduulf BugGhost🦗👻 09:11, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, given it seems to be ambiguous between two bad targets. Cremastra (talk) 13:53, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per 35.139.154.158. No affinity has been shown with this particular 4-character sequence of keyboard symbols than any other similiar potential grawlix sequence. No one seems to be suggesting that this should be done for every, or a subset of (e.g. 1900s), year article(s). Thus, there is no good target. If there is no consensus to delete, prefer current target over suggested retarget per Steel and Rich. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 02:00, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- i was initially not going to opine here, but... nah. delete. 1984 has no particular affinity with accidentally holding shift, doing that anyway can be brushed off as what is colloquially known as a "skill issue" which the average joe would likely spot and fix, and grawlix has no more affinity with !(*$ than it does with $@)¨(, @$¨)!, or !&&)!# cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:09, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Grawlix has no special affinity with any particular sequence, that standard would disallow a redirect from any example of it which would clearly be detrimental to readers. Thryduulf (talk) 19:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. This can't be a grawlix because of the parenthesis. A parenthesis is considered punctuation and punctuation marks are not used to make a grawlix because they are perceived as being outside of a word rather than a part of a word. -- Tavix (talk) 20:38, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lightlike separation
Not mentioned at target; brief explanation exists at Lorentz transformation. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:34, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- UPD: Searching for the adjective, Special relativity#Invariant interval appears to be a good target. (There should presumably be redirects from lightlike separated, timelike separated and spacelike separated as well.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:40, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @1234qwer1234qwer4: Why do you think this should have a different target from Lightlike? I don't see how they're distinct. jlwoodwa (talk) 16:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Causal structure only seems to talk about tangent vectors (and therefore does not mention "separation")... The redirects in the nomination below could point to Special relativity#Invariant interval as well, though that section could also be linking to the causal structure article. It's mostly an issue with how the content is organised. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:19, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @1234qwer1234qwer4: Thanks for explaining. I think lightlike shouldn't redirect to a target that's too specific to discuss non-tangent vectors, then – but that's for the discussion below. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:24, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Spacelike vector
These should point at the same target, but it seems like Causal structure is the most appropriate option. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget all to causal structure. — The Anome (talk) 13:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget "Space-like"/etc "time-like"/etc "light-like"/etc to spacetime, where this is explained. These forms with "vector" attached should point to causal structure -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 02:45, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Missoes
i was going to retarget it back to missões and call it a day, but there's a non-zero chance that that could also apply to some plot points from the guaraní war, the seven peoples of the missions, or some other stuff i might be missing. kinda torn between just retargeting or considering dabifying at missões (in which case i'd probably take that to afd or something with the suggestion of retargeting it to missões, brazil) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:58, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Retarget/WP:JUSTDOIT. I would have thought the situation was caused by a bot "fixing" a double redirect after this redirect's target was WP:BLARed which was then reverted, but the timestamps on these pages' edit summaries don't match up. In other words, I am not clear on why the bot performed the edit it did to target the current target. Steel1943 (talk) 01:16, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- What's even weirder is that this is the second time I've seen such an odd thing happen today. (See here for the other recent instance.) Is there something wrong in recent times with the backend servers retaining edit histories? Steel1943 (talk) 01:21, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- i just realized the outcome of this redirect would have been irrelevant to the possible move discussion regarding missões, and i really could have just retargeted anyway. is this grounds for a mix of withdraw and retarget? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 01:13, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Khaidi No. 150 (soudtrack)
I'm nominating this one separately because of its history—it apparently used to be an article about the movie's soundtrack until a deletion discussion in April 2017 (the participants of which that resulted in it being redirected to the current target. Aside from spikes in 2021 and 2022, it hasn't been getting very many pageviews since then, so I'm not 100% sure we need this lying around, plus I've also created the correctly spelled Khaidi No. 150 (soundtrack) (which should help readers find the intended target), so I'd like to hear all your thoughts about this. Also, the participants of the deletion discussion (TheLongTone, Jennica, Bovineboy2008, Serial Number 54129, and Jo-Jo Eumerus) might want to weigh in on the matter, so I'm pinging them in case they have anything they might want to add. Regards, SONIC678 05:56, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Restore the four revisions that were deleted at AFD (as I do not see a policy-baaed reason that justified their deletion in accordance with the WP:ATD !votes at the debate), merge the page history up to Onel5969's revision into Khaidi No. 150 (soundtrack), move the talk page to Talk:Khaidi No. 150 (soundtrack), then delete the remaining 2024 revision. ✗plicit 12:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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John Atoms
Not a common or likely misspelling, virtually no incoming targets. If for some reason it is kept, I would say retarget to the John Adams dab page. Otherwise, my vote is Delete. TNstingray (talk) 13:06, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- he's the inventor of atoms, how can you not know him? delete per nom. implausible misspelling, mishearing, and pun cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:13, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep for the sake of recognizing current education as lacking in definitive broad-based knowledge. It may be an unlikely spelling but not impossible, and doesn't harm the encyclopedia to leave it for those who wander through the weeds (sounds like an alternate-universe name for a comic book about America's founding). Randy Kryn (talk) 13:17, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: per Randy. Would also note that incoming targets is a poor test pbp 14:33, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- REtarget the ersatz pronunciation spelling to the disambiguation page and tag as {{R from misspelling}} -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 16:33, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as an implausible error. A quick google search finds no results of people making such an error, but it does find this in use as at least a couple stage names/aliases, and possibly a real name or two.
Also note that our search feature is good enough to suggest "John Adams" as possibly meant instead, making this redirect even more unneeded. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:25, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]- Note that the search feature suggesting "John Adams" is likely because this redirect exists. Thryduulf (talk) 11:16, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Struck, just in case, but that doesn't change my overall assessment. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 12:38, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/
subpage redirect that doesn't actually lead to a subpage. created by a blocked user, who seems to have created a lot of malformed redirects like this cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:54, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I don't think there's even a need for a full discussion here, I see a reasonable case for WP:SPEEDY as per WP:DENY @Cogsan:. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 13:26, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- deny is explicitly not a csd, and i don't think this is vandalism for that matter, so g3 is probably out of the equation. i'd rather bet my r$6,69 (it's actually all i have at the moment, catfishing has not been very profitable lately) on cir (also not csd) or g1 cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:44, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep this is harmless, has quite a few incomming links (those I spot checked all intended the current target) and gets plenty of pageviews so deletion would be disruptive for no benefit. Thryduulf (talk) 16:06, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- "intended" is a strong word here. it seems they all come from uses of template:rfd notice between 21 and 24 december 2021, while this diff was up cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:32, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah, that seems like an unintended error. If someone could go through and fix all those incoming links to point to the normal RfD page instead of this, that'd probably be extremely helpful. In any case, Delete. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 18:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- a little iffy on doing that, since a good bit of those are in archives, and i hear the admins might tickle your schnitzels if you edit archives wrong. absolutely no prejudice with non-archived instances, though, so i'll be doing that soon-ish (except on talk:vaginal lubrication, my isp doesn't like that page) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:23, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- did that for non-archive pages... 3 days late. i swear i didn't forget, i only fell asleep for nearly 3 entire days cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 01:02, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete as WP:G6 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:02, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ exists and was kept back in 2011 but we should probably delet it as well, the title is simply an error suggesting people could be looking for the archives etc rather than the main RFD page. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- ...weird. that one seems to have been accidentally used by multiple templates since its creation in 2005, and has an extremely strange edit history. it's a real glitch magnet, that's for sure. honestly, i'm considering nominating it just to be safe, but it gets steady views somehow cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:35, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep for now - It does get a fair amount of hits. Now, I'm willing to believe that these hits come from a malformed internal link, so I propose that all incomming links to this redirect be corrected, we wait a few months, then check usage again. But as long as this gets steady hits, I can't support deletion for the sake of mere tidiness. Don't break things needlessly. Fieari (talk) 23:20, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Harmless, redirects where it is supposed to. Steel1943 (talk) 01:23, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- not really related but i just realized this is a redirect to rfd in rfd. ow my brain cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:17, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
R v R (Rape: marital exemption)
Redundant redirect due to the existence of R v R. Previously redirected to Marital_rape#Ending_the_exemption but I would argue that its still not needed as the case confirmed the end of any exemption. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 10:14, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as a perfectly harmless {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}}. "Redundant" is not a reason to delete a redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 16:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Unambiguous target. WP:G14 objectively does not apply, as that is only for disambiguation pages--that is, pages that list other pages a search term could be confused for--which contain only one article or no articles. This is not a disambiguation page, it is a redundant disambiguator, a term of art in wikipedia with an entirely distinct meaning. Fieari (talk) 23:39, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - This is a poorly formatted disambiguation (i.e. '(X: x)' is not a method we use in disambiguating pages). If it were in need of disambiguation, then there are many ways we might go about it; however, this is not one of them. If it were a correctly formatted unnecessary disambiguation, then I would not object to its retention.— Godsy (TALKCONT) 21:16, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: badly formatted, and unnecessary disambiguation for this target. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:59, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep the parenthesised portion is not a Wikipedia disambiguator, but a real-world form of case citation, with hundreds of Google Book hits [41] 59.149.117.119 (talk) 11:40, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- In that case, it would be a {{r from alternative name}}. '(Rape: Martial Exemption)' seems to be by far the most common followed by and '(rape: marital exemption)'. If this is kept (and assuming this is not ambiguous), a move without redirect to the former may be an option that somewhat addresses all the concerns. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 21:51, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment, if this is valid, it should be mentioned. In a vacuum, "Rape: material exemption" is an unlikely, unnatural and implausible disambiguator. However, it has been called into question that this is more than a disambiguator, and is a possible subtitle for this decision, or some derivative. A mention at the subject should explain this situation. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:54, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Usurper King
There have been plenty of real historical figures described as usurper kings, including in some Wikipedia articles. This redirect is therefore too ambiguous to target to this character. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:23, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Usurper King is unambiguously Zant or at the very least the main topic, as a quick search confirms. If you can find another case where someone is called Usurper King in running text in 20th or 21st century English, then maybe we need a disambiguation page. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 22:00, 2 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]
- Delete per nom; many many real kings have been labeled as usurpers over the centuries. The existence of this redirect is actively harmful, as it impedes searching within Wikipedia, the result of which reveals the phrase in wide use, so wide and general that even a DAB page would probably be too unwieldy to be helpful. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep (or disambig) per Rich Farmbrough. None of the other uses found by the search use this a name or title for anybody, simply a description, they would be appropriate to include on a list of people described as "usurper king" or similarly titled list but only that. Deletion of this redirect would hinder readers finding the content about the character specifically named "Usurper King". Thryduulf (talk) 00:02, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep for now per above. GHits are mostly about Zelda. There's a book that calls Henry Bolingbroke the Usurper King but I think someone more knowledgeable about royalty to confirm if it's an actual notable nickname. --Lenticel (talk) 03:33, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- When I add "Henry" to the search term I do get a lot of hits for that English King, some of which use it as a sort of title, so I'd support adding a hatnote there as Zelda is the primary topic overall. Thryduulf (talk) 10:57, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to List of usurpers, as lots of Kings have been called usurper in the history, and my feeling is that this list would take primacy outside of the internet (which is biased towards current culture). At the very least, I would suggest this list be hatnoted at whatever target is chosen. Yes, Henry Bolingbroke is on this list, but googling "kings who have been called usurpers" got me an instant results listing William the Conqueror, Stephen of Blois, Henry Bolingbroke, Edward IV, Richard III, and Henry Tudor immediately, so clearly historians have quite a few usurper kings in mind when they hear the term. Fieari (talk) 00:11, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- There is a difference between describing a king as a usurper and calling someone "Usurper King". Thryduulf (talk) 11:08, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete When I think "Usurper King", my mind would never go to Zant and I'm even a big fan of Twilight Princess. This is simply too vague to be targeted here. The IP is correct that it will disrupt legitimate searches. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:29, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- delete. not even an old tiktok meme like great king of evil (though i'd nominate that one too, as the meme invariably includes his name). off the top of my head, the wasp king (as in the guy from bug fables) also fits the bill cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete or retarget to List of usurpers per Fieari -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 16:36, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Usurper, following the same principle as Fieari but I see no reason to prefer the list to the article about the concept. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:49, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
S-compact space
This seems to be a different concept that is not described anywhere. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: This is not a concept at all. If you look at the history for the S-compact space page, it was created by a bot in 2008, presumably because this bot automatically created such redirects because Σ-compact space also redirects to σ-compact space, and the bot converted the Greek letter to a Latin letter. Note from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Special:WhatLinksHere/S-compact_space that there are no Wikipedia articles making use of this redirect. It would also be very confusing for anyone to use "S-compact space" with the meaning of "sigma-compact". No mathematician would understand what it means, as it has no meaning. Since "σ-compact space" already has a variety of redirects from many other names that make sense and without using Greek letters for those who have difficulty typing those (like "Sigma-compact space", etc), it seems to me that the best course of action is to delete the redirect "S-compact space". PatrickR2 (talk) 21:07, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I believe these redirects are typing aids. It's an error to imagine that someone wanting to access Σ-compact space will necessarily first think of Sigma-compact space. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 22:01, 2 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]
- Keep [as a typing aid] [Maybe not significant but on the other hand, supporting dab] S-compact is used as a short form of strong locally compact, as if it is a standard notation, in Gompa, Raghu R. “What is ‘Locally Compact’?” Pi Mu Epsilon Journal 9, no. 6 (1992): 390–92. [42] It is used to describe certain bitopologial spaces in an apparently unconnected way here. It also seems to have a different use in fuzzy measure theory. However unless we cover these uses on Wikipedia (we don't as far as I can tell) this is a valid redirect. If we did at this page we should use a hatnote for sigma, otherwise a dab page might be in order. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 22:36, 2 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]
- Note that the article by Raghu is pretty idiosyncratic. Any undergraduate belonging (having belonged?) to the society can publish some writing there with their own notation. That does not make such notation notable. Pi Mu Epsilon Jouornal is not a peer reviewed journal and thus is not a reliable source. PatrickR2 (talk) 03:01, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- (Apart from the fact that bringing it up would seem to be an argument to retarget to Locally compact space#Formal definition (to which I just redirected strongly locally compact), not to keep.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:13, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree that bringing up those other cases supports dab or retarget. However I did not consider myself knowledgeable enough to evaluate the strength of that support. For example I found another case of "S-compact space" where S is merely a place-holder, which I could discard. I didn't want to repeat myself, but I have added my motivation for keep to my !vote. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 00:54, 4 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]
- @1234qwer1234qwer4 Maybe a little off topic here, but why did you create a redirect from strongly locally compact, just based on the existence of an article in an undergraduate journal using that terminology? It is not because a random person introduced that terminology in a random journal that it should belong in Wikipedia. Additions to Wikipedia, at least for mathematics, should be based on notable facts. How do you justify this terminology is "notable"? Leaving this in wikipedia is also encouraging people to start using this non-notable terminology :-( PatrickR2 (talk) 04:54, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @PatrickR2, I based my redirect on the inclusion (not added by me) of the phrase in the Locally compact space article (as well as a web search confirming the usage of this phrase – I barely ever create redirects
just based
on something singular). The article, in turn, cites Steen & Seebach's Counterexamples in Topology, which is convincing enough to me to leave it there. I did not realise that article also cited the Pi Mu Epsilon article until now; it likely shouldn't, but it appears to be only used as a source for the logical relations and not any terminology. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:19, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]- You keep creating these links "just in case". This is a misguided approach. If and when someone needs to link to 'locally compact" from "strongly locally compact", they can create the redirect at that time. It helps no one to create all these redirects if no one is going to use them. This is just gnome work gone overboard. Sorry for the rant, but it's not the first time ... PatrickR2 (talk) 02:41, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. I've found at least two more, different "S-compact"s just looking through the arXiv, all fairly obscure, and none of which seem to have any existing coverage on Wikipedia (that I can find, at least). Thus any target would be misleading, including substituting "S" for sigma. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comment it is a Eubot (talk · contribs) creation, Eubot made tonnes of these stupid incorrect Latin-to-Greek letter redirects -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:37, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tebasaki
japanese deep fried chicken wing. defined on wiktionary, only mentioned in passing in other articles, and unmentioned in the target cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:09, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- is this... a case of "thing, japan"? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:20, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Nagoya cuisine All the best: Rich Farmbrough 22:40, 2 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]
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Murgh
created as "urdu for 'chicken'", but apparently only sees use in the context of indian curries, and doesn't seem to be mentioned outside of the page history, the previous discussion, and butter chicken. see also murg i guess cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:34, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Butter chicken (incidentally commonly known as "butter chikkin"). All the best: Rich Farmbrough 22:47, 2 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]
- Delete per nom and WP:FORRED. Retargeting as suggested above would be inappropriate too, since there's no particular reason to target this dish as opposed to any other chicken dish. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 13:20, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Chicken, has passed into English usage, see Wiktionary. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 01:00, 4 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]
- "Murgh" has not passed into English, and even the Wikt entry lists it only in a sense associated with Indian cuisine. So WP:FORRED still applies. Redirecting to "chicken" would be WP:HARMFUL, as it obscures information from the user. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, the Wiktionary entry does list it as an English word. That it is only used in one context doesn't negate that - plenty of unambiguously English terms are used only in one context. Thryduulf (talk) 16:09, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep; the English loanword is specifically used in Indian cookery to refer to chicken prepared for consumption, and not the actual animal-- which is the same use that the far-more-widespread from-French loanwords beef, pork, and mutton have. Those words link to their own pages that talk about the meats' usage in food, rather than the pages for cow, pig, and sheep respectively. Given this, the equivalent chicken as food page is the correct target. A hatnote, though, may be appropriate-- "Murgh" redirects here. For the specific dish known as "Murgh makhani", see butter chicken. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 18:21, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- But it's not English, unlike the others, so this argument falls apart. And such a hatnote would be highly inappropriate for the same reason I gave above -- there are many many dishes whose name on Indian menus would include "murgh"; pointing to just one would make no sense. And before you bring it up, disambiguating would also be wrong as entries would be nothing but WP:PTMs. A reader who doesn't know what "murgh" is will be able to figure out what it is much more easily if the redirect didn't exist, both by the nature of the search results, and the prominent link to Wiktionary. Most people would be confused as to why searching for "murgh" took them to "Chicken as food", which would give them no information that this is a word used in Indian cuisine. A simple definition is much more likely to be useful than a whole-ass article on chicken as food. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 19:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- You do realize how much of English is comprised of loanwords (that is, words pulled from other languages), right? How old does a loanword have to be, in your eyes, before it's an English word? Narrowing in on words related to food, Beef, Pork, and Mutton are all from French, as is Café. Spaghetti and Lasagna from Italian. What about Teriyaki, or Hibachi, both from Japanese? Jalapeño and Tortilla from Spanish? Ooh, Murgh is specifically from Indian, what about Chai?
- My point is that people regularly use all of these words in English speech, and if you were to remove ALL the loanwords from English, it'd sound VASTLY different.
- I'll grant you the idea that pointing to only butter chicken in the hatnote might be a bad call-- but only if you can bring up other 'murgh' dishes that have pages on Wikipedia. Otherwise, I do have to point out that the argument runs afoul of WP:CRYSTAL- we can't throw our hands in the air because someone MIGHT make a page on a second or third 'murgh' dish in the future. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 04:45, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Soft Retarget to Wiktionary - The discussion above has convinced me that the search is plausible, but also that we don't have any information on what the user would be looking for... namely, what does murgh mean? For that, the wiktionary entry is, in fact, the best source of useful information to the user. Fieari (talk) 00:09, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- In case it wasn't clear above, I still specifically oppose a wiktionary redirect, again, because it hides in-site search results from the user....search results which contain a Wiktionary link right at the top already anyway! Let the search feature do its job. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 02:29, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Note that search results are not guaranteed to include a Wiktionary link and can be several clicks/taps away depending on multiple factors (including how you navigated here, what device you are using and whether you have the ability to create a new article). Thryduulf (talk) 02:48, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Search results DO include a Wiktionary link, and it's dishonest to claim otherwise. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- If you read what I actually wrote you will see there is nothing dishonest about it. Thryduulf (talk) 11:35, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I note your objection, but doing the search myself, it comes up with a number of WP:PTMs that don't really provide information on the word murgh by itself, which makes me still believe that wiktionary is better suited. If they really want the search results, soft retargets provide that option. (Example soft redirect for reference what it looks like: Kiss-in) Fieari (talk) 05:05, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Lunamann. The evidence shows that, contrary to the IP's assertions, this is an English word, but even if it weren't the extensive use in English language environments would make this a useful search term. Thryduulf (talk) 02:48, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- What evidence!? The existence of this redirect is downright misleading and WP:ASTONISHing. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, we... we get it, you don't think this word has actually passed into English yet, and you're getting increasingly angry that everyone else says it has. Please don't bludgeon us over it 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 03:23, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
John Mills (New Zealand cricketer cricketer)
This repetitive redirect is a leftover from a 2015 move to the correctly formatted counterpart. I'm not sure someone would search "cricketer cricketer" rather than just "cricketer," further muddying this thing's plausibility. Regards, SONIC678 05:18, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I think we can delete "John Mills (New Zealand cricketer cricketer)". It must have been set up as either a typo or a joke, and I don't see how it can serve any useful purpose.
- Sammyrice (talk) 06:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Basically unused over the course of a year, implausible search, implausible error. Fieari (talk) 06:47, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alpha-chlornaltrexamine
The target article is specifically about β-chlornaltrexamine; while there is a cited mention of its isomer α-Chlornaltrexamine at the target, it is generally potentially misleading and confusing to redirect names of different compounds to articles about other specific compounds. Delete these redirects to encourage article creation about the isomer and avoid confusion. Mdewman6 (talk) 03:18, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Per WP:REDYES to encourage article creation. Fieari (talk) 03:56, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per WP:REDYES and to avoid confusion per nom. TNstingray (talk) 13:08, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:JDELANOY
Disaster recovery
Should probably more appropriately target Emergency management#Recovery. Many, many links to due to it being from a page move and I don't know which tool to use to automate a fix. Tule-hog (talk) 02:09, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Courtesty ping to Kvng for any thoughts on the retarget. Tule-hog (talk) 02:15, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Maybe we should create Disaster recovery (disambiguation) and redirect there. Why are we at RfD with this? ~Kvng (talk) 02:44, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Only because I have no idea how to handle all the 'links to this page's, feel free to delete this! Disambiguation could be good, but I'm not sure of the guidelines of how many articles are needed to justify it. Tule-hog (talk) 02:51, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Disambiguation pages can be made with only two examples, but more commonly in that situation there's a WP:PTOPIC that we link to first, with a hatnote linking to the other article. If there's three pages to be disambiguated, a DAB page is much more likely, and four nearly assures we'll want a DAB. So it's not a binary black/white thing, but more a gradient.Fieari (talk) 04:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Potential Disaster recovery topics:
- ~Kvng (talk) 15:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Started! Would it be possible to automate changing the 'links here' from Disaster recovery to point to IT disaster recovery? (Or maybe thats generally bad form on WP?) Tule-hog (talk) 17:50, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Maybe there's a bot that can do that and arguably it won't make things worse. I've done a quick review and there seem to be quite a few instances where the target is wrong. ~Kvng (talk) 17:52, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Move the new DAB page over redirect unless there is a consensus that the current target or the alternative target proposed by the nominator is a primary one. I don't see one at the moment, and WP:NOPRIMARY would govern then. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 18:04, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm far too IT-minded to make a meaningful call on WP:PTOPIC 😬 —Tule-hog (talk) 18:10, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- DABify per draft made above. I do not believe there is a WP:PTOPIC here, as both IT and IRL uses are common. Fieari (talk) 23:28, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Disambiguate clearly Hurricane Milton and Helene victims are not usually looking for the IT topic -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 16:39, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support creating the dab page per above --Lenticel (talk) 10:49, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
October 9
Lists of Pokémon
Is this ambiguous or should it be retargeted to List of Pokémon? Web-julio (talk) 23:34, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. While title-wise it's not exactly correct, the end result is pretty harmless; the page Lists about Pokémon starts with a link to the proposed target (List of Pokémon, before listing off quite a few methods of drilling down to more specific Pokémon (i.e. lists by generation), et cetera. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 23:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep The target includes a list of lists of Pokemon, people using this search term will find the exact content they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 23:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. the Lists about Pokémon is a recreation with other additions, the old page didn't include non-species Pokémon lists. Guessitsavis restored the redirect and I restored the list back and moved to make it less ambiguous. Whether the redirect should be restored or not would be a discussion for AfD, right? Or a merge discussion. Web-julio (talk) 23:58, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Target contains exactly what is being named in this redirect. It contains more as well, but still, the user will find what they are looking for here. Fieari (talk) 07:03, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tenorite (typeface)
Not mentioned at target, meaning it's a somewhat misleading redirect for someone searching for the term expecting to find information on it. Hey man im josh (talk) 23:25, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Potentially retarget to Aptos (typeface)#History, which DOES have information on Tenorite-- what it is, where it came from, and its ultimate fate (in that it was passed over for the role of successor to Calibri in favor of the Bierstadt/Aptos font). I could also, for the record, see a Deletion as per WP:REDLINK; that said, I'm not sure Tenorite is notable on its own in any context other than the fact that it was a potential successor to Calibri and lost to Aptos.
(Edit as per 14:58, 13 October 2024 (UTC): refined retarget location to match suggestion for the other three fonts) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 23:36, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply] - Delete. Enwiki has nothing substative about this typeface. I have seperately nominated Grandview (typeface), Seaford (typeface) and Skeena (typeface) that are also mentioned at Aptos (typeface). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:19, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Joker persona
Delete this is not a parenthetical disambiguator. The target is incorrect. There are multiple articles on personae named Joker listed at Joker (disambiguation), where the normal course would be to have "Joker persona" in a sentence not refer to the "Persona" videogame series. Instead it would say refer to the alternate persona of the character Jack Napier or Arthur Fleck; even "joker persona" is also covered under this redirect, and that could easily refer to the common meaning of joker, a jester, a practical joker. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 21:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per reasoning. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:57, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as vague. Heck, even Joker of DC Comics have several personas by himself. --Lenticel (talk) 00:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Joker (disambiguation), as I agree with the nominator that the plain reading is that of personae that are jokers. I don't think it's vague at all, and this DAB will help find what is being sought after... even the character from Persona. Fieari (talk) 07:05, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete As vague. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:30, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per above. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:47, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draft:William Cilium
Delete - Can't seem to find any relation to the subject? estar8806 (talk) ★ 21:43, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete seems to be test edits -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 22:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. We don't have any content about any person or thing with this name. Googling finds [43] which suggests it's a joke of a joke? Whatever it definitely doesn't merit adding a mention. Thryduulf (talk) 22:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as confusing at best --Lenticel (talk) 00:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. To explain the joke, "William" == "Billy", "Cilium" == "eyelash". Not very funny, as few jokes are when you need to explain them. Tevildo (talk) 17:40, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Indeed, I can hear the Joker having a conniption about this one. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 18:31, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Wrong namespace, has always been a redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 00:46, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and send to WP:DAFT per the above. Duckmather (talk) 14:54, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4C Untitled Flatiron Nonfiction Summer 2023
Next king of Denmark
Delete - Per WP:CRYSTAL estar8806 (talk) ★ 21:36, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Succession to the Danish throne. This is a plausible search term, and while Christian is the heir apparent, the succession article explains this and gives context, etc. It will also remain accurate with changes to the line of succession for any reason. Thryduulf (talk) 22:30, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget per Thryduulf. J947 ‡ edits 22:32, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Succession to the Danish throne per Thryduulf and J947. It's better to direct readers to an article where the succession is explained, since the holder of the title of the redirect will change throughout time. Regards, SONIC678 23:00, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Succession to the Danish throne per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget per above. Marbe166 (talk) 07:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget per Thryduulf. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Succession to the Danish throne. The phrase can refer to the first in the line of succession at this point or in the future so the best thing would be to redirect it there. Keivan.fTalk 20:39, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Succession to the Danish throne. One of those rare occasions where a WP:CRYSTAL-titled redirect can permanently refer to an existing topic. Steel1943 (talk) 00:52, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to the stable target per above. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ingrid I of Norway
Delete - WP:CRYSTAL. estar8806 (talk) ★ 21:34, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per estar8806. Marbe166 (talk) 07:28, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per estar8806. Crystal ball gazing for the first in line to the throne is bad enough, but the second?! Rosbif73 (talk) 08:16, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. Another hypothetical and I guess fabricated regnal name. Keivan.fTalk 20:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, no need for CRYSTAL made-up regnal names. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Next king of Norway
Delete - WP:CRYSTAL. estar8806 (talk) ★ 21:32, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Succession to the Norwegian throne per my comments above at #Next king of Denmark. Thryduulf (talk) 22:32, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget per Thryduulf. J947 ‡ edits 22:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Succession to the Norwegian throne per Thryduulf and J947. Haakon may be the next king of Norway as of right now, but the holder of the redirect's title will change throughout time, so it's safe to lead readers to somewhere where the order of succession is explained in more detail. Regards, SONIC678 22:56, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Succession to the Norwegian throne per above. --Marbe166 (talk) 07:30, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget per Thryduulf. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:01, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Succession to the Norwegian throne. The phrase can refer to the first in the line of succession at this point or in the future so the best thing would be to redirect it there. Keivan.fTalk 20:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Succession to the Norwegian throne per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget, same as with Denmark. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Haakon VIII Magnus
Delete per this discussion [44] Also no evidence he'll use this name. estar8806 (talk) ★ 21:30, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete both per estar8806. --Marbe166 (talk) 07:31, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete both, pure WP:CRYSTAL. Rosbif73 (talk) 08:18, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete both per WP:CRYSTAL. Incidentally, we have had similar discussions on some other fabricated regnal names before. Keivan.fTalk 20:34, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:02, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per above. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
🆓
Free is a DAB, don't see a reason for the emoji specifically to have a PTOPIC. Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 20:43, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to the DAB page as most helpful to the reader. Cremastra (talk) 20:47, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to the dab. The character is "U+1F193 SQUARED FREE" which does not given any particular meaning of "free". Thryduulf (talk) 22:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to the dab per Thryduulf's findings. --Lenticel (talk) 01:15, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement, which is the Unicode supplement. Yes, I know this won't enlighten the reader a lot, but I don't actually think the dab is going to be especially helpful for readers either. Duckmather (talk) 14:52, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement, a user typing the emoji specifically (rather than "Free") is likely looking for information about the emoji rather than one of the other multiple meanings of the term. It's pretty much a use-mention distinction, where searching the emoji is much more likely to be mentioning it than using it for its meaning. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:04, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cody, WY μSA
Third Lebanon War
No evidence that this conflict is known as the "Third Lebanon war", and it isn't even mentioned at target either. CycloneYoris talk! 22:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: It is easy to concieve of this as being a common search term given media reporting. E.g., The Jerusalem Post states "Israel’s Third Lebanon War is underway". TarnishedPathtalk 06:29, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete First off, the comments above by non EC editors should be discounted per WP:ARBECR as such editor~s may only make edit requests and cannot participate in consensus forming discussions. Secondly, this redirect arose as a result of an undiscussed page move that was undone. There is so far little evidence that the Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) will escalate into a third war, limited incursions notwithstanding, although that is of course possible in the future.Selfstudier (talk) 10:47, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Selfstudier, I've removed the non EC editors' comments per WP:ARBECR. TarnishedPathtalk 12:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep plenty of sources using the term to describe this conflict and I've not found any uses of the term to refer to other conflicts. As a second choice, this could be retargetted to the Lebanon War disambiguation page, but in practice this doesn't seem ambiguous. Thryduulf (talk) 13:49, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep plenty of sources are referring to this as the Third Lebanon War so I'd imagine its a reasonably common search term, besides there is not exactly any other war that could be considered a third lebanon war so anyone searching that is looking for what we redirect them to. Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 13:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete A lot of places say invasion and we don't have an official name for it. Don't want people to mix it up with other events because we gave it a name ourselves, that's not the role of Wikipedia. Maybe at some point in the future there will be a name used across the board, but it's not like we have a crystal ball to see that future. I propose that until then we just use the same description in the majority of outlets instead of selective snippets that could be seen as biased. Similar logic was used when discussing "War in Afghanistan" being proposed as 'Afghanistan War' aswell as being used against proposals for the "Covid Recession" being called a bunch of other names and there are more examples in naming of other current events but I dont want to get too far off topic. My point is that right now it's far too early to think about this kind of move and/or redirect. Dasein (talk) 23:16, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- This discussion is not about what the name of the article is or should be, it's solely about whether "Third Lebanon War" is a useful search term for anything, and if so what it is a useful search term for. Thryduulf (talk) 00:11, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- It's about redirects, redirects using alternate names. I mean anybody can search for anything using any term or description. The important part is whether or not it's reasonable. I'm making the case that this isn't a relevant term to use for redirects atm. A few niche news articles alongside the rest (which describe it very differently) doesn't seem like it's enough. Besides shouldn't a war have a separate page to this rather than be a redirect? Dasein (talk) 22:01, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- So yes, I stand by my point even if wording could've been handled better. I feel the same reasoning would apply here. If it was a useful search term then it'd be so for anything that follows the invasion, right? Where relations/wider conflict is one thing, current invasion would be an event in said wider conflict, and any subsequent war (not that we have crystal balls) would be another thing with its own page and more apt for having a redirect like this (if it's a commonly used/reasonably assumed search term at the time anyway) I refer back to what I said about the sources used to initially justify it also being an issue which is why I don't think it's a good fit at all right now. Hence my stance currently being Delete. Dasein (talk) 22:11, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, reliable sources have described the conflict as such. Senior Captain Thrawn (talk) 16:54, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, but lean retarget to 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon. Otherwise a reasonable search term. estar8806 (talk) ★ 20:57, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep but retarget to 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon. See Talk:2024_Israeli_invasion_of_Lebanon#Requested_move_3_October_2024 where it is being discussed to rename that article to "Third Lebanon War". The consensus appears opposed (including my own opposition), since this appears to be primarily (albeit not exclusively) a term used by Israeli sources, and hence represents an Israel-centric perspective. However, Israel-centric terms still make good candidates to be redirects to more neutral terms, since obviously some readers (especially Israeli or Jewish or pro-Israel readers) are likely to be using them as search terms. SomethingForDeletion (talk) 22:50, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Retarget to 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon where it is already mentioned in the lead. And it isn't just Israeli sources, look at, say, The Guardian (
Third Lebanese War
. Cremastra (talk) 20:49, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply] - Retarget, plausible search term and the invasion has been described as such, even if it is not necessarily the most neutral or widespread term. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:59, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hunger protest in Nigeria
Too vague. I highly doubt that there has been more than one hunger protest in the history of Nigeria. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 00:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete just as nom stated. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 01:38, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment would List of protests in Nigeria be a better target. I do think that this target needs expansion. --Lenticel (talk) 00:31, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- To the nominator, Hunger protests in Nigeria has not been tagged as being part of this discussion and I'm guessing the redirect creator has not been notified. Liz Read! Talk! 07:50, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I've tagged that redirect, it was created by the same editor as the singular who was given a notice about this discussion by 1ctinus when nominating so I've not left a second. Thryduulf (talk) 09:48, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Uncle Cosmo
still not the biggest columbohead out there, but from a couple days of looking around, i haven't found any relation between this name and columbo (or columbo). is this something from later episodes that just hasn't been mentioned anywhere yet, or...? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Uncle Cosmo was a nickname sometimes used, as is correctly indicated by the "R from nickname" template used in the redirect. Please do your homework prior to making nominations, because this is easily destroying carefully created infrastructure and costs time which could be better spend on improving or adding contents. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 17:03, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. This could've been caught by simply plugging in
"Uncle Cosmo" Columbo
into Google. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 18:34, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]- i did that before, and got one result saying it used by his nephew in one episode (episode 60, to be specific), and never again by anyone else, and that result was in page 2 of 2, in a suspiciously old-wikipedia-mirror-shaped site, unsourced, mentioned in passing, and buried among unrelated uncles named cosmo seemingly related to people seemingly known as "colombo". looking again, it's the same case, but now there are also reports of some "rfd" thing started by someone named "cogsan". no idea who that is, but he sounds like he'd be a total wonk
- i would withdraw based on this, but the fact that there are no sources, reliable or otherwise (google told me there was something around quora, but i didn't find it there) that even imply anything about this (nick)name's existence aside from up to this diff which another site seems to have yoinked by accident, while "frank" and "philip" have a citation each (yes, i know the latter is false), leads me to question if it's worth keeping, as the only mention i found outside of fancruft in the target's edit history was still circular
- if you two found something i didn't, i would appreciate it cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:04, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Hm. Checking myself, you're right-- I'd initially seen the first result being Quora and went, "Okay, this is a known answer.' In reality, it... was not. Whops. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:49, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- clearly, his first name is "lieutenant" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:44, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Will (sociology)
The word "will" does not even appear on the page, and it's not obvious what it's referring to. Batrachoseps (talk) 15:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Boston Stadium
Appears to be ambiguous based on Category:Sports venues in Boston. The target is also a stadium located in Foxborough, Massachusetts, which is about 35 km southwest of Boston. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:07, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- comment Gillette Stadium#2026 FIFA World Cup says
During the event, the stadium will be temporarily renamed to "Boston Stadium" in accordance with FIFA's policy on corporate sponsored names.
so it's definitely a plausible search term. I'm not sure whether refining there or 2026 FIFA World Cup#Venues would be more helpful though. This comment also applies to the similar nominations below. Thryduulf (talk) 22:43, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]- Thanks for that @Thryduulf. That makes this a confusing situation... I'd support disambiguation and it's probably the best end result in this case. Hey man im josh (talk) 23:31, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I created these redirects based on the temporary unsponsored names that will be in place for the duration of the 2026 FIFA World Cup. I checked all the terms and redirected those that didn't already were redirects. For those that were existing redirects, I placed a hatnote on the target pages mentioning the World Cup venues. I'd be fine redirecting them to 2026 FIFA World Cup#Venues instead as per @Thryduulf:, but prefer turning them into disambiguation pages given the ambiguity. Clog Wolf Howl 04:51, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Clog Wolf. This looks like a case of theoretical ambiguity but not ambiguous in practice. Are any of the stadiums in Category:Sports venues in Boston known as "Boston Stadium" (with a capital S)? -- Tavix (talk) 16:14, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Clog Wolf and Tavix. It might be worthwhile moving the mention of this alternate name to higher up in the article. A7V2 (talk) 04:10, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Toronto Stadium
Appears to be ambiguous based on Category:Sports venues in Toronto. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete search engine results prefer Rogers Centre (the SkyDome) to BMO Field, and historically, it should be Exhibition Stadium (The Ex) at Exhibition Place ; and for the collegiate minded, the UofT stadium Varsity Stadium -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 02:56, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- There is definitely no cause for deletion here. Either there is a single best target or it should lead to a disambiguation page or list (see the comments at #Boston Stadium. Thryduulf (talk) 15:46, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Per the article:
during the [2026 FIFA World Cup], the stadium will be temporarily renamed to "Toronto Stadium" in accordance with FIFA's policy on corporate-sponsored names.
This looks like a case of theoretical ambiguity but not ambiguous in practice. Are any of the stadiums in Category:Sports venues in Toronto known as "Toronto Stadium" (with a capital S)? The ones that 65.92.246.77 mention would be examples of "Toronto stadiums" (lowercase s). -- Tavix (talk) 16:21, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply] - Keep or refine to BMO Field#2026 FIFA World Cup where this alternate name is specifically mentioned. Ideally if kept as is then the alternate name should be added to the lede somewhere. A7V2 (talk) 04:12, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dallas Stadium
Seems ambiguous to me based on Category:Sports venues in Dallas. The target is also in Arlington, Texas, not in Dallas. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:02, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment it is where the Cowboys play... -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 02:58, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, it is. There are also a number of other teams that play in and around Dallas, as reflected in Sports in Dallas and Category:Sports venues in Dallas. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Per the article: during the 2026 FIFA World Cup,
the stadium will temporarily change its name to "Dallas Stadium" in accordance with FIFA's policy on corporate sponsored names.
This looks like a case of theoretical ambiguity but not ambiguous in practice. Are any of the stadiums in Category:Sports venues in Dallas known as "Dallas Stadium" (with a capital S)? -- Tavix (talk) 16:23, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply] - Keep or refine to AT&T Stadium#2026 FIFA World Cup where this alternate name is specifically mentioned. Ideally if kept as is then the alternate name should be added to the lede somewhere. A7V2 (talk) 04:14, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PVTTIMHALL
Gamma squeeze
Either delete the redir or fix the content of the redir target article. The Short squeeze article currently has no mention of "gamma" or "gamma squeeze" whatsoever. N2e (talk) 10:39, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Fixed nomination which was malformed. @N2e: You need to place the nomination template below the html line for it to work properly. I've fixed this now. CycloneYoris talk! 10:52, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Quran Afghanistan
Very general term; this Quran doesn't come up in the entire first page of google results. I'm not seeing a primary topic here. Rusalkii (talk) 19:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Likewise Quran in Afghanistan . 19:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rusalkii (talk • contribs)
- I've added that to this discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 19:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete as classic WP:XY. -1ctinus📝🗨 14:12, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- This is not an XY situation at all, as the redirect only refers to a single topic. It may or may not be vague or ambiguous, but it isn't XY. Thryduulf (talk) Thryduulf (talk) 14:44, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete as too ambiguous; there are probably hundreds of Qurans in the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:24, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as primary topic. Which other Afghani Qurans are discussed on Wikipedia? -- Tavix (talk) 19:51, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Isometry (mathematics)
Since the primary topic Isometry is already a mathematical topic, I don't think this should be a redirect to the disambiguation page (which also seems to consist of a lot of WP:PTMs). (Note that there is also Isometry (mathematics) (disambiguation); not sure how much precedent there is for such redirects.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:03, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Does Isometry cover all of the topics on the disambiguation page? If so, I would agree that there is no need for the latter. I am not fluent enough in mathematics to say whether it is. BD2412 T 00:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comment I've left a note about this discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics as I agree with BD2412 and also lack the mathematical knowledge to answer the question. Thryduulf (talk) 10:37, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I think isometry (disambiguation) should be merged to isometry. This is disambiguation page abuse. Tito Omburo (talk) 12:01, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete looking at WhatLinksHere there are no pages that link to it, page views are typical 0 and never above 2, so I don't really see the page serves any purpose other than cause confusion. --Salix alba (talk): 12:41, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect Isometry (mathematics) to Isometry and change the title Isometry (disambiguation) into a redirect to Isometric. Content currently at Isometry (disambiguation) should be merged to Isometry and put into a section about examples, including some explanatory context (i.e. this should not just be a plain list of article titles); if that's too much work for someone right away, these could conceivably be added to Isometry § See also. Isometry (mathematics) (disambiguation) is a completely absurd title and should be deleted –jacobolus (t) 17:12, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Given the current state of the isometry article i think the contents of the disambiguation page should be selectively merged into the lede to this article (in particular it is baffling that there is no mention of Euclidean isometries in the lede there). jraimbau (talk) 07:22, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Subcarpathian Polish Athletic Association
No mention at target. Only hit on google is MOSiR Stadium (Stalowa Wola). Cremastra (talk) 00:32, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, refers to this organization: Subcarpathia: Polish Athletics Association. It seems to be a literal translation --Habst (talk) 12:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete No mention of Subcarpathia at target. The organization mentioned by Habst seems to be a subsidiary organization of the Polish Athletic Association specifically for the region, but the redirect isn't useful if we have no information on it. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:41, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Presidentman, how about adding a list of regional organizations to the Polish Athletic Association article? --Habst (talk) 17:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm happy with keeping if information is added. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:57, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete per Presidentman. May be recreated when regional organizations are added to the target. Jay 💬 18:33, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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N3rd
Probably ought to be a dab page as can conceivably refer to White N3rd of LuvBug or N3RD Street (which really ought to be at N3rd Street). Am I missing something? Launchballer 11:47, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi i am not sure how this eneded up being a redirect from n3rd street, my bad! It should be it's own standalone musician page for N3rd (he changed his name from White N3rd and yes is a part of Luv Bug who have their own wiki page already) Tommonovisio (talk) 17:49, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi is it possible to assist me please, so that the N3rd page can exist but we fix the issue where it became a redirect? @Launchballer Tommonovisio (talk) 20:03, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Hello @Tommonovisio:. I can advise that I redirected N3rd back to LuvBug as none of its claims were backed up by reliable sources; after removing them, the article did not assert why he was important or significant. If you can provide sources to back up your claims, feel free to try again, but consider starting in draftspace (i.e. Draft:N3RD).--Launchballer 00:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay thanks I will try to find references to verify the accolades/claims! Tricky thing is that he mostly writes tunes for other people which have had success, more so than his own releases.. Tommonovisio (talk) 17:42, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Nerd (disambiguation) and itemize there. The street and the performer can be listed a stylizations of "nerd" (the street is pronounced that way, even though it originates as North Third ) ; it is also '1337'-5p33k spelling of nerd -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 02:19, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Retarget to the dab per the ip editor. Thryduulf (talk) 10:39, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep with a hatnote to LuvBug if you want. The street is pretty clearly primary here (since it actually has its own page), and there's only WP:ONEOTHER possible target, so this is the ideal setup. No one searching 'n3rd' specifically is going to be looking for any other extant uses of the term. A second hatnote to the dab page would probably be overkill, but still preferable to redirecting there outright. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:38, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- So, this is a little more complicated than I first realized...I missed some of the history and the repeated recreation/deletion of White N3rd. But I still think the street is primary here. And with only two possible targets, one primary, redirecting to the big dab page would be very unhelpful. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yonama dialect
No search hits on the target page or on Google. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:11, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The placename Yonama (与那間) in Tokunoshima actually exists, so it's probably an undocumented dialect that's only extracted by the existence of the toponym. If that's the case, it can be deleted.
- My redirects were taken from a .xlsx spreadsheet concerning metadata of Ryukyuan dialects, which is located in the .zip below.
- https://repository.ninjal.ac.jp/records/2000162 Chuterix (talk) 11:22, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Soundtack for guitar hero world tour
This is the final one of the questionably plausibly misspelled "soundtrack" redirects I'll be listing here for now. This thing used to be a stub article about the soundtrack (the initial version of which can be found here) for seven minutes on July 28, 2008 until it was turned into a redirect for the relevant section of the game's article, then about a month and a half later it was taken to the present target. It also hasn't been getting very many pageviews nowadays, so I'm not really sure we need to keep it lying around. Regards, SONIC678 06:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep the metaphor "lying around" doesn't apply. If you hadn't raised this TfD, this TfD would have got no views, no votes, taken no disk space. It's so much cheaper to leave things like this than to have a discussion about them. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 21:49, 2 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]
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- Keep. As per WP:CHEAP and Rich Farmbrough; save for the lack of capitalization (which isn't necessarily an error, given this redir would also scoop up "Soundtack for Guitar Hero World Tour" requests), this redirect has only one error, being, the word 'soundtrack' is missing one letter. We really don't need to worry about this one. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 12:56, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Rich and Lunamann (welcome back LM!) - a redirect should really only be deleted (in my view) if it's pointing to the wrong place or actively doing harm in some way - just being slightly non-standard or unpopular isn't enough justification for deleting a redirect, as they are cheap and could help someone. BugGhost🦗👻 13:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, soundtrack is not hard to spell, and those 7 minutes of source-less stub should have never existed. Probably minor enough to not need to be nominated at RfD, but if we're here, we're here; this is not a necessary redirect and maintains the idea that "its okay to duplicate topic content at misspelled locations and keep it forever". Sonic678 honestly you probably should've just moved this redirect to a better title imo; it keeps the (admittedly dubious) history, fixes the typo and saves us from having to talk about this one here. Utopes (talk / cont) 15:46, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Got it. I'll get that taken care of. Regards, SONIC678 21:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Le métro de Tony Hawk
ß-carotin
Srishti
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Jamie Jungers
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Mindy Lawton
Grood
Kerrek
Not mentioned at target. There is The Carracks, as well as multiple mentions at Critical Role campaign one. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:48, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to The Carracks since that is actually a dedicated page with a legit translation that is already in bold to satisfy MOS:BOLDREDIRECT. Linking to a character from Critical Role could be done separately if we really wanted to Kerrek (Critical Role), but I don't recommend it. There are no incoming character redirects at the campaign or the list of characters, so it doesn't seem necessary. -2pou (talk) 18:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Asplode
Not mentioned at target, but there is a Wiktionary entry at wikt:asplode (which does also mention the full phrase in the quotes). 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:44, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- retarget asplode to wikt:asplode, delete the other two, don't explode any heads cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:19, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget all via
{{wi|asplode}}
per nom. I think all three can be kept since they are captured by the quotation examples. -2pou (talk) 18:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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KGVC (FM)
Not mentioned at target, highly implausible search term given parenthetical disambiguation. AusLondonder (talk) 21:27, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment KGVC appears to be another station owned by Radio Free Palmer. It's even mentioned on their website. The FCC site (link 1) states that the radio station is currently silent, and List of radio stations in Alaska lists it as "defunct." I'm torn between deleting to create an article or redlink or simply adding a mention. There's also KGVC-LP, which I guess could theoretically be an alternate target. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:57, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- (edit conflict) Comment the disambiguator is highly plausible for sequences of four letters starting with W or K as many articles about US radio stations are titled this way. As for this series of letters, it's complicated: This was previously the call sign of a radio station in Alaska, that is now defunct (according to KGVC and List of radio stations in Alaska). KVRF (AKA Big Cabbage Radio) was the parent of and/or is the successor to that station and/or now uses that call sign (different hits on google). Complicating matters is that KGVC-LP was also an FM radio station. Ideally I think this would redirect to the KGVC dab page as a {{R from incomplete disambiguation}} but unless content is added about the former station in Alaska that is just a single-entry dab page, with no other notable uses found by google (it's not an airport, the post-nominals are actually two separate ones: Knight Companion of the Order of the Garter (KG) and Victoria Cross (VC)). While the low-power (LP) station is the only one we have content about, it's the one with the lowest claim to primary topic status based on Google hits. Confusing me even further for a while was Google including hits for KVGC, a radio station in California, in all my search terms. I'll drop a note about this discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Radio Stations. Thryduulf (talk) 22:17, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- When the Alaska station FID 198603 existed, it nominally was the primary topic, though it never merited an independent article and would have been a redirect to KVRF. The station operated for less than seven years on this license and was functionally replaced by a new facility, KVRK FID 765583 , though Radio Free Palmer at one point intended to move KGVC out to complement its coverage area. (KGVC was shuttered because its tower site was reused for KVRK.) I recommend deleting this redirect, redirecting KGVC to KGVC-LP, and adding a hatnote: "KGVC redirects here. For 91.5 MHz in Glacier View, Alaska (2015–2022), see KVRF." (That article needs adjusting to even mention KVRK.) I also recommend redirecting KVRK to KVRF and instituting this hatnote there: "KVRK redirects here. For 89.7 MHz in Sanger, Texas (2004–2015), see KAWA (FM)." We need in this field to make more use of hatnotes to substitute TWODABS that nobody truly needs. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 02:15, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I think this is a good solution. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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North Takoma
Though this redirect is mentioned in the target article, I believe this redirect would be better targeting a non-fictional target: retarget to North Takoma station or weak retarget to North Tacoma, Tacoma, Washington. Otherwise, disambiguation may be necessary. Steel1943 (talk) 21:25, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment if retargetted to the station then the target should have a hatnote to the settlement in Washington. Thryduulf (talk) 21:29, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Agreed. Steel1943 (talk) 21:30, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Thryduulf: I made a major change to my nomination statement (diff) for reasons which ... may be self-explanatory when looking at the section below. I'm letting you know in case this affects your comment. Steel1943 (talk) 21:37, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the note, I was busy researching the history of the below redirects (it's very annoying when WikiBlame keeps timing out) when you withdrew the nomination. As for my comment, I don't currently have an opinion about which of the three targets is best, but whichever is chosen there should be hatnotes to the other two. Thryduulf (talk) 21:46, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Disambiguate as no clear primary topic, Google seems to return more results for the Springfield meaning but its probably reasonable to say no clear primary topic. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:48, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Disambiguate as no primary topic – North Takoma station is an acceptable partial title match, and I don't think a briefly-mentioned fictional place is likely to be primary over a real station with its own article. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Methodist High School
This redirect was created by moving Methodist High School, Kanpur away from the title, but I really don't think the primary topic of "Methodist High School" is this one particular Methodist high school. (One could argue that it's WP:DIFFCAPS, but I'm not sure.) The best target I can find for the general concept of Methodist high schools is Christian school § Methodist, but it's a very short section that doesn't mention high schools in particular. jlwoodwa (talk) 00:49, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Convert to disambiguation pbp 02:24, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Convert to DAB page - looks like there's a lot of schools that have similar names with articles, and the Kanpur school is not the primary topic here. BugGhost🦗👻 13:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Universal Studios
"Universal Studios" is typically used to refer to either Universal Pictures, the film studio (as a nickname/former name), or the various theme parks around the globe named "Universal Studios" that are operated by Universal Destinations & Experiences. The parent company of both divisions is also named Universal Studios, Inc., which is where universalstudios.com points to (versus universalpictures.com and universaldestinationsandexperiences.com). Universal Studios currently redirects to Universal Studios, Inc., making it an unnecessary disambiguation, but a recent RM ended with no consensus for a move. Previously, the redirect pointed to Universal Pictures. I'm not convinced a primary topic can be determined here, given the two- or three-way split, so I would call for turning this redirect into a disambiguation page. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Electing for disambiguation per nominator's rationale. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 00:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Universal Pictures (second choice is disambiguation) – At the very least, we have a rough consensus here against Universal Studios, Inc. as the primary topic, with some in that discussion leaning toward Universal Pictures instead. Universal Pictures was originally titled Universal Studios for more than a decade until an undiscussed technical move occurred (never got the discussion it deserved). Then recently in May, the redirect was changed to point to the parent company article instead of Universal Pictures (again, no discussion until this month).
- Best case I can present here is that the number of monthly pageviews Universal Pictures receives dwarfs every other Wikipedia article covering some aspect of the company. Outside of Wikipedia, it's much of the same. When you visit the main company's website, the film IP is front and center. When you visit their theme parks, film is front and center there too. Marketing? Yep, still front and center. The entire company revolves around (and depends on) it's film intellectual property, despite having a presence in other areas. Clearly, "Universal Studios" is a term that is most closely associated with the motion picture division of the company. The only other real competition here is Universal Destinations & Experiences, but per WP:DISAMBIG#Deciding to disambiguate, we simply place that in a hatnote like it is currently at Universal Pictures. If someone really feels a disambig page is necessary, we can add that to the hatnote as well. Simple.
- BTW, even if the result is no consensus, the redirect should revert back to its former target, Universal Pictures. There doesn't appear to be consensus for that change either. --GoneIn60 (talk) 19:44, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll preface this by saying that consensus is presumed unless reverted, so we do have four months worth of implicit consensus for Universal Studios' current target, and many years worth of implicit consensus for Universal Pictures' current title.Now, let me present a counterargument. If you look up "Universal Studios" on any search engine, depending on where you are located, you'll most likely see results for the theme park closest to you. For me, it's Universal Studios Hollywood, but you might get Universal Studios Florida, Universal Studios Japan, Universal Studios Singapore, or Universal Studios Beijing. What you likely will not see is Universal Pictures, the film studio, because the word "Studios" does not appear anywhere in the name "Universal Pictures"; it's simply being used as a shorthand or nickname. If you look at sources that discuss the film studio and theme parks, most use "Universal Pictures" to refer to the studio and "Universal Studios _____" to refer to the parks. I don't dispute the fact that Universal Pictures is more notable/important/popular than Universal Studios (the theme parks), but what's the evidence that readers are likely looking for Universal Pictures (a non-title match) rather than the many other pages whose title contains "Universal Studios" when they search the latter term? InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:26, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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consensus is presumed unless reverted
" – I know you know I'm a longtime editor (15 years in fact), so you don't need to explain implicit consensus to me, probably just like I don't need to explain to you that it's also the weakest form of consensus that only exists UNTIL "disputed or reverted" (either qualifies). It should be clear I've disputed it, but even if that escaped your attention, did you already forget about this revert by Intrisit? Or how about this revert by 162 etc.? Perhaps I should also take a moment to point out that STATUSQUO is just an essay with zero bite, since you've used it as justification in one of those reverts."we do have four months worth...for Universal Studios' current target
", "many years...for Universal Pictures current title
" – Really? Prior to May, we had 7 years for Universal Studios → Universal Pictures! You can't see this in the immediate history, because the redirect was overwritten in December 2023 by a page move, but it had been like that for years following the 2017 technical move I linked above. 4 months doesn't hold a candle to 7 years, but regardless of the comparison here, presumed consensus is non-existent at this point. It's the same deal regarding the "Universal Pictures" article title. The article was previously titled "Universal Studios" for nearly 14 years, nearly double the amount of time it has been titled "Universal Pictures". Arguing in favor of recent presumed consensus while conveniently ignoring the previous presumed consensus that existed for a greater length of time doesn't make any sense. Your "preface" didn't do your counterargument any favors."If you look up "Universal Studios" on any search engine...
" – I think it's time you move away from this notion of relying on a basic web search for the premise of your argument. You did this in the previous discussion, and I showed back then (as I'll do now) that these are misleading arguments to bring to the table without proper context. The problem with using Google in the manner you are doing so now is that the "top hits" are tailored to advertising. SEO marketers exploit weaknesses in Google's search algorithms, such as PageRank, to game the system and push to the top of search result rankings. The problem continues to get worse each year, despite improvements made by Google and competing search engines. What you are witnessing in the results is bias; a bias toward marketing/selling/advertising. A better test would be to use Google Books, search on "Universal Studios" in quotes, and then on the results page, refine the results by using the dropdown "Any document" and selecting "Books" only (IMO, the other formats are more likely to cover travel and leisure in the form of advertising, skewing the results). Now what you'll find is that the first page is 4 hits movie studio, 6 theme park. There are some Econoguide and other travel-type publication hits on the next couple pages that favor theme parks, but from page 4 through page 10, the hits are predominantly the movie studio, and by a wide margin. I didn't spend time digging beyond that, but feel free, as this is a more reliable result that holds more weight. Do you find that interesting? I certainly did.In any case, this may not be the so-called evidence required, and a disambig page is still an acceptable alternative, but let's not pretend that the recent change to the redirect back in May has any kind of standing consensus. Should this discussion end in no consensus, you can bet I'll be reverting that change. --GoneIn60 (talk) 10:29, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]- I recognize implicit consensus is a weak form of consensus; I was addressing your previous statement that there was "no consensus" for the redirect's current target and Universal Pictures' article title — this is not accurate, although there may be stronger consensus for an alternative.14 years and Google Books are because Universal Pictures used to be known as Universal Studios, not because Universal Studios is currently the common name for Universal Pictures. My search engine example was an effort to put ourselves in readers' shoes and surface what they are most likely looking for. As I noted in the RM, I agree it's not perfect, but it still shouldn't be entirely discarded. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:30, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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there was "no consensus" for the redirect's current target...this is not accurate
" – My statement is entirely accurate, and either you don't seem to fully understand the concept, or you have misinterpreted my statement. Presumed consensus did exist from the time the redirect was changed in May up until the time the recent RM discussion was underway. But it disappeared, poof, vanished, during that discussion as soon as it became obvious that editors disputed the May redirect change. This is why presumed consensus is not worth spending so much time dwelling over or using as a basis for an argument; it is extremely weak. Consensus through editing is no longer presumed when disagreement becomes apparent. As for Universal Pictures, I assume you're referring to the "undiscussed" move comment I made about never getting the discussion it deserved, but I never mention "consensus". You may want to start using quotes to make sure you're getting it right."Universal Pictures used to be known as Universal Studios
" – I am not following this logic at all in how this relates to 14 years on Wikipedia. Are you trying to draw a correlation between the two that is factual, or just sharing an opinion? Google Books is something concrete we can look at and take into consideration. You're welcome to contribute something as well. The web search, however, is the opposite: flawed and uninformative.There is also another angle to consider that I pointed out in the RM discussion (which BTW you seem to be avoiding). The pageviews count (1) at Universal Studios, Inc. shot up drastically following the redirect change, which comes as no surprise since we all pretty much agree the redirect change was the wrong move. This is just more supporting evidence of that. It's worth seeing that first and then comparing the pageviews count (2) at the former target, Universal Pictures, you'll notice the 8k+ dropoff that could have happened didn't really happen. A little fluctuation, but not much. The article's traffic essentially holds steady. This implies that Universal Pictures was likely to get that traffic regardless. Kind of an important aspect to consider as well in addition to Google Books and the other points made. --GoneIn60 (talk) 18:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]- I don't know how accurate this is, but according to Universal Pictures' infobox, it was formerly named Universal Studios, so I assumed this is why the Wikipedia article was only moved in 2017 and why some Google Books results use "Universal Studios". If the infobox is wrong, please correct me. Yes, I was referring to your comment on the "undiscussed technical move" of Universal Pictures, and perhaps I shouldn't have paraphrased that as "no consensus", but it seems you were implying that the undiscussed technical move indicates an absence of consensus for the current title.Regarding the pageviews argument, I no longer claim that Universal Studios, Inc. is the primary topic for "Universal Studios", so I don't contest that Universal Studios should not point to Universal Studios, Inc. I am calling for it to be disambiguated because I don't think Universal Pictures is more "primary" than Universal Studios Hollywood, Universal Studios Florida, et al.Interestingly, my Google Books results look different than yours. My first page yielded similar results, but pages 4–10 actually had mainly results for the theme parks. Perhaps more telling is that most results for the film studio pertain to the studio's "classic films" (typically the monster movies), i.e. when the studio was (presumably) named Universal Studios. These results were more or less identical when signed out in an incognito tab, so I'm not sure why you got such drastically different results. In any case, while I still don't think we should discard "regular" search entirely (this is how most of our readers navigate the web, not through Google Books or Google Scholar), I took a look at Google Scholar, and the results are similar to Google Books: 5 about the theme parks, 1 about the parent company (hmm, interesting), 3 about the film studio, and somehow the Masterminds production notes ended up on the first page. Second page onward are predominantly about the theme parks, with some monster movies sprinkled in. Google News is virtually all about the theme parks. Are you getting similar results? InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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it seems you were implying that the undiscussed technical move indicates...
" – Nope, simply saying it didn't get the discussion it deserved, full stop. In that discussion, we would have found out if it had consensus. I'm not claiming to know what the outcome would have definitely been."I don't know how accurate this is, but ... it was formerly named Universal Studios
" – Company infoboxes, especially when they're collapsed like that, rarely get the attention they need to be accurate. This one has an entry for 1996–2014 that is conflating the company with the motion picture division (you can read this in the body), which actually demonstrates the point I'm trying to make! "Universal Studios" is often used interchangeably to refer to "Universal Pictures". People often do this. Books often do this. Editors on Wikipedia apparently do this (thanks for the example). Just another real-world example of why it's harmless for the redirect to point here.You're missing the point about the the pageviews data. I already acknowledged we all agree about the parent company. This is what you need to focus on. More than 8,000 monthly hits at that redirect (people navigating to "Universal Studios") were taken away from Universal Pictures, yet this went nearly undetected in the average monthly views on that page. The traffic there essentially stays the same. I don't think we can ignore something like that."...when the studio was (presumably) named Universal Studios
" – So here's what's going to happen. I'm going to explain this, and you are going to move onto the next perceived flaw you can find and see what you can expose. But nevertheless, the company originally opened as Universal City Studios in 1915. Its film division has always to some extent been known as Universal Pictures (there may have been a "Company" tacked on at one point in the mid 20th century). But what you'll notice is that there are books, newspapers, and magazines published from the 1920s all the way through the 2010s that still state "Universal Studios" when casually referring to either the company or the film studio. Interestingly, even from the very beginning, they preferred to drop "City" from the name in publications. Also, it didn't seem too important to distinguish "Universal Pictures" from the main company name. Seems they were always viewed predominantly as one and the same.That's my personal understanding based on how the terms are interchangeably tossed around in sources. Only in official business relations or documents (or on screen) is extra care seem to be given to "Universal Pictures", which doesn't make it the common name, nor does it necessarily make it a good article title. As for your Google Books results being different than mine, I'll re-run it and post a list of my results. I don't see why those would be different unless we are running the search differently. Google Scholar is fine, but I think Google News suffers from some of the same bias and should be discounted. It's not a good test for this particular topic/debate. -- GoneIn60 (talk) 21:59, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]- OK, let's say Universal Pictures is often referred to as "Universal Studios" by academic sources (I take issue with this assertion and ignoring other types of sources, but I'm just going to WP:LETITGO and move on at this point). For the sake of argument, let's suppose that the use of "Universal Studios" to refer to the studio is just as common as using "Universal Pictures", which is the name seen in the opening credits of virtually all Universal pictures and therefore recognizable to most readers. But how does this show that the use of "Universal Studios" to refer to the film studio is substantially more common than the use of "Universal Studios" to refer to the theme parks of the same name? The pageviews argument is interesting, but I think we have convincing evidence that it is also very common to use "Universal Studios" to refer to ... well, Universal Studios. If the parks weren't named "Universal Studios", that would be a different story. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:57, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm back after stepping away for off-wiki commitments. At this point, the lack of participation from new editors (aside from 2pou) indicates this debate has run its course. I'm actually surprised it's still open, but I will close with this...Your observation "
the name seen in the opening credits of virtually all Universal pictures
" relies on non-independent, primary sources. I'm sure you're aware from other discussions that when COMMONNAME is invoked, we seek out prevalence in independent sources. We wouldn't treat a primary topic redirect any differently.The pageviews argument is just one of several angles given, along with Google Books (despite our experiences diverging in this RfD, which may need further exploration down the road). Then there's the WikiNav data explored below illustrating that guests searching for "Universal Studios" are not immediately jumping to theme park articles as you would expect after landing in the wrong article. The hatnote is right there at the top, front and center, and this might be the most convincing data to date (though you may find a reason to doubt it as well if you are beyond convincing, but if that's the case, why bother debating?). Redirecting to a disambig page isn't the end of the world. Not terrible, not great, not really optimal, but fine for now. -- GoneIn60 (talk) 08:17, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]- Also back after a few days of absence. The portion of my quote you left out is important:
the name seen in the opening credits of virtually all Universal pictures and therefore recognizable to most readers
(emphasis added). I brought this up because anyone who has seen a Universal picture in the last few decades will likely remember reading "Universal Pictures presents" in front of every film. They won't recall hearing "Universal Studios" anywhere other than (possibly) common parlance or the theme parks ("We're going to Universal Studios!"). This is not advocating for simply adhering to the WP:OFFICIALNAME, I'm making the case that it is the common name precisely because general audiences are so widely exposed to use of the official name. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:26, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Disambiguate - This seems to have clear WP:X or Y (or Z or XX or XY or XZ or YX or YY...) problems. Using the traffic to determine a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT in this case seems flawed. Traffic is going to be driven up because nearly every film from Universal will be linking there as the distributor, skewing the traffic data. You can actually see this as 60% of arrivals to Universal Pictures is coming from other articles (as opposed to search, other namespaces, external, etc.). I wish the WikiNav clickstream worked for Universal Studios, but I think it does not because it is a redirect. Despite the hatnote, people do not get funneled to the Destinations & Experiences page... likely because people arrive via other articles, and they aren't actually searching for one of the Universal Studios parks in those cases. There are just too many options, so a dab page seems to be the most logical solution.
Link to WikiNav clickstream data discussed. -2pou (talk) 19:30, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: Just a preemptive apology to the closer for continuing this very long RfD. The following points need to be made, despite that this round of debate appears to be headed to disambiguation (an acceptable option).
- 2pou: Glad you jumped in and brought up WikiNav. That's where I was going next before getting sucked into off-Wiki commitments. First, I should clarify that I wasn't arguing that Universal Pictures depended solely on traffic from the redirect. This page gets over 100k monthly views, and the redirect is only responsible for approx 6-7k views. My point was that in the 4-month period following the redirect change, its monthly view count remained fairly steady. There was some fluctuation, but not enough to match what the redirect consistently brought to the table. Is it possible that incoming traffic from other sources saw an uptick during the same timeframe? Sure, it's possible, but it's also unlikely.So getting back to WikiNav data... You were on the right track, except we should be evaluating the redirect target "Universal Studios, Inc.", which is where people land when searching for "Universal Studios". This is a point of interest, because in earlier discussion we've concluded that "Universal Studios, Inc." fails as the primary topic. We'd like to get a glimpse of where outgoing traffic is headed. In theory, there should be a significant number landing there unexpectedly, leading to some portion of outgoing pageviews headed toward other "Universal Studios" articles. So what does the WikiNav data reveal? Universal Pictures is the #2 hit with 1,520 targets, and none of the theme park articles are in the top 10...Wow! In fact, you have to expand the top 20 just to see one, where you'll also see a partial title match named "Universal Animation Studios" ranked at #12 (151 targets). "Universal Studios Hollywood" sits at #17 (62 targets), and "Universal Studios Florida" sits at #19 (56 targets). They're barely a blip on the radar in comparison. The page gets a total of 14k monthly views, which as we discussed above owes a big chunk to the redirect (6k+ redirected hits per month) that changed in May. These two sets of numbers can help us draw a pretty reliable conclusion.Even more interesting to me is that the very first link in the article appears in the hatnote which reads, "For the theme parks, see Universal Destinations & Experiences", yet it doesn't even register in the top 20 for outgoing traffic! For all this talk about the theme parks being one of the intended targets for those searching "Universal Studios", that doesn't appear to hold any weight whatsoever according to the WikiNav outgoing data. Something should be registering out of thousands of redirects, but we aren't seeing anything. --GoneIn60 (talk) 07:02, 7 October 2024 (UTC) (updated 16:06, 7 October 2024 (UTC))[reply]
- @GoneIn60: Sorry; I didn't mean to suggest you were relying solely on traffic. I understood that, I just wanted to make sure we don't just look at the number it spits out without considering those factors because it was going to be a very high number regardless. I did look at the Universal Studios, Inc. clickstream, and I, too, found it interesting that it didn't funnel people to any parks. I was discussing the Universal Pictures info because I was looking closer at the long-term history before the redirect was retargeted. While I think the data for Universal Studios, Inc. was interesting, I'm seeing that the data is a bit older. It says the data was dumped in August 2024, so it hasn't actually captured the incoming/outgoing traffic since the retargeting on September 10. Overall, I do lean towards disambiguation due to the sheer number of options, but I do agree that if it were to remain a redirect, Universal Pictures is the better option. Several articles for older films, actors, actresses, directors, etc. link there intending the (now) Universal Pictures page. (Yes, that can be resolved via clerical edits...)
I didn't realize until now that Universal Studios, Inc. was only "created" (via a split and move of sorts by HeroWikia - legacy company still captured at MCA_Inc.) in April this year. -2pou (talk) 18:03, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]- 2pou, unless I'm missing something, this all goes back to the redirect change made in May by MinionsFan1998. So the data in August 2024 would be a valid date range to assess.As for a disambiguation page, I don't disagree there needs to be one. However, I disagree the title of it needs to be "Universal Studios"; instead it should be Universal Studios (disambiguation). We can link to it in a hatnote at Universal Pictures, a common practice described at WP:DISAMBIG#Deciding to disambiguate (and also something I mentioned in my original !vote). Then restore the redirect to its original target (Universal Pictures) based on the evidence provided. --GoneIn60 (talk) 19:28, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh, you're right. I didn't go back through the history far enough when I saw the 10Sep retarget. Thanks for pointing that out.
I don't have super strong feelings about where the dab page goes, but I do have doubts in having Universal Studios, Inc. as the target. -2pou (talk) 00:43, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]- Thanks, and I'm with you about the current target. It's the least qualified for sure. My concern with having the redirect go to a DAB page right off the bat, is that there will be quite a bit of work needed to resolve the issues it creates. There appears to be 3,862 Wikilinks from articles using the redirect, and when you look at a lot of those links, they were created with the intention of directing readers to Universal Pictures.Here's one random example I checked from the list...Piper Laurie. Just read the opening of the Career section and this source (the latter of which was inserted by one of our great copyeditors who sadly is no longer with us). "Universal Studios" is being used in the context of the film studio. We could potentially see many hundreds, if not thousands of these links now land on a DAB page unnecessarily.
- We are left with three options:
- Keep as is – Worst one. Universal Studios, Inc. is essentially the history of "Music Corporation of America", how it came to be, its 1962 buyout of Universal, and everything post-buyout. Many who land here will be confused, as they expect to be reading about Universal's history.
- Retarget to DAB – Better, but far from perfect. Retargeting here will essentially break a lot of these older links that were meant for "Universal Pictures", forcing readers to make an extra hop (and to choose correctly). It will also create the most work moving forward to manually update and correct these links down the road.
- Restore original target → Universal Pictures – Best by far given the # of Wikilinks, along with WikiNAV data on the topic phrase "Universal Studios". In addition, we have some loose off-Wiki data from Google Books that seems to support long-term significance in favor of the film studio (theme parks compete but do not overtake the film studio in this space).
- Knowing what you know now, 2pou, are you still split between options 2 and 3, or do you have a preference between them? -- GoneIn60 (talk) 05:11, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @GoneIn60: The "
Retargeting [to the disambiguation page] will essentially break a lot of these older links that were meant for "Universal Pictures", forcing readers to make an extra hop (and to choose correctly)
" will not be a concern if this redirect is disambiguated, considering an internal Wikipedia project page, WP:DPL, encourages editors to disambiguate links that link to or point to disambiguation pages, and there are several editors who work on this. Seriously, if there is one aspect of Wikipedia I have seen consistent over the past 10+ years, other than article creation, it is the plethora of editors ready to disambiguate links. Steel1943 (talk) 01:08, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even more interesting to me is that the very first link in the article appears in the hatnote which reads, "For the theme parks, see Universal Destinations & Experiences", yet it doesn't even register in the top 20 for outgoing traffic!
The hatnotes (on both Universal Studios, Inc. and Universal Pictures) are new and were added by me on the day I opened the RM that preceded this one. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:26, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]- InfiniteNexus, thanks for pointing that out. I did not catch that in the history. Looks like you added the hatnote on August 31, and I like how you placed both options in there (the main theme parks article and the film studio article). Hopefully we'll get a chance to see WikiNav update soon to show September's data. Its clickstream data dump usually drops in the first few days of the following month, and from what I gather, this is usually processed and displayed about a week later on the 12th. We'll know shortly if the theme park company link in the hatnote became a factor in September.It's also worth noting a few things. Using the "Search" box to jump to your next destination will still be tracked by WikiNav in outgoing traffic. Even without the hatnote, WikiNav would have still been capturing searches from that page. So for Universal theme park seekers getting their searches right on the 2nd try (by being more specific), we would have seen that in the August data. So I'm a bit skeptical we'll see a huge difference, but we'll see. In addition, the version of the article heading into August did contain Universal theme park links in the Takeover section as well as in the navbox at the bottom. To be fair, "Universal Pictures" was more prominent, appearing one section earlier and also in the infobox. GoneIn60 (talk) 08:56, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Retarget to Universal Pictures as the primary topic and {{r from former name}}. The individual theme parks (Universal Studios Hollywood etc.) are partial title matches, so none of them would be reasonable redirect targets. The broader Universal Destinations & Experiences isn't referred to as "Universal Studios", and per GoneIn60's analysis above, people who search for "Universal Studios" alone aren't usually looking for it.I don't see the need for Universal Studios (disambiguation) if it'll only list two other articles. Why not just a hatnote? jlwoodwa (talk) 04:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The fact that the individual theme parks are partial title matches means they are equally plausible candidates for the primary topic as the film studio, which is a zero-title match. A disambiguation page would include Universal Pictures, Universal Studios, Inc., Universal Destinations & Experiences, Universal Studios Hollywood, Universal Studios Florida, Universal Studios Japan, Universal Studios Singapore, Universal Studios Beijing, and Universal Studios Lot. See how it's difficult to prove that the film studio (which, again, does not even include the word "Studios" in its name) is more primary than any of these other candidates? InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:26, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Disambiguate. If anything, I would believe this redirect is the WP:COMMONNAME for the theme parks, but per the above conversation, seems I may possibly be incorrect in that stance. Either way, I oppose "retarget to Universal Pictures" as there's more than one potential subject to claim the nominated redirect as a common name, and the winner of that trophy is certainly not the film production company. Steel1943 (talk) 01:02, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
MrBro
All India Institute of Medical Sciences, Awantipora
Diffusion semigroup
Year of Science
This is not the only "Year of Science" in existence, and such an WP:XNR can be confusing. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:14, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Disambig or listify. There are many different years of science mentioned (mostly but not exclusively in passing) in various articles, and Annus mirabilis#1543 – The year of science and International years of science both exist. It wouldn't surprise me if there are also other relevant articles/sections as the search results contain a lot of irrelevant results too. Thryduulf (talk) 01:14, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Either disambiguate/listify per above or delete. The target and List of years in science come up in Google but the rest of the results aren't for the target so clearly not a Wikipedia specific term. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- WP:BARTENDER this, rather than relist. Disambig seems correct, IMO, I'm not sure we've come up with enough examples to make a full list. Keeping it here is a no-go. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Either Retarget to International years of science or delete to enable easier searching. I can't find anything to suggest that 1543 is referred to as a/the "year of science" other than whatever WP editor labeled it as such. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:11, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. This is an unnecessary, confusing WP:Cross namespace redirect, with no clear unambiguous mainspace target. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:42, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to International years of science as the best match. WP:BARTENDER should definitely apply, everyone agrees it can't stay at the current target. This WP:XNR is harmful and confusing to be in mainspace. Fieari (talk) 23:22, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
John Alston
The target article mentions John Alston a single time, with no further information on Alston as a subject beyond his being an early colonist of Victoria. John Alston could conceivably be turned into its own page, or if not sufficiently notable, given a full section on tactile alphabet. That section could make mention of his being an early Victorian colonist. I propose deletion of the redirect altogether. While retargeting it to tactile alphabet would be better than the current target (especially if given his own section), as is, it wouldn't necessarily be better than the current redirect. Notably, of a random sampling of the colonists listed on The Explorers and Early Colonists of Victoria, I didn't find others that redirected there (or at all); there's no indication why John Alston has special treatment here. In favour of changing the redirect: Alston is one of 713 colonists in the photograph, whereas he is one of 9 names mentioned in the list of tactile alphabets based on roman letters. At least in terms of proportion, he seems more notable as a tactile alphabet inventor than as an early colonist of Victoria. Sarayourfriend (talk) 00:47, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- After reading other discussions about redirects (my first time delving into this part of Wikipedia), I think what I've touched on above is WP:XY and it's best to just delete the redirect. Whether Alston is more notable as a tactile alphabet creator or for his presence in the Early Colonists of Victoria photograph is ambiguous, retargeting the redirect is meaningless if neither page goes into more than a single detail about him regardless. Sarayourfriend (talk) 01:08, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- This was a stub for less than an hour before being BLARed by a user other than the creator to the target on the basis of WP:1E. It might be worth restoring that article without prejudice to AfD given that the nominator has raised the possibility of this person being notable. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:40, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
October 8
The Red Palace
Thanks to the "The", a book The Red Palace is the primary topic for this title, so this seems like a WP:REDYES WP:PLA situation. Cremastra (talk) 14:51, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Move The Red Palace (novel) to The Red Palace. Al qasr al ahmar is known at the Red Fort, so naturally disambiguated as Kuwait Red Fort, but it isn't known as "Red Palace" to my knowledge, but more importantly in any RS I can find (and Google: "red palace" +Kuwait). It was definitely a fort: it was never a palace. I've edited the article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Disambiguate at Red Palace or otherwise move the film, the title without the article goes to a building in Birmingham but I doubt its primary so per WP:DABNAME this would be the correct title for a DAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Meetup/Ada Lovelace Edit-a-thon 2024 Cornell
List of Grand Theft Auto Advance characters
No such list or section at target. However, Grand Theft Auto Advance#Setting and characters does exist, but it does not contain a list of characters. (List of Grand Theft Auto Advance characters is a {{R with history}}.) Steel1943 (talk) 22:10, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Restore redirected article [45] until and unless a valid AFD of the article is done (rather than a unilateral undiscussed and unproposed redirect). Softlavender (talk) 02:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Restore without prejudice per Softlavender and WP:BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 11:33, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Pinging Czar since they WP:BLARed List of Grand Theft Auto Advance characters in 2015 [46]. Steel1943 (talk) 12:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retain. Grand Theft Auto Advance#Setting and characters is a perfectly valid target and alternative to deletion for character lists that are clearly without sourcing for independent notability. The plot section covers everything the reader needs to know about these characters. Sending this unsourced "list" to AfD is needless process unless you think deletion is a better outcome than redirection here. If the "list" title is the issue, then rename as "Characters of Grand Theft Auto Advance" but you'd still have the old title pointing to that redirect. czar 13:51, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll add that many, many "Lists of GameTitle characters" articles redirect to their parent articles' Plot sections same as this does. It's a common redirection because these character lists are just as commonly created, almost always without regard to sourcing. czar 16:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete There is no way that the original LoC would survive AFD, and the game itself is only 10ish hours, so even a (new) character section as redirect target seems overkill. – sgeureka t•c 09:07, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retain per Czar. Softlavender and Thryduulf suggest restoring and sending to AFD for procedural reasons. as Sgeureka recognizes, this will surely fail to be retained at AFD, which as Czar correctly points out, will likely lead to a redirect. I see no reason to go through that process. Thryduulf points to WP:BLAR, but I see nothing there requiring us to restore it or go through AFD, since no one appears to be arguing for the article to restored.
I'm confused by Steel1943 and Sgeureka's insistence that the redirect target be an actual list. Grand Theft Auto Advance#Setting and characters is a fine target without any modifications. We can and routinely do redirect list titles to articles which discuss the list subject but aren't lists. Daask (talk) 14:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply] - Do not Keep/Retain as no list exists at the target. Other list redirects may exist but because they haven't yet been discussed at RfD. Agree with Czar's compromise of moving the BLARd page to Characters of Grand Theft Auto Advance and refine to Grand Theft Auto Advance#Setting and characters. Make it a move without redirect and delete the other nominated entries. Jay 💬 13:47, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete. I agree with Jay in that there is no list; someone using this redirect-- which would require someone looking for a list-- would be WP:ASTONISHed to find themselves here. Thus, I disagree with the idea that retaining this redirect is a good idea. I also question the idea of renaming these redirects, given WP:MOVEREDIRECT. Is the history of this page truly important enough to keep that we should rename the redirect in order to prevent it going away when the redirect is deleted, given the extremely low likelihood of it being brought back to a proper article (given its unsourced and non-notable nature)? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 01:06, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- delete. not present, history had no sources cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Predictions of the end of Facebook
If a reader typing predictions of t into the search bar (after seeing such an article for Google or Wikipedia) stumbles upon a page like Predictions of the end of X which redirects to X social media platform, they may be given the potentially false impression that the article on X may contain information about such predictions and may end up wasting their time scrolling through the article only to potentially conclude that no such information may be present. Sure, they were "merged" into their respective articles, but their poor usefulness is still a problem. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 17:38, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep End of Facebook and refine to Facebook#Userbase, the last paragraph of which has content on predictions of the end of Facebook. Weirdly enough I can't actually find anything like that for Twitter, despite the widespread doomposting after Musk bought it, but I would expect it would be worth a sentence or two at least in Twitter under Elon Musk or Acquisition of Twitter by Elon Musk. Rusalkii (talk) 19:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep of Facebook one: mentioned but I don't think it's that plausible a search term, nor something it makes sense to link to from other articles, but it does no harm. Delete Twitter one unless mentioned somewhere, in which case (weakly) keep or retarget as appropriate. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 21:09, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Refine the Facebook one per Rusalkii, above. Delete twitter one, it can be recreated if/once information about the many news articles speculating about the end of twitter under Elon is added to an article. Fieari (talk) 01:34, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Just tagged Predictions of the end of Twitter as {{R from merge}}. Note that Predictions of Facebook's end would also need to be retargeted if the nominated one is. Jay 💬 09:37, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Refine the Facebook one per Rusalkii. Delete twitter one per Fieari. No prejudice against recreation if a suitable target exists. Daask (talk) 15:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Kid Speedy
Template:Highlights
Draft:Engineering
First Americans
Hm. First American only links Indigenous peoples of the Americas, though maybe should link Peopling of the Americas as well; if not, then the plural "First Americans" should be considered unambiguous given the other disambiguation page entries. The last redirect points at a series of historical fiction books, which is probably not the primary topic. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:55, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Seems like all of these should redirect to Indigenous peoples of the Americas. Yuchitown (talk) 21:05, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- First Americans and The First Americans should both point to Indigenous peoples of the Americas because nothing on the First American dab page could be plural other than "Indigenous peoples of the Americas". First settlers of the Americas should be deleted as it could mean several things, gets no views, and has no incoming wikilinks. First North Americans should definitely stay as is, because it can only mean the book series previously at that title; it is virtually never used to refer to indigenous peoples. Bottom line: retarget the first, keep the second and fourth, and delete the third. Station1 (talk) 06:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support this suggestion. That sounds reasonable. Yuchitown (talk) 10:28, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Station1: What else could First settlers of the Americas mean? It looks unambiguous to me. jlwoodwa (talk) 21:18, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Aside from Indigenous peoples of the Americas versus Peopling of the Americas, the first thing that popped into my mind, rightly or wrongly, was European colonization of the Americas. Station1 (talk) 03:39, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- I support Station1's solution. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:51, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Japanese opera
Suggest deletion: the target article does not mention opera. The topic of Japanese opera is likely a notable one and this should be red link per WP:RED Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:09, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 07:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Noh. "Japanese opera" is a phrase used in that article. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Both Noh and the arguably more "operatic" Kabuki could plausibly be called "Japanese opera", and often have been: "Kabuki is Japan's opera. Dramatic storylines featuring sword-fights, ghosts, and love affairs are brought to life by gorgeously clothed performers." Theatre of Japan explains this well enough. A look through google suggests Japanese opera could only ever be a disam page, although there are some modern Western-style operas. Johnbod (talk) 15:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Disambiguate to Musical forms of theatre in Japan and its principal traditional forms Noh and Kabuki. – Fayenatic London 15:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete As-is, this redirect is incredibly confusing: it brings the unsuspecting reader to a page that says nothing about opera. That said, what did the searcher expect to find? An opera company or theater in Japan? An opera written by a Japanese composer? A native Japanese opera-like theater genre? Garbage in, garbage out, we should not answer an open-ended question with a random response or even a collection of these. Викидим (talk) 19:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, what they would have expected to find is presumably something fitting in Category:Opera by country. So maybe garbage out, but definitely not garbage in. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree with you that this interpretation is the most plausible. Alas, we do not have a text similar to French Opera. Викидим (talk) 20:35, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone
Baba Saheb Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar College of Agricultural Engineering and Technology
R with history. No mention of Baba Saheb, Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar College of Agricultural Engineering and Technology at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:18, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep See [47] from the university's site. Relevant section: "Baba Saheb Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar College of Agricultural Engineering & Technology, Etawah was established during the year 1994-95. This college is a faculty of Technology of Chandra Shekhar Azad University of Agriculture & Technology, Kanpur-U.P." -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep and Add Mention - A list of all colleges contained within this university would be warranted for the article. Assuming notability has already been established, using a primary source for basic information about itself shouldn't be remiss. Fieari (talk) 04:36, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All-Star Batman
Shady Sheehy
Pokémon Fushigi no Dungeon Red (plus that other one)
Alicia Douvall
A redirect here is not appropriate as it could also redirect to Celebrity Love Island. I vote to delete the redirect to encourage article creation. Launchballer 16:52, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. This was an article before it was turned into a redirect in 2017 and still gets 20 hits per day. Deletion would remove the history. And although her name is listed and linked in the Love Island article, what little info there is about her is in a paragraph in the Celebrity Big Brother article. Station1 (talk) 07:26, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Democracy Index
I'm not sure how primary the Economist index is for the title-case name, but these should point at the same target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:42, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- (1) Democracy Index: I too am not sure how primary the Economist index is. On the one hand one could say that a generic term should point to the general article rather than an article about one particular index (though to be pedantic, the generic term would be "Democracy index", not "Democracy Index"). On the other hand, I can think of reasons why keeping the present redirect might be better. The article Democracy indices mentions a number of indices, but the Economist Democracy Index is the only one containing the expression "Democracy Index", which could be taken as indicating that it's a primary meaning, as it is probably the one most likely to be searched for under those words. There's also the fact that the redirect Democracy Index was created by moving the article which is now titled The Economist Democracy Index, but which had been at Democracy Index for 16 years (apart from a period of 32 minutes when a disruptive editor moved it to another title, and it got moved back quickly) so changing the redirect title could break links. There are currently 588 internal links to it, and there may be external links, or links on individual users' computers or whatever. taking into account all of those considerations, I am in favour of keeping the redirect Democracy Index → The Economist Democracy Index.
- (2) Democrasy Index: This is an almost pointless redirect. It has had 2 views in the last 30 days (compared to 9,892 for Democracy Index. I therefore don't think it matters a lot what happens to it. However, "Democrasy Index", unlike "Democracy Index", is not contained in the title of any particular index, so there isn't any particular index with any claim to be a primary meaning. There's also a case for saying that in the absence of a strong reason for doing otherwise it's better to leave it where it is, because someone somewhere may expect it to be there, though in this case that's an extremely weak case. My conclusion is that, as I said above, it doesn't matter a lot what happens to this redirect, but on balance I just about prefer leaving it where it is.
- (3) I don't find the argument that the redirects should both point to the same target convincing at all. There's no reason why what happens if someone searches for one title should be influenced by what would have happened if they had searched for the other.
- WP:TLDR abbreviated version: Keep them both as they are. JBW (talk) 21:44, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to The Economist Democracy Index. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 22:12, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Democracy Index as is. Virtually everyone searching for or linking to Democracy Index is expecting this topic. In fact, the article really should be at the more concise title. The redirect averages 312 hits per day (huge for a redirect), almost 15% of its target's total, and double what Democracy indices gets.[48] Delete Democrasy Index as an unlikely misspelling. It has no incoming links and almost no views. No one will miss it. Otherwise leave as is or point to The Economist index; it's utterly unimportant. Station1 (talk) 03:45, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Democracy Index pointing to the Economist. Retarget the misspelled one here as well. A bit of looking around does seem to suggest that this one gets the WP:PTOPIC, and if people are looking for another index, there's a hatnote to the more general article as well. Fieari (talk) 06:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Tighten
let's try this again... closed before with no consensus, with votes torn between... everything, really. opinions? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- for the record, my vote will be to retarget to tight cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. EurekaLott and Presidentman in the last discussion explained in detail why this is the best option and, unless something very significant has changed in the last 2 months (and I haven't spotted anything) then everything they said still applies. Thryduulf (talk) 00:25, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Pinging those who commented in the recent discussion: @Duckmather, Red-tailed hawk, Eureka Lott, Presidentman, BugGhost, Pppery, Godsy, BD2412, and Steel1943:. Thryduulf (talk) 00:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Bugghost: fixing the ping. Thryduulf (talk) 00:28, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Redirecting a dictionary word to the misspelling of a film character's name is downright wrong and astonishing. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:29, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- you'd be surprised to know that that's not actually a misspelling. i mean, it is a mishearing of "titan", but that's kind of the entire point, and he's referred to as "tighten" in the credits lmao cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:39, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- should clarify that this isn't necessarily a keep vote, it's just "don't delete as a typo" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:53, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Disambiguate. Per WP:SSRT,
only topics with a less-than-encyclopedic scope that are commonly wikified words or that are repeatedly recreated should become soft redirects
(emphases mine). This word is neither commonly wikified (indeed, there are no mainspace links that point to it), nor has it been repeatedly recreated. But because it might reasonably be a search term for multiple items on Wikipedia, and none seem like an easy primary topic, a dab page should suffice. My view has not changed since the prior discussion. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 02:11, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per my reasoning at the prior discussion. As Thryduulf notes, nothing appears to have changed here. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 02:17, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I suggest adding a {{Wiktionary hatnote}} at the very least. Seems rather WP:RASTONISHing though. By the way, I also checked whether tightening exists, but apparently we only have The Tightening. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per last discussion. Nothing has changed since last time. Would be fine with a hatnote at Megamind#Cast to Tight (or wherever else) if someone feels this is genuinely ambiguous or a likely search, but have no real strong feelings. BugGhost🦗👻 17:56, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I acknowledge I was pinged. Steel1943 (talk) 23:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Chiming in with a Delete vote, although I'm okay with both the idea of retargeting or hatnoting to Tight. Either way, this shouldn't stay as-is, for the extremely simple fact that anyone looking for the extremely common English verb would be heavily astonished to find themselves here-- I struggle to think of a way that Megamind, the movie, is more notable than the English language word that it references as a joke. If we stay at Megamind, it needs a hatnote. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 01:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to tight as a conjugation of that word. Tighten might be the correct name of the character, but I'm pretty confident that the character is not the WP:PTOPIC, even if it is an exact match. It's a minor character, vs a common word. I would not object adding the character to the DAB... other conjugations of the word are already there anyway. Fieari (talk) 07:37, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- While I agree with you that Tight is (possibly) the correct target and Megamind#Cast definitely is not, I do need to point out that Tighten is the main villain of the movie, not a minor character. Just a minor nitpick in a post I otherwise wholeheartedly agree with. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:32, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Tight, and include the character on the disambiguation page. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:17, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Naoki Tanisaki
This redirect is unnecessary and misleading as this alternative name stems from a misunderstanding of Japanese spelling. When Onodera impersonated Naoki Tanizaki, he used a different kanji spelling for his name; it didn't change the way the name wad read and shouldn't change how it's transcribed. MordecaiXLII (talk) 21:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Vote to retarget the redirect Naoki Tanisaki → Naoki Tanizaki, per common mispellings under WP:POFR, which includes "Likely misspellings" as reasons to create redirects. The Kanji 崎 and 嵜 are both read as "さき" (saki), anyway, so it should be categorized as a possible mispelling for Tanizaki.
- I do agree with the nom that there is no reason for it to be redirecting to T-Hawk (wrestler), though. MetropolitanIC (💬|📝) 03:51, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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List of swears
No such list at the target; we shouldn't suggest readers that we do. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:46, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment lists have been deleted multiple times, including following Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of profanities (2006), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of swear words (2007), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glossary of sexual slurs (2006) and (at these and other titles) many times speedily under multiple criteria (usually A3, G3, and/or G4). The deleted content at this title was just a bulleted list of the Seven dirty words with literally no other content. Thryduulf (talk) 18:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I think there is actually scope for some sort of list of lists here, as many of the articles in Category:Profanity and it's subcategories do contain lists (e.g. Four letter word, Italian profanity, Bhojpuri profanity, Mandarin Chinese profanity (almost entirely lists), and Wiktionary has other categories and lists (e.g. wikt:Glossary of Romanian profanity, wikt:Appendix:English censored words, wikt:Category:English vulgarities, wikt:Category:English swear words, wikt:Appendix:Fictional English curse words). We also have Lists of pejorative terms for people, Minced oaths in media, Scunthorpe problem which related lists/articles containing lists but not a suitable target for the redirect. The number of times the various titles have been recreated strongly suggests this is something people are looking for here. Thryduulf (talk) 18:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per WP:NOTDIC and similar consensus and discussions at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 August 26#Redirects to Profanity, Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 September 30#Dagnabbit, and several discussions listed at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 September 4. There's just not consensus for this. Steel1943 (talk) 18:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm honestly surprised this isn't a fucking article, but delete per nom. Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 04:52, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- If it was, then the title would be wrong and/or would have to be speedy deleted as an article that duplicates another article's topic. Steel1943 (talk) 17:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- DABify, or possibly create a list of lists. I think this is a valid thing someone would search for, and we already have the information they are looking for, it just needs to be properly compiled to send them all the lists of profanity that we do in fact already have. Fieari (talk) 02:59, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete since no actual list exists. Why bother with a redirect? Wolfdog (talk) 22:10, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- That's not quite true, no list exists at this title but many more specific lists do. Thryduulf (talk) 10:45, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. No list exists (even assuming the use of "swear" as a noun here is correct). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:59, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- While I'd normally recommend deletion... would it be a bad idea to simply redirect to Seven Dirty Words? It's not a list of literally all English-language profanity, but it is at least a list of some profanity. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 01:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- That would not be a good redirect, as that list is significantly narrower than the search term - for example it omits all non-English swear words (of which we have multiple lists). Thryduulf (talk) 02:01, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Fair point. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 02:14, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- This is why I still advocate for creating a list of lists... since we do have all those lists. Fieari (talk) 07:40, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Likewise. Thryduulf (talk) 10:32, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree there is scope for some sort of list of lists, and nothing in this RfD prevents an editor from creating one, but the title of that list of lists wouldn't be "List of swears". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:00, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ansem
weird case, bordering on nonsensical. read at your own risk, this is the most simple and clean way i can possibly put it. "ansem" refers to two characters in kingdom hearts. one is a nerd who likes cosplaying as a mummy, listed here, and the other is a xehanort who stole the name because boys will be boys i guess. the xehanort seems to be the primary topic (if only because he popped up first and is hotter), but not by much, and kh discourse pretty often disambiguates things by referring to the latter as "ansem, (the) seeker of darkness" (or sod) and the former as "ansem the wise". this title has previously been used for redirects for both ansems and a dab for... both ansems (plus two people who were mistaken for an ansem for a few seconds each). opinions on... really, anything? cogsan (χ-BLADE!) (ouchie ouch) 17:00, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Häxans förbannelser
Towel Trick
3RL
Wikipedia:VB
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 16#Wikipedia:VB
Rabila railway station
Obstipation
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 16#Obstipation
Alison Chabloz
Cards Against Disney
Enigmatic Man
Mr. Bland
Affine cone
Rio Este (desambiguacion)
Gedko Powało
This is a spelling mistake: proper name for the article is Gedko Sasinowic, proper name for the redirect ist Gedko Powała. My request for a speed deletion was reverted [49] Herzog von Teschen (talk) 19:58, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I declined the request for speedy deletion because no WP:CSD apply, and the page was at this title from its creation until 19 January 2024, otherwise I have no opinion at this time on the merits of this RFD. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:DDCB:DE19:D77:8499 (talk) 21:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Also bundle the non-diacritic Gedko Powalo. Jay 💬 12:36, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Relisting comment: Bundling Gedko Powalo into the nomination.
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- Keep - whether or not this spelling is correct (and noting that expecting a single correct spelling of a 13th century European figure's name is somewhat anachronistic), it is attested in this text and thus is a plausible search term. I don't see any indication that this is ambiguous or otherwise potentially harmful. This alternate spelling is made further plausible by the fact that in Polish phonology (and more generally across Slavic languages), the letter "o" is often articulated as a sound corresponding more closely to "a" in western European languages. signed, Rosguill talk 16:01, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Rosguill. Thryduulf (talk) 19:36, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Vocational education and training centers
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 15#Vocational education and training centers
King Roland
Either disambiguate or redirect to List of Sofia the First characters, and target Roland I and Roland II to it, and Minimus is likely mentioned in the nominated target page. Also, I drafted Minimus (disambiguation), but it needs an improvement for the horse character. 88.235.230.49 (talk) 07:30, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Four targets have been proposed by participants. Retarget to any one of them, or disambiguate?
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Shiro sAGISU
Shamrock Airport
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 16#Shamrock Airport
Wikipedia:WikiProject Pokémon/Bulbasaur
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 16#Wikipedia:WikiProject Pokémon/Bulbasaur
Template:Lang1
Banana Guard
Banapassport
Billy Rowan
Charlotte Bishop
Decco Bishop
No entry at the target page, only appears within a reference. Nothing really encyclopedic about this person. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Incorrect that the character appears only within a reference. Decco is mentioned as Samantha Bishop's father, and some relation with Xavier Bishop. However, a better target would be Fair City#Social realism, related to life in prison. Jay 💬 16:00, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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@Jay: Thanks for the tip on the mention; imo that's still WP:SURPRISEing though (at the Fair City subsection), especially if the material changes and the mention disappears, then we'll be left with an unhelpful redirect while that occurs. If people are searching for a character, I'd think they'd expect to end up at a list of characters. This still feels niche enough to delete as the character appears to be exceedingly minor from what I'm seeing. Can always be recreated if there's an entry that gets created later. Utopes (talk / cont) 20:11, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BlockParty (game portal)
Boussh
Burin en-bec-de-flute
January 1, 2003
October 7
IMAX theatre at iSQUARE
2001 attacks
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 16#2001 attacks
Hall Airport
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 16#Hall Airport
Pizzaface
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 14#Pizzaface
Everitt E Boat
Boston's best variety
20 Years of Noise 1985–2005
Ashchf Lshtshfum
Geoffrey Chalmers
Name not mentioned at target. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:
- Comment the previous RfD noted that the McConnohie was credited as Geoffrey Chalmers and that this was mentioned in the article. Mention was hidden by an IP editor in June 2021 with the comment "I'm hiding this source until verified". The information was sourced to [50] but the current version of that page doesn't include the name (I've not investigated whether it ever did). Googling "Michael McConnohie" "Geoffrey Chalmers" finds a lot of hits making the same connection, but every site is either unreliable (IMDB, wikis) or one I have no idea of the reliability of. This needs attention from someone familiar with sourcing in this topic area. Thryduulf (talk) 13:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Anyone willing to take a dive into the sources?
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Tay Keith, fuck these niggas up!
Donald Trump as rhetorician
FZDO
Aero blue
There is no mention of Aero blue in the target page. ... discospinster talk 16:40, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- It existed when the redirect was created (see [51]), though it was un-cited and a fairly poor description, and the also see seems to point to a fairly different color, so it's not surprising if someone deleted that section (and forgot to look for redirects to it) in the intervening 11 years. :) —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:33, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- That version linked to Air Force blue, which also does not mention "Aero blue" currently. Plus it's azure, not cyan! So changing the redirect won't help. ... discospinster talk 20:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more try. The mention at the target was removed — can it be restored with a source? Any other possible target articles?
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Wpedia
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 14#Wpedia
October 6
Scared Shitless
Ø (Disambiguation) (disambiguation)
William B. Cox
Rush Limbaugh/Chicom
Britney Spears 7th studio album (Britney Spears album)
Template:MBTI Instrument
Minister for Cities
Not sure if this is the best target as Minister for Cities (Australia) exists - also not sure if that is the best title for that article either. I'm not familiar with the recent political cabinet reshuffling so there might be content forking between the current target and Minister for Cities (Australia). Fork99 (talk) 02:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Minister for Cities (Australia) since that article is no longer a redirect in and of itself. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 02:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- When I created the redirect (Minister for Cities), I wasn't aware that the Minister for Cities (Australia) page existed already. In that case, I am happy for the redirect to be deleted straight up or redirect to Minister for Cities (Australia). Marcnut1996 (talk) 03:32, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I disagree – if that's the primary topic, it should be moved to the title "Minister for Cities", and if it's not the primary topic then "Minister for Cities" shouldn't redirect there. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:38, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Note I've added the lowercase Minister for cities redirect to this discussion as they should both lead to the same place. The target section of that redirect no longer mentions a minister for cities though. Thryduulf (talk) 09:07, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Set index this and similar titles seem to be created regularly in different parts of the world with none obviously primary. In a few minutes searching I found all the following:
- (some might be duplicates, I've run out of time to sort and sanitise). Thryduulf (talk) 09:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Disambiguate. The UK had a Minister from Cities from 2011-15, before the post was merged into other ministries, see Regional_minister#Developments_since_2010. The UK also has the similarly named City Minister (2008-present), which is actually responsible for the City of London financial district not cities, but could easily be confused. Thryduulf has found several other similarly named positions in other countries. So while the Australian post might be the extant position that most closely matches the exact redirect phrasing, it would be better if both capitalisations led to a Minister for Cities (disambiguation) page. Modest Genius talk 10:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Disambiguate/set indexify per Thryduulf and Modest Genius. Term is too generic for a primary topic redirect to a specific position. C F A 💬 21:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: A requested move was made regarding these redirects and procedurally closed + no consensus because this discussion is ongoing; permalink: Special:Permalink/1240763459. Fork99 (talk) 10:16, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Disambiguate. There is also a Ministry of Cities in Brazil. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Opinions seems split between creating a disambiguation page at the base title, or claiming Minister for Cities (Australia) is the primary topic. (Either way, seems a disambiguation page needs to be created somewhere ... but is that "somewhere" the base title or a title ending with "(disambiguation)"?)
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- Comment: Per CFA, I also think that the title is too ambiguous and generic to have a primary topic - the Australian one might be "extant" per DilatoryRevolution as of right now, but this could change in the future as political portfolios get shuffled around fairly often. Fork99 (talk) 07:34, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Disambiguate/setindexify at minister for cities; as WP:DIFFCAPS it should not redirect to the Australian topic in any case. A generic term and multiple non-Aussie uses; the lower case form would be appropriate for grouping in "secretary" etc. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 21:18, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as the September 16 log no longer shows up at the main RfD page.
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British Music Invasion
List over Swedish Artists by Albums and Singles Sold
List of Dota 2 heroes
Online education
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 14#Online education
26, November, 2006
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 14#26, November, 2006
January 3, 2003
Undermine (Warcraft)
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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===Undermine===
The Undermine is believed to be the home island of the goblins, and is ruled by the Goblin Princes of Trade who hold their slave pens and palaces there. Undermine exists partially on the world's surface, but most of it is underground. It is primarily a series of volcanic caverns, tunnels and chambers that span out of the Isle of Kezan through the ocean floor, connecting to adjacent smaller islands to the west. Aside from the goblins and their slaves, the tunnels are also inhabited by a strange breed of purple-skinned goblins named hobgoblins. They are larger than regular goblins and they rarely live to three years of age. They were created by alchemical experiments on goblin subjects during the Second War.
The goblin capital is Undermine, a city beneath the surface of the island of Kezan. As of December 2008[update], Kezan has not been included in any game in the Warcraft series.
The majority of media in the Warcraft universe takes place upon a planet called Azeroth. This planet has threefour continents, named the Eastern Kingdoms, Kalimdor, Northrend (the world's polar cap) and Undermine (considered home land of the Goblins)...
The goblin capital is Undermine, a city beneath the surface of the island of Kezan. As of March 2009, Kezan has not been included in any game in the Warcraft series. Goblins are a neutral, mercantile race based in the underground city of Undermine.
The Goblin continent of Undermine, has yet to be visited in any entry of the Warcraft series.
- This was removed again @16:25, 25 August 2009: "
as stated before... undermine is not a continent, and the number of major landmasses has not yet been decided due to the fact that there are unknown lands where pandarens and maybe more
". - Text was changed @16:28, 25 August 2009:
Azeroth has four three known continents... Two other major islands are Kezan (where the Goblin city Undermine is located, introduced in WoW:Cataclysm) and Zandalari
Goblins are a neutral, mercantile race based in the underground city of Undermine. the various goblin business cartels based out of the city of Undermine now supply both factions, though they have closer ties with the Horde.
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Procedural relist to finally close the September 12 log.
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- Content was merged to Azeroth (Warcraft) in 2007, and I have tagged the redirect as {{R from merge}}. However the merging user:Atama did not mention the source in the edit summary but only summarized as
Added information about Undermine.
I guess we need to keep the user edit history of the redirect page for attribution. Jay 💬 16:49, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Texvc
Legacy cruft does not warrant a double soft redirect from mainspace. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:14, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep or retarget if a mention is added. The page was moved (without redirect) to project space in 2010 following Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Texvc reached no consensus. The redirect was recreated "since Meta has many links to this page, and I don't have access to a bot to correct Meta". The redirect gets over 400 hits a year with only a handful of days with zero visits, and I can find no evidence of anything else with this name so it's clearly providing value to those using it. I don't know how to filter out all the manpages, package lists, forum questions and programming snippets, etc. to assess whether this is notable enough for a mention somewhere, but someone who does know how to do that should do that. Thryduulf (talk) 19:48, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Since there is no page in projectspace, it is a redirect to an offsite location, this is therefore a redirect to an offsite location, and not the proper use of a redirect. The only proper offsite location redirect in articlespace is Wiktionary. Per Thryduulf's stats, WP:REDLINK to allow creation of an article, should it prove notable. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 21:58, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The only proper offsite location redirect in articlespace is Wiktionary
this is incorrect. While Wiktionary is the most common target of soft redirects in the mainspace it is not the only one. Thryduulf (talk) 22:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: unambiguous. Cremastra (talk) 01:11, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete. Mainspace -> Project namespace -> MediaWiki page = at least one WP:XNR too many. Steel1943 (talk) 23:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Why? In what way is this harming anybody or anything? Thryduulf (talk) 17:53, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- It's too many redirections initially starting in a namespace not related to its final target. Such a title being in the "Wikipedia:" namespace (the redirect's target) makes sense, but not from the article namespace. That, and the acronym seems like it may be a subject which has either WP:REDYES potential as either a standalone article or a subtopic to add into TeX or AMS-LaTeX per the very text on the target of Wikipedia:Texvc. Steel1943 (talk) 18:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- There seems to be no consensus to delete, but this double redirect is messy. Soft retarget to mediawikiwiki:texvc. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 13:51, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Delete, target interferes with searching for mainspace targets such as Texvalley. Not an encyclopedic article, and distracts real searches for real articles. Utopes (talk / cont) 15:29, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Also bundle TeXvc with this. Jay 💬 15:44, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Soft redirect per TechnoSquirrel69, which would resolve the double redirect issue. -- Tavix (talk) 23:21, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Feel status minus Actual status Inconsistency
not mentioned at target (in over 10 years)
seems to be created for listing at dab FAI as the only user, but I'm removing that dab entry as it fails WP:DABACRO and wouldn't be used anyway due to incorrect capitalisation. Widefox; talk 20:37, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- It's an index [52], that could indeed be listed at FAI. The capitalisation *seems* to be correct, although I'm not sure why the authors chose to capitalise it this way. In other sources [53] [54], sentence case seems to be preferred. I don't think there's enough information to write an article, but it might merit a mention at the target. Cremastra (talk) 20:24, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Apologies already for the wall-of-text input:
- The term (with same sort-of-dopey captialization) was indeed added in 2014 (by the redirect's creator) and still present up until a reworking in late July 2021. I have taken the liberty of re-adding the mention, as I discern no reason for its removal (made by an editor inactive since 2023). Per Cremestra and the mention in several papers, it seems notable enough for a mention at the target as well as the FAI dab page.
- I'm dubious as to the usefulness of the redirect due to its length, although it comes up nicely as the only choice when I type in "Feel status". However, if we keep it, I'd like to change the caps; although correctly matching the original 2014 paper's use, it's different on both the 2016 [2] and 2020 [3] papers mentioned by Cremestra. I personally prefer the last, from Social Science & Medicine, which uses hyphens, which seems (of the three styles) most easily understandable and conformant to English usage (and therefore what I used when restoring the text). In one paper's reviews Zaccagni (original paper's lead researcher) acknowledged a lack of facility with English (though the caps weren't explicitly mentioned); I don't know how much leeway we have in choosing a style. I do think it an unlikely capitalization for a WP user to type in, so I would lean toward Keep, but sentence-case it. It just looks wrong otherwise. — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 20:07, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Mention has been added back to the target, but participants have been unsure about the capitalization of the redirect title.
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Farage riots
Negative redirect not mentioned in the target article. A quick Google search doesn't seem to show that is a common term. Borderline speedy deletion candidate. -1ctinus📝🗨 00:11, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- My quick google search showed that this is very much a term that has been used in reliable sources [55][56][57][58] and sources that may or may not be reliable (I've not looked in detail) [59][60][61][62] (and also a use in The London Economic titled "Farage Riots trend as Reform UK kick off conference" the filter won't let me link to). Many of the uses in both sets are quoting Nigel Farage complaining about others using the term, some of them attribute the term to him. I'm not sure whether a mention of the term at either the rioting article or Nigel Farage's article is due, but it's not a suggestion that can be dismissed out of hand. Thryduulf (talk) 00:29, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for the due diligence, but I won't withdraw my nomination unless it is mentioned in the article... non-neutral redirects without sources seems like a BLP violation, doesn't it? -1ctinus📝🗨 00:37, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Newsthump is a satirical website, but the first four sources seem reliable (the Instagram link being a broadcast interview on LBC radio). I've also heard this phrase being used on podcasts and in the media, and the stats[63] seem to show people are searching for it, I think it's a keep. Orange sticker (talk) 14:33, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Good day. I created this redirect not out of agreement with the term, but rather because I had seen the name used to refer to these riots frequently at the time on social medias and on some reliable (and less reliable) news sites, as Thryduulf found. The term is certainly biased, I do admit that I am unfamiliar with Wikipedia's policies around redirects. My rationale was simply to help readers who may know these riots as the Farage Riots to get to the appropriate article.
- Anyway, I understand your reason for proposing deletion. I personally do not have enough knowledge on the subject of the article to integrate mention of this nickname in a well written manner. Regardless of the outcome of this discussion, thank you for editing! Mittzy (talk) 13:11, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Mention has not yet been added to the target or to Nigel Farage. Notified of this discussion at the two pages.
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- Delete, still unmentioned. We're in WP:BLP territory here, so this needs to be cited to a reliable source. -- Tavix (talk) 23:20, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Grabage truck
Mick Armstrong
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 13#Mick Armstrong
October 5
NeoCitran
Relgion in the High Middle Ages
National Sports Administration
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 12#National Sports Administration
Aušautas
Diedievaite
Aušlavis
Karorius
Whoopsie daisy
Not mentioned at target (except in the hatnote). No other words redirect to this target and there is no list of words here (except for a few examples in the Vocabulary section). Per this article, both words are variants of Upsy daisy, which is a redirect to In the Night Garden.... Johnj1995 (talk) 21:31, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - This piece of writing on the topic is quite interesting. No great target for these at wikt:, nonetheless. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 07:28, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any further thoughts?
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- Keep - I actually think the current target is appropriate. If someone wants to know what "whoopsie daisy" means, being directed to the Baby talk article is all the explanation that really needs. (Kinda wish the article had the more formal "Child directed speech" title, but that's neither here nor there...) Fieari (talk) 23:28, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Soft redirect to Wiktionary plausible search term but not related to article. Wiktionary seems appropriate -1ctinus📝🗨 01:42, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, although babies may not understand. In a perfect Wikipedia this may be redirected to Notting Hill, where Hugh Grant said it either as a scripted or unscripted word as a minor although interesting plot point. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:57, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget "Oopsie-daisy" to Oopsy Daisy as a plausible misspelling. Delete "Whoopsie daisy" for having no good target. A randomish example of baby talk shouldn't redirect there, any more than it should redirect to some variant of 'mistake'. And strongly oppose redirecting to Wikitionary, which inhibits searching within Wikipedia, and such a search result includes a link to the Wikt entry right at the top already anyway. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:51, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at the target talk, In the Night Garden..., and Oopsy Daisy.
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Relisting comment: A new target has turned up after the last relist.
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Feminist Perspectives on Eating Disorders
Not mentioned at target. Otherwise, only appears to occur in references on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget A Feminist Perspective to Jo Freeman - one of her books is entitled Women: A Feminist Perspective, which is the only exact match (including capitalization) for the term we have. Neutral on the other two. Tevildo (talk) 23:24, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]- That does not seem to be exactly true, as there is also A Feminist Perspective on Virtue Ethics by Sandrine Bergès, An Introduction to the Old Testament: A Feminist Perspective by Alice L. Laffey, The Pakistan Project: A Feminist Perspective on Nation & Identity by Rubina Saigol, Educating for Peace: A Feminist Perspective by Birgit Brock-Utne (just not mentioned at the article, but could be), and a bunch of articles and essays with this WP:PTM mentioned in articles as well. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Seems like a disambiguation page filled with WP:SUBTITLEs. (I've always wondered if WP:SUBTITLE is a stronger stance than WP:PTM ... guess we will find out.) Steel1943 (talk) 15:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate A Feminist Perspective per the above - or, if we can't disambiguate on subtitles, retargetting it to Feminism or Feminist theory might be an alternative. But we shouldn't preserve the status quo in this case. Tevildo (talk) 07:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete per nom. Disambiguating based on subtitles is silly. No one is searching for a book based on the subtitle. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:17, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Relisting comment: Retarget? Dabify? Delete?
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Delete all. Disambiguating purely on a subtitle (or part of a subtitle) screams of WP:PTM violations. Could any of the works be referred to solely as 'A Feminist Perspective'? If not, then there is no reason for someone to search using the phrase to find that work. -- Tavix (talk) 00:26, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Restore, a credible case for notability has been made below. -- Tavix (talk) 13:35, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the pre-redirect page history of Feminist Perspectives on Eating Disorders in case there is support for deletion?
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Restore and send to AFD. Neutral It appears that the article was unilaterally turned into a redirect rather being sent through the formal deletion process. I suspect it'll fail AfD for non-notability, but we should follow the correct procedures. Tevildo (talk) 19:43, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]- @Tevildo please cite the procedure(s) in question, as i still haven't found anything that states that blars have to be taken to afd for the same reason they got in rfd (and sorry for the ping) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The actual text of WP:BLAR is "If other editors disagree with this blanking, its contents can be recovered from page history [and subsequently sent to AfD]", without specifiying who those other editors are or how they're supposed to express their disagreement (and, furthermore, is not grammatical as it stands - the blanking doesn't have "contents", the article does - but this isn't really relevant). There isn't anything that I can immediately see at WP:RFD#KEEP or WP:DEL-PROCESSES that states an uncontested BLAR is equivalent to an uncontested PROD; if this is the case, we perhaps should add the appropriate text to one of these locations. I agree we can save time in this particular case by deleting the redirect and its history, but, without an explicit guideline, I still believe that removal of substantive content should be discussed at the appropriate venue (AfD or PROD) rather than RfD, which involves the removal of "technical" content only. Tevildo (talk) 19:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Tevildo: You didn't quite summarize the text you put in brackets correctly. The actual text there is
other methods of dispute resolution should be used, such as restoring the article and nominating the article for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion
. The such as
signifies that AfD is one example of a way to resolve the dispute. RfD is method of dispute resolution, thus it is also a proper venue for handling a BLAR. The guidance at WP:RFD you're seeking is actually the very first sentence: Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed.
This is a potentially problematic redirect, thus this is the correct forum to discuss it. If you think the content may be notable then a restore !vote would be valid. But "restore and send to AfD" simply because "it's the correct procedure" is not appropriate. -- Tavix (talk) 20:13, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]- d*ng i got outsped cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- long boring answer: i disagree. as discussed before (read that at your own risk, it's not anyone's finest moment), wp:blar actually only uses restoring and sending to afd as an example of something that can be done (see the use of "such as"), which, at its absolute worst, doesn't disqualify blars from being taken to rfd
- it does not, however, say anything about already ongoing discussions, like... this one, because using rfd for something that is currently a redirect is Cool and Good, as rfd is for redirects of any kind and frequented by people who are no less capable of evaluating blar content than afd regulars (but also that cogsan guy, i hear he's a stinkyhead), and taking blars already deemed not notable to afd would just clutter things by reenacting a discussion and restoring unsourced content
- short answer: this is a redirect, it can be discussed here, even if it has history, though the history isn't looking too keepable cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:37, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- OK, I understand. I still think we should make it explicit somewhere that BLAR > RfD is a valid alternative to PROD, rather than having to infer it from terms like "problematic". I'm not expressing any further opinion on this particular item. Tevildo (talk) 21:59, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- What does PROD have to do with this? -- Tavix (talk) 22:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- i could get behind having more than one example in wp:blar, but even after that one discussion, i'm still not sure what prod has to do with this cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:22, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- and in the meantime,
delete all (not anymore lmao cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:23, 10 October 2024 (UTC)) per[reply]- wp:rfd#delete, criterion 2: the book and feminism in general are not mentioned in the article
- wp:gng (feat. sigcov): from some looking, i haven't been able to find independent info on the book. only the book itself for sale on amazon and an article about fat feminism written in some indecipherable glyphs
- wp:rfd#delete, criterion 10: admittedly dabbling in wishful thinking, but i don't think the book doesn't stand a chance of being notable someday, though that day isn't today
- and delete the third one in particular as vague, as feminists might have perspectives at least one other thing (maybe even more) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Restore the book redirects to an article, from a search on ProQuest (google search is incredibly, incredibly bad at finding book reviews) the book has several reviews from various academic journals and passes WP:NBOOK. I have no opinion on the third one. I will add the sources if no one else wants to. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:26, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Cogsan thoughts? PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:30, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- show sauce pwease :3 cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:38, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Cogsan i am unbelievably lazy and on my phone so i will be copying the proquest headings
- Bookshelf -- Feminist perspectives on eating disorders edited by Patricia Fallon, Melanie A. Katzman and Susan C. Wooley ; London Vol. 344, Iss. 8932, (Nov 5, 1994): 1284.
- Feminist Perspectives on Eating Disorders ; New York Vol. 26, Iss. 2, (Summer 1998): 242-243.
- Book Reviews: Feminist Perspectives on Eating Disorders. Edited by Fallon, Patricia, Katzman, Melanie and Wooley, Susan. New York: Guilford Press. 1994. 465 pp. £25.00 (hb). ; London Vol. 166, Iss. 5, (May 1995): 692-693. DOI:10.1192/S0007125000074924
- Books and resources -- Feminist Perspectives on Eating Disorders edited by Patricia Fallon, Melanie Katzman and Susan Wooley ; Hettinger Vol. 8, Iss. 3, (May 1994): 57.
- Book reviews -- Feminist Perspectives on Eating Disorders edited by Patricia Fallon, Melanie A. Katzman and Susan S. Wooley ; Roslyn Heights Vol. 29, Iss. 115, (Fall 1994): 748.
- Psychology -- Feminist perspectives on eating disorders edited by Patricia Fallon, Melanie A. Katzman and Susan C. Wooley ; Middletown Vol. 31, Iss. 10, (Jun 1994): 1658.
- Book reviews -- Feminist Perspectives on Eating Disorders edited by P. Fallon, M. A. Katzman and S. C. Wooley ; Oxford Vol. 36, Iss. 6, (Sep 1995): 1098.
- Uneasy embodiment -- Feminist Perspectives on Eating Disorders edited by Patricia Fallin, Melanie A. Katzman, and Susan C. Wooley / Understanding Eating Disorders edited by Leann Alexander-Mott and D. Barry Lumsden ; Cambridge Vol. 19, Iss. 2, (Jun 1995): 293.
- All are reviews
- This is just proquest. There are definitely more reviews, and NBOOK requires 2. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- then would putting this nom on hold until someone has the time (and proquest) to go through the reviews to write something around them be a good idea? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:19, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Cogsan I would do that but AFAIK I can't do anything to the redirect unless it is closed. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:26, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- drafting things during rfd time is standard practice. can't name examples of articles being drafted off the top of my head (yars rising might not count, the rfd templates were removed on the spot), but dabs are drafted all the time. thus, i'm 50% absolutely certain that drafting an article would be fine. on the off chance that this ends up not being the case, there's still no harm in a draft (as in a draftspace draft, not a "mainspace during xfd" draft, feel i should clarify that) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:43, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Cogsan voila. Not very comprehensive, there's a lot that can be mined from the reviews, but this says what the book covers and people's praise and criticism for it, which is a lot better than the old article, which said nothing. PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:34, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- haha yes cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:28, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- articleify parakanyaa's draft. no opinions in the "keeping the old edit history" department cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Restore article at the first redirect, point the second redirect to the first, and delete the third, as "A Feminist Perspective" is fairly common in the titles of works. signed, Rosguill talk 13:46, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- i know i should have asked this to tavix before, but why restore as opposed to instating parakanyaa's draft? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 22:31, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I would prefer “restore and then immediately copy my draft on top of it”. Unsure why, I prefer maintaining page history I guess. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:15, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- yes, the question here is "why restore a previous diff, if it's only to immediately replace it?" it'll stay in the history regardless, just seems like a pointless extra step cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:56, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Ohhhhh, sorry I misunderstood you. PARAKANYAA (talk) 17:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I hadn't realized that there was no continuity of history between the article versions--no objection to just instating PARAKANYAA's revision. signed, Rosguill talk 15:47, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Priestess of the Moon
Not mentioned at target. And not even correct if it were - Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos is the original use, and Tyrande Whisperwind before her article was BLARed would also have been reasonable. But none of those mention it either. Maybe retarget to Moon magic or Lunar deity as a last-ditch genericization, but that's well, grabbing desperately to see if anything sticks so I would just delete. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Lunar deity. There are some works that claim Priestess of the Moon as the protagonist. Ahri Boy (talk) 01:54, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete seems apropos per nom. IznoPublic (talk) 03:00, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Enheduanna who was (high) priestess of the moon (god). The only uses of the phrase on en.wp are in relation to her. Thryduulf (talk) 11:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The search results are almost all about the game character [64], in fact, I'm struggling to find anything not related to the game [65]. Leaning delete. If the capitalisation were different, I'd be more inclined to retarget, but it isn't, so I'm not. Cremastra (talk) 22:52, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Retarget (where to?) or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 13:05, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Enheduanna was the "priestess of the moon god Nanna", not the "priestess of the Moon". Not mentioned at Lunar deity. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Un assiolo. I think we should just let the search function do its thing for this particular search phrase --Lenticel (talk) 00:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Retarget? Delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 19:41, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Moon deity, where Moon worship redirects to. A priestess of the Moon or Moon priestess would be a priestess related to Moon worship, following common English usage, regardless of where this exact spelling is used. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 22:19, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete to reveal search results. There seem to be quite a few articles that mention a priestess of the moon. However, I don't see a good general topic on the subject. Lunar deity does not cover the subject (the articles we do have on the subject do not not establish priestesses as deities). The Moon isn't mentioned at Priest. -- Tavix (talk) 22:46, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the pre-BLAR page history in case there is support for deletion?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 17:04, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Lunar deity, the actual page that Moon deity redirects to. We're not alleging that the lunar deity IS the priestess; we're alleging that a "priestess of the Moon" would likely worship one of the deities mentioned at Lunar deity, and thus, that the information presented at Moon deity is the most relevant information to the given search. It also serves as a bit of a disambiguator-- if the searcher wanted specifically a priestess of, say, Artemis, the Lunar deity page links to Artemis, where the reader can read about the arktoi at the sanctuary of Artemis at Brauron. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 23:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, three too many hoops to jump through. No mention of "priestess" at lunar deity, nor is there discussion of anyone, priests or priestesses who worship such a deity (besides cultures "having moon gods"). A priestess is not a lunar deity so there is little affinity. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:00, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Adam Angligena
Nerubian
Not mentioned at target. Mentioned once in passing at Mummy (undead) and at World of Warcraft: The War Within but neither of those have enough substance to support a redirect. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisting comment: More options came up after the 2nd relist.
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