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July 20

2024 Syrian parliamentary election

Article: 2024 Syrian parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  In Syria, Bashar al-Assad's (pictured) Ba'ath Party wins the 2024 Syrian parliamentary election. (Post)
Alternative blurb:  In Syria, the Ba'ath Party (leader Bashar al-Assad pictured) is declared the winner of the parliamentary election
News source(s): AP/ABC Al Arabiya
Credits:

Nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Was it a free and fair election, no, but it was still a national election and deserves a spot in the news per ITNR Scu ba (talk) 03:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support ALT with "declared winner" language as is consensus for dubious elections This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:13, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt per above. The Kip ^(contribs) 04:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the picture of Assad who was not standing for election. If ITN/R requires some compulsory record of this rubber stamp process, then we only need the rubber stamp. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article is of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:38, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 19

RD: Ray Reardon

Article: Ray Reardon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sky News
Credits:

Nominated by Fats40boy11 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Welsh professional snooker player and six time world champion. Fats40boy11 (talk) 11:45, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support an FA, so there should be no prose/sourcing concerns. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:58, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support FA quality, no issues. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Kevan Gosper

Article: Kevan Gosper (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 7News
Credits:

Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:B4E6:BF25:CCA1:9374 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Bryan Krippner (talk · give credit) and Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Australian sprinter and IOC administrator. 240F:7A:6253:1:B4E6:BF25:CCA1:9374 (talk) 09:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Sheila Jackson Lee

Article: Sheila Jackson Lee (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Announcement via her official Twitter, CNN
Credits:

Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)

American congressional representative from Houston. Will update with a proper news source once available - CNN reported it live just minutes ago. The Kip ^(contribs) 03:01, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: A remarkable woman who dedicated her life to public service. Article is also updated with sufficient quality. Tofusaurus (talk) 03:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support an impactful and long-serving member of the United States congress. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:29, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Supporrt Blurb, shes an incumbent congresswomen Lukt64 (talk) 06:32, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect, barring maybe the sitting House Speaker, a single congressperson doesn’t come particularly close to the level of a blurb. The Kip ^(contribs) 07:09, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:18, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Assignments and memberships need references. Stephen 09:13, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Iryna Farion

Article: Iryna Farion (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Kyiv Independent
Credits:

Nominated by Gödel2200 (talk · give credit)

Ukrainian politician who was assassinated in Lviv. Gödel2200 (talk) 02:19, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment 1 statement needs citations; once that statement is either sourced or removed, then this can be posted. Jaguarnik (talk) 02:42, 20 July 2024 (UTC) Support all statements have been provided with a statement. The article should be good to go.Jaguarnik (talk) 05:33, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:16, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Stephen 09:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Toumani Diabaté

Article: Toumani Diabaté (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Point
Credits:

Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)

Mooonswimmer 22:46, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose A few unsourced statements and typical of musicians, the discography is uncited.yorkshiresky (talk) 07:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) ICJ case on Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories

Article: ICJ case on Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  The International Court of Justice finds the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories to be a violation of international law. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian Reuters Haaretz
Credits:

Nominated by Boud (talk · give credit)
Created by Sakiv (talk · give credit)
Updated by Nishidani (talk · give credit), Boud (talk · give credit) and Buidhe (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Boud (talk) 22:32, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support as the court noted, this ruling has significance beyond Israel and Palestine (t · c) buidhe 23:28, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article looks good. Very notable indeed. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, notable and far beyond the scope of the ongoing war (the request for the case was registered by the ICJ in January 2023). I'm afraid the "Reactions" section might be a bit too unbalanced, as the vast majority of the people quoted are Israeli politicians. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 01:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support for notability and international significance. ArkHyena (talk) 01:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability particularly because the ruling says Israel "should put an end to its illegal occupation of the Palestinian territories, desist from creating new settlements, and evacuate those already established." Currently, the formatting of the reactions section is suboptimal, and should be broken into subsections; for example, see the South Africa's genocide case against Israel article. Gödel2200 (talk) 01:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. BilledMammal (talk) 02:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability and quality. --NoonIcarus (talk) 02:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Somewhat oppose on quality only - the "Oral Presentation" and "Reactions" sections, as typical, are just lists of any thrown reaction to this ruling and should be neither trying to be complete nor simply presented as a list. The Oral Presentations should likely be made into a narrative to describe the major points made by the countries as a group, for example, not how each country presented. Also, if we can indicate that this is a non-binding verdict (because Israel, nor the US for that matter have signed onto the ICJ recognition) in the blurb, that would be helpful. --Masem (t) 02:44, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per all above. The Kip ^(contribs) 02:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support And for once I have no concern with the list-y sections. The first is a part of the court proceedings, right? And it's well-written even if it looks like flag soup from a glance. The reactions is not the best, but it's less "X from Country said thoughts and prayers" and more relevant people reflecting on material consequences. Do I like the bullet layout for the reactions? Not particularly, but (even considering the page protection) it seems like a valid way to stop that section becoming a repository for unsubstantial responses. Kingsif (talk) 03:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
the problem with the court proceedings is that we don't normally document cases to that level. When and where they happened, sure, and the broad scope of the arguments, but just listing what each country said without further context is not really helpful. — Masem (t) 04:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominal support: Significant ruling from the ICJ, but as we did not post previous ICJ rulings on the conflict, I am not sure whether there is a precedent for posting this either. Tofusaurus (talk) 03:54, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The most recent ICJ case proposed for posting was the South Africa v Israel genocide case in January, but iirc that was a preliminary ruling and was also considerably more weak in content (basically politely asked Israel to not commit genocidal acts, and politely asked Hamas to release the hostages), so it ultimately didn't develop consensus to post. By comparison, this is a far more concrete ruling, and this case has been running since long before the war broke out anyways. The Kip ^(contribs) 05:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per all above MAL MALDIVE (talk) 06:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As Israel isn't part of this system and the court has no way to enforce its rulings, the impact should be as minimal as when another uninvolved party declares as much. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Stephen 09:19, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted blurb) RD/Blurb: Nguyen Phu Trong

Article: Nguyen Phu Trong (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: General Secretary and former President of Vietnam Nguyễn Phú Trọng dies at the age of 80. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)
Updated by Inclusion Activist (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mooonswimmer (talk • contribs) 12:06, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blurb ~~Support RD~~, he had been General Secretary of the Vietnamese Communist Party since 2011. World leaders are definitely notable enough 5.57.241.186 (talk) 12:18, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD While one unsourced statement remains, that shouldn't hold up the article going to RD. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:59, 19 July 2024 (UTC) Oppose The China section is unsourced. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've edited that section and added the sources. Inclusion Activist (talk) 13:13, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Blurb ~~Support RD~~, he was the most powerful leader in Vietnam, and argubaly one of the most influential since the country's reunification. He was also the only leader to have hosted Biden, Putin and Xi this year. --Inclusion Activist (talk) 12:53, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Blurb due to his notability as (former Vietnamese president until 2021 and as) General Secretary until today, being the highest-ranking leader and basically holding the power in the country. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 13:11, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing in the article suggests why he would be a major figure. Just simply holding a major political position is not sufficient for this determination. We need details of how he was influential and the like. — Masem (t) 14:36, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"During his tenure, Trọng pursued a wide anti-corruption campaign, implicating numerous senior officials to a degree unprecedented in Vietnamese political history. His foreign policy, known as "bamboo diplomacy", sought to balance Vietnam's relations with both the United States and China. Trọng is considered one of the most influential Vietnamese leaders since Hồ Chí Minh." Directly from the article's lead. Have you read it, per chance? 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 14:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If that is truly that significant (and it could be, I don't know), there should be far more commentary around this topic, typically in a type of Legacy or Impact section though it doesn't necessarily need to be there. It cannot be just a demonstration of a factual account of his role in the government. — Masem (t) 16:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Just simply holding a major political position is not sufficient for this determination." Haven't we always blurbed world leaders, though? Trong led his country of over 100 million people for 13 years, and his governance was evidently consequential. Kurtis ^(talk) 00:37, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD Considering the position of General Secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam is the powerful leadership position in Vietnam and under his tenure witnessed the increase of international standing of Vietnam when it comes to diplomacy such as the country's relations between superpowers like China, Russia and the United States. Toadboy123 (talk) 16:22, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb Not every world leader should receive one. Not ready for RD as it needs some sources and MOS:SANDWICH issues to be resolved. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:52, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
CN's have been resolved. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 18:15, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb I think any incumbent world leader that dies in office should be blurbed. Article looks good and IMO two cn tags shouldn't prevent it from getting posted. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Succession What matters most is the person that is in charge now. According to the Reuters report, President Tô Lâm has now assumed those duties in an acting capacity, pending a party decision on what to do next. We should blurb both the death and handover together. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:08, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fair point, the Sec. General in Vietnam is the position of power per List of current heads of state and government, and thus the position change is ITNR. — Masem (t) 18:11, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait I'm confused. The page lists general secretary as head of government, but Prime Minister of Vietnam says it is head of government? – Muboshgu (talk) 18:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The PM of Vietnam article says that the PM is the head of govt. & the President of Vietnam article says that the President is the head of state, but neither of those positions is considered the most powerful official in Vietnam. The General Secretary article says that the General Secretary is the most powerful official in Vietnam (& that person is sometimes the President as well). Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:00, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In communist countries, as communist party is the sole ruling party, the general secretary is in charge of running the party structures across the country while prime minister in general is responsible for running the cabinet and governmental ministries of the country - Toadboy123 (talk) 18:48, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb As per above, also support posting his successor when the time comes, or adding to the blurb that Tô Lâm succeeds him as acting GS Sharrdx (talk) 19:21, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability Incumbent world leaders dying in office are pretty blurb-worthy. Bremps... 19:31, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb He was the most powerful leader in the country with a long tenure, serving from 2011 to 2024. He died in office which is pretty notable since he was serving a record-breaking third term. Vnsg304 (talk) 23:12, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb rare death that qualifies for blurb IMO. Death of de facto state leader has immediate political impacts. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:31, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb as de facto state leader dying in office. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 01:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted as blurb Stephen 02:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mention the Succession That's what makes this R, rather than RD, after all. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) July 2024 global cyber outages

Article: July 2024 global cyber outages (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  A faulty software update causes global cyber outages. (Post)
News source(s): skynews
Credits:

Nominated by Osunpokeh (talk · give credit)
Created by Panamitsu (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Article hasn't been updated but if reporting accurate then this is definitely notable enough. Impacts include flight groundings and emergency phone services. [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 07:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe worth creating a 2024 CrowdStrike outages article? [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 07:36, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks to be at July 2024 global IT outages currently. Ionmars10 (talk) 07:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright we ball. Draft:2024 CrowdStrike outages [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 07:41, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support in principle, one of the largest IT outages in a long time (ever?) and causing clear issues all across the globe - the July 2024 global IT outages article however is not ready for posting. --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 07:44, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think July 2024 global IT outages or 2024 CrowdStrike outages would be the appropriate target article. Plus, the CrowdStrike article is tagged and has some issues. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:49, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle Worthy of ITN for sure, but only issues on quality, as the article is short. Then again, at the time this comment is written, July 2024 global cyber outages article contains pretty much everything that is know about the issue, so... Melmann 08:46, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support a blurb for July 2024 global cyber outages - I suggested a simple one above, edits welcome. Sam Walton (talk) 08:58, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle per above comments. Mellk (talk) 09:03, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on significance, oppose on article quality The subject is definitely ITN-worthy, but the articles is not, being essentially just a poorly-curated list of specific individual impacts. Thryduulf (talk) 09:13, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support With airlines grounded and medical services restricted, this is huge. I've been expecting global dependence on the internet and such software to become an existential risk comparable with the pandemic and here we are. Picking up the pieces will take some time, the impact outweighs the uncertainty. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
left-pad taught us nothing, apparently. Bremps... 22:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, serious disruption covering a variety of industries worldwide and over 1,000 flights have been cancelled thus far. ―Panamitsu (talk) 09:44, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Stephen 10:06, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Post-post comment: Just so you know, I've added a few live-blogs on the article's talk page, so you can use them to help expand the page and make it less patchy than it currently looks. Oltrepier (talk) 10:22, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Article is not of great quality. Yes, it ticks the long-enough box, but its just listing events and has no real structure or narrative to it. This is not representive of how we normally write articles on news coverage for an encyclopedia. --Masem (t) 11:58, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment As pointed out above, the article is not of sufficient quality and mostly presents a list of individual impacts. This was another bad posting.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pull Article quality is really bad. Can we revisit this in 12h+? Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:02, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pull until article quality is improved. Bait30 ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 17:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting support Unsurprisingly the article has improved with lots of eyes on it and there is no need to pull now. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:11, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- It still has the problem that it just making a list of incidents, now grouped by field than by country. These articles should be written far more narratively, not trying to describe each singular incident since this was a clear global problem. — Masem (t) 02:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Of course the article can be improved, but it is plainly not so bad that it has to be yanked immediately from the Main Page. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:11, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: M. S. Valiathan

Article: M. S. Valiathan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Eminent cardiac surgeon and MAHE's first Vice-Chancellor Dr M S Valiathan passes away
Credits:

Nominated by Pachu Kannan (talk · give credit)
Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit) and Pachu Kannan (talk · give credit)

Added some references. Still there is manual of style tag in the article. Pachu Kannan (talk) 09:24, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article looks very much improved. Great work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:07, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 18

2024 Nigerian general strike

Article: 2024 Nigerian general strike (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  The Nigerian government and trade unions agree to a national minimum wage increase, concluding weeks of negotiations after a nationwide general strike. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters; Bloomberg; This Day
Credits:

Created and nominated by Grnrchst (talk · give credit)

Grnrchst (talk) 12:54, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The article says that "The country's national grid and its airports were shut down on 3 June 2024, as were banks, hospitals and schools...The following day, the NLC and TUC suspended the strike, pending talks with the government over raising the minimum wage.", but it does not indicate that a situation like that was occurring at the time the deal was agreed upon. I think that this would only warrant a blurb if something at the scale of what was happening on 3 June was also happening at the time of the resolution. Gödel2200 (talk) 02:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Cheng Pei-pei

Article: Cheng Pei-pei (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:D4D8:CC5F:57E2:43F2 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Dmhll (talk · give credit)

Chinese actress. 240F:7A:6253:1:D4D8:CC5F:57E2:43F2 (talk) 02:39, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Filmography seems to be a common stumbling block. Bremps... 19:33, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Abner Haynes

Article: Abner Haynes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC Sports
Credits:

Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:D4D8:CC5F:57E2:43F2 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Nohomersryan (talk · give credit)

Member of the Chiefs Hall of Fame. 240F:7A:6253:1:D4D8:CC5F:57E2:43F2 (talk) 01:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Article needs ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready) RD: Lou Dobbs

Article: Lou Dobbs (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Newsweek
Credits:

Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Relatively good shape. Natg 19 (talk) 20:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose While article is in relatively good shape, there's ten cn tags. Support I've fixed the issues at hand. Article looks ready. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bob Newhart

Article: Bob Newhart (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Needs work, but a big name in entertainment.Natg 19 (talk) 20:03, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regrettable oppose On quality. Article needs ref work. I would support a blurb once issues are fixed, but I feel that the article needs a legacy section or something to reflect the impact he had on the comedy world. Obits are calling him a legend and the "dean" of deadpan comedy. I'm sure something reflecting how he influenced a generation of comedians/had a massive impact on the comedy world would be beneficial. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:09, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not Ready Referencing is quite poor. This is going to need some work. [Side note: GOD DAMN IT!] -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:26, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support when Refs Updated A hair shy of a blurb. CoatCheck (talk) 20:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support I know him mainly from his original monologues which were often played on BBC Radio. It's easy to imagine a similar incredulous skit about Wikipedia – "and you let anyone edit it!?" The article is fine - mostly the usual busywork remains but that's not significant. I have clarified that his famous stammer was natural, not affected, and that's the sort of detail that actually matters. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:59, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not ready. This is still orange tagged with many explicit inline CN tags and unmarked unsourced paragraphs. Thryduulf (talk)
I'm open to a blurb (if the article is improved) as someone who reached the pinnacle of their profession. Per the NYT, Newhart "basically invented the stand-up special" and had a eponymous comedy TV show whose finale is still "viewed as one of the greatest finales in television history", so much so that the NYT ran an separate article about it after Newhart's death. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 18:22, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, although somebody citeneeded-bombed the page. Randy Kryn (talk) 05:31, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready) RD: Fresia Saavedra

Article: Fresia Saavedra (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Universo
Credits:

Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:08, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support It's a bit on the short end, but there are no issues with the content in the article. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:06, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 17

RD: Pat Williams (basketball)

Article: Pat Williams (basketball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:

Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:D4D8:CC5F:57E2:43F2 (talk · give credit)
Updated by HopalongCasualty (talk · give credit)

NBA executive and co-founder of the Orlando Magic. 240F:7A:6253:1:D4D8:CC5F:57E2:43F2 (talk) 01:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

not ready There are several outstanding citation needed tags. Thryduulf (talk) 09:19, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bernice Johnson Reagon

Article: Bernice Johnson Reagon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:

Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Thriley (talk) 01:50, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not ready, numerous citation needed tags. Staraction (talk | contribs) 01:56, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not ready same issues remain. Bremps... 19:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement

Article: 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  In Bangladesh, protests against the reinstatement of the Quota system of Bangladesh Civil Service leave six people dead. (Post)
News source(s): Gulf News
Credits:

Nominated by Gödel2200 (talk · give credit)

Ongoing protests in Bangladesh. The article needs some copyediting, and currently has an empty section. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:57, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Despite a frowned-upon gallery section, the article seem alright for mainpage posting. Seems major. Bremps... 19:04, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I agree with you on both points. 64.114 etc 19:18, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, the protests seem to be growing in both size and violence. Article looks solid enough. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The Kip has a point to this. Solid article, growing protests. 209.121.102.221 (talk) 20:29, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose Article is tagged with a copy editing tag. Will support once it's addressed. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:31, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now until something substantial happens. Protests are commonplace in every corner of the world and are not automatically ITN-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:27, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, six people died. Hundreds are wounded. Bremps... 21:45, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now Not the best prose and poorly formatted. Of dubious notability for ITN Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 02:53, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support – The copyedit tag is a bit of a problem, but I think the article is in a good state overall. I think the correct date for this is probably July 16, when the Chhatra League fired on university students. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:27, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support clearly important to a lot of people Kasperquickly (talk) 09:21, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Important and well-cited article. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 09:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality. Apart from a lot of poor prose, there are uncited statements (some contentious) together with a lot of "he said, she said" material which doesn't appear to match the sources. For example, the sentence In light of these events, the Prime Minister questioned the education of the protesters and described their behaviour as "very regrettable" is sourced to this, so the first part of the sentence is synthesis from the source, and the words "very regrettable" don't appear at all. Or this section In the early hours of 16 July, at around 12:15 am, members of the Chhatra League attacked Jahangirnagar University students using firearms is sourced to this in which firearms aren't mentioned. And this is just a couple of the English sources I've looked at, not being able to read Bengali which makes up at least half of the sources. Black Kite (talk) 10:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Over 100 deaths^[1], total mobile internet shutdown, 7.5 million Bangladeshi diaspora can’t communicate with their relatives, they have no connection with their family and beloved one, don’t know even if they are death or alive, ^[2] military curfew imposed ^[3] ^[4]!! We guys can wait and carry on other best/important things!! Pathetic world!! 2A0A:A546:7913:0:A5AA:AB38:D931:A81D (talk) 05:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: David Morrow (commentator)

Article: David Morrow (commentator) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 9News
Credits:

Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:A573:E493:327E:FFAE (talk · give credit)
Created by Aussiesportlibrarian (talk · give credit)
Updated by RayneBlox (talk · give credit) and LibStar (talk · give credit)

Australian sports commentator. 240F:7A:6253:1:A573:E493:327E:FFAE (talk) 13:02, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article is in good shape with no CN tags. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 05:54, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest that his death should appear in the body of the article and once that's done, this is good to go. Schwede66 02:06, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Posted Stephen 02:19, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Muscat mosque shooting

Article: 2024 Muscat mosque shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  A mass shooting at a mosque in Muscat, Oman, leaves nine people dead and more than thirty others injured. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Al Jazeera, Reuters, AP News, France 24
Credits:

Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
Created by TheLibyanGuy (talk · give credit)
Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit)

Ainty Painty (talk) 04:32, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability such incidents are rare occurrence in Oman and majority of deaths are of foreign citizens therefore it is notable but article currently needs a bit expansion. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 05:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability I agree with the Prince of Punjab. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:1441:FA7C:FF75:8B58 (talk) 06:01, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support; it is sure agreeable that rare occurrences are notable for being rare.2605:8D80:325:ABB8:9C9B:AB1E:5AFC:DE95 (talk) 06:03, 17 July 2024 (UTC) Incoherent rationale. Struck through. Bremps... 19:07, 17 July 2024 (UTC) [reply]

What’s with the sudden increase in these oddly-worded/near-nonsensical votes popping up on ITN/C lately? This is at least the fourth or fifth vote I’ve seen from an IP in the last few weeks that could’ve conceivably been AI-generated. The Kip ^(contribs) 07:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it's... weird. I don't think it's AI, but I'm far from certain. Kicking222 (talk) 13:41, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support even though the article does need a bit of an expansion. 64.114 etc 06:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on quality as target article’s barely longer than a stub. Weak support on notability, given the rarity of such attacks in Oman. The Kip ^(contribs) 07:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality due to the length of the article. Also, the article should make it clear that these events are rare in Oman. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:59, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have attempted to make that clear on the article. Bte3000 (talk) 16:18, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Should mention in the blurb that this is the first instance of ISIS launching an attack in Oman. Bremps... 19:32, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on quality 15:56, 17 July 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bte3000 (talk • contribs)

Support on notability, with no comment on quality (haven't read the article yet). Oman is arguably the most peaceful country in the Middle East, so a massacre there—especially if it was done by ISIS or any other terrorist organization—is highly notable. Kurtis ^(talk) 02:08, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Who, what, where, when, why and how are answered. It'd be best if we mention that Oman has never suffered an ISIS attack before. Bremps... 02:52, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The mosque is not notable. None of the people involved are notable. There have yet to be any demonstrated widespread societal effects. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 06:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The article does not do a good job of explaining this in context. The fact that the attack took place in Oman does not seem significant as this is not a secular political issue. It seems to be a traditional expression of religious sectarian violence which goes back centuries. See Terrorist attacks during Ashura. Insofar as ISIS was involved, this makes it common rather than rare. See List of terrorist incidents in 2024 in which the count for ISIS seems to be about 11 for the year so far. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Rwandan general election

Article: 2024 Rwandan general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Paul Kagame (pictured) is re-elected to a fourth term in the 2024 Rwandan general election. (Post)
Alternative blurb:  In an election criticized for being unfair, Paul Kagame (pictured) is re-elected to a fourth term as president and the Rwanda Patriotic Front and allied parties win a majority in the parliament.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit), HapHaxion (talk · give credit) and Number 57 (talk · give credit)

Staraction (talk | contribs) 00:27, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support if ready; generally, news items about general elections always go on the main page. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:54AB:165D:9F95:AB8B (talk) 00:41, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support The article appears to be of decent quality. Gödel2200 (talk) 00:52, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. It is of decent quality. 2605:8D80:325:ABB8:3CC8:AC81:81CB:8A (talk) 03:18, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I agree with all of you. 64.114 etc 03:19, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article is of sufficient quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:25, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This election is of... dubious, shall we say, fairness and the article does not fully reflect that reality. Bremps... 04:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TLDR only two of the eight candidates who wanted to run against Kagame were allowed to run, and Kagame allegedly won 99% of the vote. Bremps... 04:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This was a sham election and the article does not show that. Also, WP:ITNELECTIONS mentions Changes in the holder of the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government but he has been in his office for almost two and a half decades now. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 04:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think this was marked as ITNR because it was a general election, not because it was a change in the executive. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:57, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But the blurb have no mention of the parliamentary elections and mentions only the presidential one. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 16:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The current blurb mentions the general election as a whole, which includes both the parliamentary and presidential ones. It explicitly mentions the reelection of Kagame as he is the executive, but it certainly could also mention the results in the parliament. Gödel2200 (talk) 17:24, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per PrinceofPunjab. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:45, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose per PrinceOfPunjab. If it does end up posted, I’d support using the “announced as the winner of the election” wording we’ve had for previous elections of dubious fairness. The Kip ^(contribs) 07:07, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, the article is still ITN/R as a general election, but the article does not mention the parliament's election results at all. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 07:53, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. While probably not "free and fair", the election did actually take place and the people did vote for Kagame, so this election is covered by ITN/R and we've generally always posted it in the past. It might be good for the "aftermath" section to mention any international organisations saying it wasn't free and fair, but I'm not sure there are any yet. No doubt when that happens, we can update the article but for now I think it's good to go. I've also updated the results to show the provisional figures for parliament. — Amakuru (talk) 08:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose we don't know how many people actually voted for Kagame. Significant election fraud is not out of the question. It would require sources to claim this election is different from the many sham elections held in Rwanda since 1994. (t · c) buidhe 23:43, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per PrinceofPunjab. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:43, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Article sort of explains why the election was not free and fair - i.e. real opponents of Kagame are barred from even standing in the first place, the other "candidates" are Government-approved ones to ensure the appearance of democracy - but it should be (and needs to be) a lot clearer. Currently a casual reader would assume that Kagame is enthusiastically backed by nearly 100% of the Rwandan population, whereas in reality the claim that turnout was 98% is ... fanciful. Black Kite (talk) 11:44, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Amakuru. Wikipedia gives cited facts so readers can draw their own conclusions. This article meets NPOV adequately already, and when more refs regarding its lack of fairness should come, those would be welcome too. Jiaminglimjm (talk) 15:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per Amakuru, although I do believe the election was unfair it's still a election which was voted for. We should add sources saying if the election was fair or not when they come Sharrdx (talk) 15:45, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose -- unfair and unfree election is not ITNR. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 20:17, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not presumed notable, but not necessarily non-notable. Bremps... 21:46, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Blaylockjam10 @Chaotic Enby @Andrew Davidson @PrinceofPunjab @Black Kite I've added more to the article hopefully demonstrating more critically the way the election was not free and fair. Let me know if the article still needs more work in that department. I've also updated the altblurb with more details & with slightly different wording (including the results of the parliamentary election). Let me know if that needs more work as well (in particular - is it too long for ITN standards?) Staraction (talk | contribs) 22:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Much better now. Bremps... 00:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's the blurb that's the issue rather than the article. Presenting this in a formulaic way is a false equivalence which misleads the reader. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Per norm, it's a national election. Scu ba (talk) 23:41, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb Although notable and the article is looking better, I oppose the current blurb per PrinceofPunjab and The Kip. The current blurb is misleading by omission. It misleads the reader into a sense of equivalency by using the same terminology we have used for actual free and fair elections. I do support altblurb. FlipandFlopped ツ 01:26, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability—A glorified referendum on Kagame's continued dictatorship it is, and the blurb should make this clear, but it's an actual election in a de jure "democracy". It merits a mention on the main page. Kurtis ^(talk) 02:04, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted, there's no section in the article on how it was not free or fair, Stephen 02:14, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting straw poll on changing it to "declared winner" This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:09, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As stated above, I support this as the default when the election isn’t considered free/fair by RSes. The Kip ^(contribs) 03:25, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As long as the article is updated to align to any wording that you want here. Stephen 03:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support "declared winner" I think the following is enough:
The only three presidential candidates allowed to run were the same as from 2017, where Kagame won with more than 98% of the vote. DW described the election as a "re-run of the non-contest in 2017."[27] Amnesty International criticized the censorship of opposition in the race as having "a chilling effect and limits the space for debate for people of Rwanda". The Independent described the election as "widely criticised as unfair."[4]
Bremps... 06:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's fine as is I would think. I'm not a fan of editorialising in blurbs, and while this argument comes up time and time again here for Russian, Rwandan and other elections I don't think we've ever deviated from the simple statement of who won and leaving the detail to the article. And therefore it would be wrong to carve out an exception for this specific case. If there's a prior precedent then please point it out to me. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 07:44, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
comment here's an easy solution, just mention the percentage of the vote (99%) that he got, that should tell everyone with an iq of above like 3 what that election was like Kasperquickly (talk) 09:21, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Won't work, since reporting isn't done. Well, "reporting". Bremps... 15:36, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
that should tell everyone with an iq of above like 3 what that election was like
As you've been told before, quit it with the personalized commentary. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:25, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the Russian election, the blurb was
Vladimir Putin is announced to be the winner of the Russian presidential election, securing a fifth term.
That’s still too weak for my taste & I’d write it as “announced as” instead of “announced to be”, but it’s better than the current blurb for the Rwandan election. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 00:02, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 16

(Posted) RD: Peter Courtney

Article: Peter Courtney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Oregonian
Credits:

Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Connormah (talk · give credit)

Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:04, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, article in good shape. Staraction (talk | contribs) 00:19, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article is ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 05:01, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Posted—Bagumba (talk) 22:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Joe Bryant

Article: Joe Bryant (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

Kobe's father and professional player and coach. Needs some work. Natg 19 (talk) 16:52, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Article needs ref work, has some cn tags. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose at least three cn tags. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 04:52, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added more refs, needs one for international coaching record, though perhaps that section could just be removed. Natg 19 (talk) 17:32, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jacques Boudet

Article: Jacques Boudet (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Figaro
Credits:

Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:64A3:5EA7:A3BF:F045 (talk · give credit)
Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

French actor. 240F:7A:6253:1:64A3:5EA7:A3BF:F045 (talk) 09:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose the entire article has one source and that too of death, has very little prose and mostly a Listicle. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 15:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Article needs major work such as expansion and sourcing. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 15

(Posted) RD: Peter Buxtun

Article: Peter Buxtun (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): PBS NewsHour
Credits:

Nominated by Legoktm (talk · give credit)
Updated by 2600:1700:1592:E5B0:948E:C789:FC6D:3850 (talk · give credit) and Connormah (talk · give credit)

Whistleblower who revealed the Tuskegee syphilis experiment. He died back in May, but from what I can tell, it was reported in reliable sources on July 15. Legoktm (talk) 16:14, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support looks alright to me. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 04:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Posted Stephen 02:04, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Norm Hewitt

Article: Norm Hewitt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New Zealand Herald
Credits:

Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:3588:1738:72A2:F85A (talk · give credit)
Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit), Perreonz (talk · give credit) and ToddyOC (talk · give credit)

New Zealand All Blacks rugby union player. 240F:7A:6253:1:3588:1738:72A2:F85A (talk) 07:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there is an cn tag and Career highlights list needs more more sources. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 15:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Chinese cooking oil scandal

(non-admin closure) Consensus to post is unlikely to develop. Gödel2200 (talk) 18:07, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Food safety incidents in China (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Chinese cooking oil scandal (Post)
News source(s): DW
Credits:

Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)

Article updated

"The investigative report into the latest scandal revealed that two tanker trucks had been loaded with cooking oil for delivery immediately after carrying chemical products, a cost-saving measure that the media said had become an "open secret" in the supply chain." Count Iblis (talk) 17:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose One sentence update is not sufficient for a posting.

Noah, BSBA^Talk 17:43, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Two dirty tanker trucks is relatively insignificant.

Celjski Grad (talk) 17:54, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Count, it seems unbelievable that by now you don't know how ITNR works. Please add a blurb and explain why this enjoys special notability. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:58, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose the nomination comment is longer than the update in the article. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) 2024 Copa América final

Article: 2024 Copa América final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  In association football, Argentina defeat Colombia to win the 2024 Copa América. (Post)
Alternative blurb:  In association football, Argentina defeats Colombia to win the 2024 Copa América.
Alternative blurb II:  In association football, the 2024 Copa América final ends 1-0, Argentina over Colombia.
News source(s): The Athletic
Credits:

Nominated by MarkH21 (talk · give credit)

Article is well-referenced as of nomination, with a few updates being added. — MarkH₂₁^talk 04:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose due to missing prose summary, rest-of-tournament sections, and description of the pre-match ticket fiasco that pushed the match back by an hour. Will try to make improvements tomorrow. Sounder Bruce 04:11, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The sumamry & pre-match sections have now been started with a few paragraphs each. — MarkH₂₁^talk 05:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above, article's simply not ready. Do want to note for anyone that may raise it - this is correctly placed on the 15th, as due to the delay/extra time the Final ended after midnight eastern. The Kip ^(contribs) 04:31, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I thought it goes by UTC? Otherwise Super Bowl would always end hours after the bot adds the day after the local day. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:33, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support when ready. Seems to be more than enough text about the Miami security issues. Nfitz (talk) 05:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support when ready, big win for a great team in a big tournament. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:E1C5:79C8:157A:391E (talk) 05:09, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Notability is not an issue as the event is listed on ITNR (presumed to be notable). Focus solely on article quality. Bremps... 05:21, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
’’’Procedural support’” guess we can’t have only real news on ITN forever :/ This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We get it, you don’t like sportsball. Doesn’t mean you have to insert your personalized commentary/complaints every time a sporting event comes up at ITNC - this isn’t the first time in recent memory. The Kip ^(contribs) 09:51, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, like "Old Man Dies" it's getting very wearisome now. Black Kite (talk) 15:08, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Except "old man dies" has an argument to be made for it; complaining about ITN/R sports stories has none. Kicking222 (talk) 21:38, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose so.
Both are tiring, but OMD is rooted in a legitimate criticism of ITNC (albeit one I disagree with), while the “sports bad” comments amount to contrarianism - these are easily notable enough by our standards. The Kip ^(contribs) 01:29, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why and how does it always come back to death blurbs? It's the black hole of all ITN discussion, sucking everything towards it. Bremps... 05:48, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If both this blurb and the previous Euro one are posted, they could be merged into one blurb to avoid repetition (e.g: In association football, Spain defeat England to win UEFA Euro 2024, and Argentina defeat Colombia to win the 2024 Copa América.) Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 09:52, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Considering they’ll be run back to back, can’t say I’d be opposed to this proposal. The Kip ^(contribs) 09:57, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I endorse this proposal. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:31, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Like -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:04, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They are separate events. Would we merge any other type of news event together because they happened one day after the other? ("In disaster news, earthquakes in Anyville and Randomtown kill 21 and 34 people respectively"). Black Kite (talk) 15:08, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, if only to not have two very similar events take up two bullet points. Wqwt (talk) 16:34, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We have. Bremps... 02:50, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Two separate events clash. Unnamelessness (talk) 15:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I feel that two events in the same sport can be put on the same line (many of the two winning teams are probably teammates at club level); that's not the same as merging either of these with Wimbledon. As with disasters, I feel like if earthquakes hit California and Texas on the same day, that would be posted on the same line because the response would probably be co-ordinated - different to posting an earthquake in the USA and one in China on the same line. I swear I've seen joint posting for when different European leagues have ended on the same day, or in the same week as the Champions League. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:38, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This does make a good bit of sense. They're both continental championship finals in the exact same sport. We don't post a separate blurb for two separate finals from Wimbledon, for instance. Of course, that does hinge on this getting posted in a timely manner anyway; right now this article suffers from the all-too-common problem for championship finals of being just a table dumb with little to no prose. Nottheking (talk) 17:20, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article has a dozen paragraphs of prose and one table. — MarkH₂₁^talk 18:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on principle. I've got a question though, shouldn't the blurb for this and the UEFA final ITN say that "... (Spain / Argentina) defeats (England / Colombia) ..." instead of the singular defeat since the blurbs are in present tense and the subject nations are singular nouns? SpacePod9 (talk) 23:54, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Each side of the Pond seems to have a different opinion on which is broken English (defeat or defeats). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 01:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it's an ENGVAR issue, since this Copa America involved North America, maybe "defeats" is the way to go. But IDK, it seems like it's more to do with certain countries referring to their national teams as "they", and some referring to their national teams as "it", and the subsequent verb agreement (they defeat, it defeats). In that case, we should probably look to the WP articles of the relevant national teams to see which pronoun seems to be in use, and make the blurb agree. Kingsif (talk) 04:17, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See the current Euro 2024 blurb for the standard method of avoiding this issue. Black Kite (talk) 05:00, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, also on principle. 2605:8D80:325:ABB8:4CDA:C019:1E39:3DB (talk) 02:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I was going to be the one to nominate this article, but thanks for doing so. 64.114 etc 03:29, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted combined blurb. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:53, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I like it They're close in form, time and (questionable) prose quality. Nobody urgently needs to learn the score. The important thing is the finals (each one final) are featured, rather than divisive words about winning or losing. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you - that's a well-handled combined blurb. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:39, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 14

(Posted) UEFA Euro 2024 final

Article: UEFA Euro 2024 final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  In association football, Spain defeat England to win UEFA Euro 2024. (Post)
Alternative blurb:  Spain wins the UEFA Euro 2024, defeating England.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Nominated by Gödel2200 (talk · give credit)
Updated by MarkH21 (talk · give credit), Kingsif (talk · give credit) and MAL MALDIVE (talk · give credit)

The article for the final may need some sourcing work. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:54, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose until there is a prose recap of the match. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 20:59, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support in principle. Congratulations to Spain for the fully deserved victory.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're well aware that "support in principle" is meaningless for an ITN/R article. Either say that you think it's ready or say why you don't think it's ready. Kicking222 (talk) 21:07, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Per answer above; in principle. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:4DE:B079:824F:421A (talk) 21:05, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is also a big win for a major world country in one of the major international tournaments that conclude today. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:4DE:B079:824F:421A (talk) 21:09, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jeez in the 21st century any team that wins the Euros is a big/important country... yes, I'm even talking about Portugal and Greece. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:15, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose the final as the primary article as it seems quite perfunctory, doesn't provide any narrative for the game and needs work for issues like tense. The UEFA Euro 2024 article would be better as the primary article as it covers the entire event but that needs work too. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:17, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Those oppose votes that the article on the final lacks a prose recap of the match only 20 minutes after its end are very unproductive and may delay posting this because the majority of admins here blindly count votes. We all know that this won’t be posted in the next two hours, at least.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:28, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: The prose summary has been started and is well-referenced. No preference for primary-linked article or wording in the blurb. — MarkH₂₁^talk 21:34, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SUPPORT! Apparently, it’s agreeable that the summary is well authentically referenced with good citations. 207.194.85.134 (talk) 23:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well this is clearly an AI chatbot re-writing of the !vote directly above... Kingsif (talk) 02:08, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks good to go. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 02:06, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Prose summary is brief but adequate, and the rest looks ready. The Kip ^(contribs) 03:17, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. As it stands, the prose summary is far too short for a major match. Sounder Bruce 03:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment defeats* Jiaminglimjm (talk) 05:09, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nope WP:ENGVAR- defeat is correct in British English. Joseph2302 (talk) 06:47, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment If both this blurb and the next Copa América one are posted, they could be merged into one blurb to avoid repetition (e.g: In association football, Spain defeat England to win UEFA Euro 2024, and Argentina defeat Colombia to win the 2024 Copa América.) Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 09:52, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's wise to merge them as it may delude people that it's a single event or two closely related events, especially when we have a combined blurb on the Wimbledon Championships already on the main page.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:25, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, they are completely separate events. Every year we get a glut of sporting ITN/Rs around this time, it's just one of those things. Black Kite (talk) 11:34, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But it would avoid the tiff of which one gets posted on top and in turn lasts longer. I get they are different events, but still "continent level championship for national teams in the same sport at the same time" is close enough that the benefits outweigh the drawbacks. But no strong opinion either way, just seems like it would avoid some drama. nableezy - 17:57, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

*Oppose on quality (and unmarked as Ready). Four sentences of prose on the entire final match is not sufficient. Black Kite (talk) 11:33, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's good. Marked Ready again. Black Kite (talk) 15:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support there really is nothing more you can write about the match, the quality is good enough Reme77 (talk) 12:53, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support I've made the summary four paragraphs now, two for each half. Kingsif (talk) 14:44, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Admins willing to post ITN: anyone available to post this? Natg 19 (talk) 00:58, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted the ALT blurb. Schwede66 01:58, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I updated the blurb due to the usual ENGVAR issues (especially as the one used was the NA "wins"). Black Kite (talk) 04:04, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Evan Wright

Article: Evan Wright (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Baltimore Sun
Credits:

Nominated by CrazyMagicPickle (talk · give credit)

Author of Generation Kill. Article could use some reorganizing (I'm new to this so lmk if I'm doing this wrong). CrazyMagicPickle (talk) 18:28, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait good is in a good shape, only thing holding it back is that the Published works section needs sourcing. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 15:49, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support Overall good shape. Two cn tags shouldn't keep it from posting IMO. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:01, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Wimbledon 2024

Article: 2024 Wimbledon Championships (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  In tennis, Barbora Krejčíková and Carlos Alcaraz (pictured) win the women's and men's singles respectively at the Wimbledon Championships. (Post)
News source(s): NYT - The Washington Post
Credits:

Nominated by PrinceofPunjab (talk · give credit)

I think the article is in a good enough shape to be posted. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 16:56, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support We should get this done quickly because there will be the UEFA result to post soon. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:07, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support unlike most tennis articles nominated here, this one actually has some decent tournament summaries and so meets WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:33, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Seems to be in a good enough state. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 18:01, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article is well sourced and has a good amount of prose about the matches. Gödel2200 (talk) 18:31, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note I'm going to post this when the image is protected. Black Kite (talk) 19:05, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Posted. Black Kite (talk) 19:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jacoby Jones

Article: Jacoby Jones (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Baltimore Sun
Credits:

Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
Updated by Hey man im josh (talk · give credit)

American football wide receiver. Article needs a decent bit of work. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:06, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Noting that I did a significant amount of work on the article to clean it up, including adding about 20 references. I've added myself as an updater, hope that's ok @The Kip. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:36, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just a further detail, the only tag on the article now is to expand the Houston Texans section. Hey man im josh (talk) 21:57, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can that section realistically be expanded much, though? It seems he didn't do a whole lot during his time in Houston. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:17, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait Houston Texans orange tag needs to be resolved otherwise good to go. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 15:50, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Shannen Doherty

Article: Shannen Doherty (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Nominated by Jolicnikola (talk · give credit)

Oppose There are CN tags. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 15:38, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The article is in good shape, no remaining tags. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 02:40, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Scheridon (talk) 12:17, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Article is in good shape indeed. No such thing as an image RD of course, but I'm glad you included the image here as it drew my attention. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:26, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Too many Cn tags.—Bagumba (talk) 15:15, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tagging several non-exceptional claims (some covered in the obituaries), without further contribution, and then opposing an RD based on your own tags? The article had 80 citations too. I don't really have the words, but I'm disappointed. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 21:41, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Bearas (talk) 05:36, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support Two cn tags shouldn't keep this from posting...I think. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:50, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Stephen 09:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Suspension of Alice Guo

(non-admin closure) Closing it again as an IP address decided to reopen it. This was originally closed by Stephen as consensus to post will not develop. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 21:25, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Alice Guo (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Bamban, Tarlac mayor Alice Guo is suspended after her actual identity is revealed to be Chinese. (Post)
News source(s): Rappler Inquirer Philstar
Credits:

Nominated by TheNuggeteer (talk · give credit)
Created by JL 09 (talk · give credit)

Really big incident in the Philippines, a lot of news sources talking about it, I might as well try to put it on the main page.🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 11:44, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Subnational incident that doesn't rise to the level of impact required for a main page posting.

Noah, BSBA^Talk 11:56, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This seems to be stale; Guo was suspended from office on 3 June, and the NBI investigation confirmed her identity on 27 June ([1]). An arrest warrant was issued on 13 July, but this seems to have been for the Philippine equivalent of Contempt of Congress rather than any other malfeasance ([2]), and besides that arrests themselves are very rarely posted here. Curbon7 (talk) 12:12, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The suspension itself is stale, and the story is a subnational incident. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per the above. The wording of the proposed blurb is weird as well, and this definitely doesn't rise even to a national level of significance. (If Andy Burnham lost his job, would we post it here? When Nicola Sturgeon or Ron De Santis were in trouble, did we post it?) But also, this was rightly closed as a no-hoper, and it's been reopened by an IP user. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:16, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and re-close, not going to get posted as per the above, so this should be re-closed (and IP editor re-opened it previously). Joseph2302 (talk) 20:37, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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RD: Ron E Sparks

Article: Ron E Sparks (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 9News
Credits:

Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:A573:E493:327E:FFAE (talk · give credit)
Updated by 220 of Borg (talk · give credit)

Australian radio presenter. 240F:7A:6253:1:A573:E493:327E:FFAE (talk) 13:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quite a few citation needed tags. Schwede66 01:57, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ruth Hesse

Article: Ruth Hesse (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Violin Channel
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Created by LouisAlain (talk · give credit)

German mezzo-soprano who made an international career starting at the Vienna State Opera in big roles in 1965. The article was basically there, translated from de. I had to find references for recordings, and some that disappeared over the five years since it was DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:23, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Stephen 01:58, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Naomi Pomeroy

Article: Naomi Pomeroy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Oregon Live
Credits:

Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:5:1EE6:C9D5:AA47 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Another Believer (talk · give credit)

American chef. 240F:7A:6253:1:5:1EE6:C9D5:AA47 (talk) 03:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support meets the Bare minimum requirement. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 15:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article looks good enough. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support I've updated and fixed the banner. Valereee (talk) 18:14, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted—Bagumba (talk) 22:10, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: P. Buckley Moss

Article: P. Buckley Moss (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The News Virginian
Credits:

Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:5:1EE6:C9D5:AA47 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

American artist and philanthropist. 240F:7A:6253:1:5:1EE6:C9D5:AA47 (talk) 03:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait article needs a bit work. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 15:53, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Last section is unsourced and lead could be expanded to reflect her notability. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:39, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: James B. Sikking

Article: James B. Sikking (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood, The Hollywood Reporter, Variety
Credits:

Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:B0BC:D35C:F470:BF2D (talk · give credit)
Updated by Nohomersryan (talk · give credit)

American actor. 240F:7A:6253:1:B0BC:D35C:F470:BF2D (talk) 05:26, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose uncited filmography/discography. But aside from that, there's a massive uncited list of movies in paragraph form that needs to be fixed. Bremps... 22:36, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose same as what Bremps said. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 15:54, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 shooting at a Donald Trump rally

Article: 2024 shooting at a Donald Trump rally (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Former President of the United States Donald Trump survives an assassination attempt after being shot during a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania. (Post)
Alternative blurb:  Donald Trump was injured after being shot during a rally held in Butler, Pennsylvania with the perpetrator being shot dead.
Alternative blurb II:  One person is killed and two others are injured, including former U.S. president Donald Trump, in a shooting at a political rally in Butler, Pennsylvania.
Alternative blurb III:  Former U.S. president Donald Trump survives an assassination attempt at a political rally in Butler, Pennsylvania.
News source(s): The New York Times, AP
Credits:

Nominated by Midori No Sora (talk · give credit)

Probably the most serious security incident involving Donald Trump. Trump survived the assassination attempt. 2 people were injured, and the perpetrator and an audience was killed. Currently reported live by major news sites worldwide. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 23:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait until it is confirmed it was an assassination attempt. If it is then I will change my vote to support. Jbvann05 23:06, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait Information is scarce right now. Vanilla Wizard 💙 23:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait - People are rushing to get this story to the front page before we even know what the story is. Calm down, everyone. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:10, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - And why do we have a stock photo of him? We know what Trump looks like, and the picture has nothing more specific to do with the story than that. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:42, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's only a temporary image as there's no free / non-copyrighted image of the shooting at the moment. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 23:55, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait We have very few details as of now, so we need to wait. Gödel2200 (talk) 23:12, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait Wait inception. This happened 30 minutes ago. Await more details. qw3rty 23:14, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Confirmed assassination attempt that injured a former US president and current presidential candidate. No matter what details come out, this is a 100% newsworthy event. Poxy4 (talk) 23:27, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait Wikipedia isn't for breaking news. There is very little useful information that could be added to the article that could be properly sourced.142.163.137.123 (talk) 23:32, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, now a shooting has been confirmed. Trump is injured. The perpetrator and an audience member died. This country is going to suffer extreme political violence in the coming weeks, so it was nice knowing you. Personisinsterest (talk) 23:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have sources for any of that? None of it is on the BBC live feed. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:30, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here is one: 1 Gödel2200 (talk) 23:32, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. That message was labelled '4 min ago' as I saw it. Could we perhaps all slow down a little and not try to push this story onto the home page while it's still developing? GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:34, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The original source appears to be local DA speaking to various media. Different media have different threshold for single/double/triple confirmation before reporting something big. Which is why there's some reporting of dead shooter in some media but not others. Wait until it's reported across major media before referencing such if it's considered to be included with a blurb. -- KTC (talk) 23:42, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Injured? Trump's people are saying he's fine. Nfitz (talk) 23:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not unreasonable to say injured when there's literally video of him with blood coming out of his ear, whether through being shot, hit his head on something during the whole incident or a USSS agent accidentally whacking him in the head as they cover him with their bodies. -- KTC (talk) 23:39, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They’re saying he’s alive. Personisinsterest (talk) 23:56, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Skyshiftertalk 23:27, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait Maybe some news sources are just catching up, but the latest updates I see are "suspected shooting" and "audience member reportedly shot". Kingsif (talk) 23:29, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until more information comes out, then Support. Absolutely a notable and newsworthy event, but the article should be given the time it needs to develop. ArkHyena (talk) 23:37, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Confirmed shooting with multiple casualties. It looks like Trump was grazed by a bullet. This is massive news and the article is of adequate quality for posting. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:46, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hit with glass shrapnel from the teleprompter, apparently. So there was a shooting at a Trump rally, but it didn't involve Trump. Kingsif (talk) 23:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have a source for this? ꧁Zanahary꧂ 23:58, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Axios via Guardian, hasn't been removed or corrected as of now. Kingsif (talk) 00:02, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seems unlikely given the teleprompter would have had to be behind him. Jevansen (talk) 00:41, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Insanely bad take. I can't fathom the levels of bias necessary to suggest "there was a shooting ... but it didn't involve Trump." The Guardian citation doesn't support your interpretation. Dr Fell (talk) 00:34, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's best not to worry about what's going on in other editors' brains, and to instead focus your attention to the editorial decisions they make and influence. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 00:37, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dr Fell and Zanahary: You both need to remember WP:NPA, remember this is not Twitter, and remember that there were many developments in reporting in the half hour between my and your comments. Kingsif (talk) 01:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Kingsif respectfully, I have not even grazed a personal attack. I told Dr Fell not to worry about any editor’s apparent bias, in favor of concerning themselves with the editorial decisions we have to make about this ITN item. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 01:12, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In light of this, retracted. Kingsif (talk) 01:14, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for more details to filter in and populate the article (besides rection kudzu). Its clearly an event to be posted but we aren't here to do breaking news, and instead should wait until we have a reasonable quality article. There is zero reason to rush to post. --Masem (t) 23:47, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support but wait for more details like how was the weapon smuggled into the rally? Also an audience member died, why isn’t that casualty in the alt blurb?

Wafflefrites (talk) 23:53, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not re: your vote Wafflefrites, but just so you know: it seems that the shooter was on a rooftop outside the rally. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 00:38, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Casualties are already reported and this is major news, while the article is in good shape. Ppt91talk 23:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support I think we’ve gotten enough information to put this on the front page now. Estreyeria (talk) 23:58, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Holy shit. Bremps... 00:00, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - this is a significant and recent news story Enoryt nwased lamaj (talk) 00:02, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note He was injured as a result of the shooting, there is (I haven't seen) as yet no confirmation that he was shot, so neither of the proposed blurb is okay as it stand. -- KTC (talk) 00:05, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support posting but Strong Oppose current blurb and alternative. Former President of the United States Donald Trump injured in assassination attempt at campaign rally in Butler, Pennsylvania. Dr Fell (talk) 00:13, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Not sure how else you can interpret this as anything other than an assassination attempt. Scu ba (talk) 00:19, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not up to Wikipedia editors to "interpret" an event. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:27, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is a tertiary source, and luckily we are not saddled with the task of interpreting events—only repeating the reports of reliable secondary sources. It'll become clear in the next few hours how sources are treating this (and I'll be surprised if it's not as an assassination attempt, considering the report I read about the local police investigating it as an attempt on DJT's life). ꧁Zanahary꧂ 00:40, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb3 This was an assassination attempt. "was injured" is ambiguous. — hako9 (talk) 00:24, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Assassination attempt or not, there's no question that one person was shot dead at an event involving a former U.S. president. As I write this the story at NY Times' website says "Trump ‘Safe’ After Shooting at Rally; Suspect Is Killed". This is a no brainer for main page. ☆ Bri (talk) 00:26, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support There’s no ambiguity around this shooting happening and being notable. CNN has already reported this is being investigated as an assassination attempt. Delay this further is absurd. Kcmastrpc (talk) 00:41, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - No need to wait as article is cited and will grow as we speak. Morogris (✉ • ✎) 00:43, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Further international coverage, [3] from the ABC, who had a reporter on site, and who describes one of the dead as "the person who fired shots in the former president's direction". Elsewhere, the same page says "Associated Press is reporting that the shooting is being investigated as an assassination attempt", "Washington Post reporter Meryl Kornfield says authorities told her Mr Trump was grazed by gunfire", and our ambassador and former PM Kevin Rudd has released a statement regarding "the attack on former President Trump". Nyttend (talk) 00:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Incident itself has been confirmed. --DannyC55 (Talk) 00:48, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Posted. El_C 00:49, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait. Per @Masem. Also consider using File:Shooting of Donald Trump.webp. LuxembourgLover (talk) 00:49, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This image cannot be used, as it is likely a copyrighted image, and not fair use. Natg 19 (talk) 00:55, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait for reasons stated above. We certainly cannot mention numbers at the moment, as they will quickly get outdated. Ornov Ganguly (talk) 00:58, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We routinely post major events involving casualties, and then update the blurb as the facts warrant. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:22, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Blurb should be re-written to stick to the known facts. No investigative body has concluded that it's an assassination attempt, but they are investigating it as such. So the confirmed information: 2 dead, there was a shooting, Trump was injured, they're inestigating it as an assassination attempt. Harizotoh9 (talk) 01:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I think outright labelling it as an assassination attempt is projection on Wikipedia's part. I don't think any reliable sources have labelled it as such. Even the article itself just says it is being "investigated as an assassination attempt" but doesn't outright label it an assassination attempt. At the very least the blurb should reflect what is written in the article it is relating to. RahelTensions (talk) 01:38, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Change blurb to ALT2 per @Harizotoh9. Even though it is fairly obvious that it was an assassination attempt this has not been confirmed and RS have only said it's being investigated as an assassination attempt, not that it was. ALT2 reflects the current facts of the situation. Jbvann05 01:41, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh and there were two confirmed deaths so the Alt2 blurb is out of date already. One rally attendee and the shooter. Harizotoh9 (talk) 01:43, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've softened to possible assassination attempt, for now. El_C 01:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FBI confirms assassination attempt. Was gonna omit ~~possible~~, but it looks like Ad Orientem beat me to it. El_C 05:23, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb2 As per Jbvann then swap back to altblurb3 when confirmed. Sharrdx (talk) 03:15, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Change blurb to Alt2 Mentioning that someone was killed makes it the best description of what happened. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 02:38, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Change blurb to Alt3 Associated Press says shooting being investigated as assassination attempt. ^[5] CoatCheck (talk) 02:40, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Change to Altblurb2 "investigated as an assassination attempt" =/= "confirmed assassination attempt." Goal and motive still not know, so we should avoid assuming on what it is. Unless we get a RS stating that it's not just being "investigated as an assassination attempt" but outright declared as one, the ITN should not claim it as such. Nottheking (talk) 05:26, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The FBI specifically called it an assassination attempt. RahelTensions (talk) 05:40, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The incident is obviously interesting and in the news but it doesn't seem sufficiently certain, settled and stable to be suitable for presentation as an encyclopedia article. Issues include:

Biden and Trump are both continually in the news as the presidential campaign progresses. For example, Biden's gaffes and the pressure on him to retire have been all over the news lately. It seems difficult to cherry-pick particular incidents in a balanced way and so the whole thing better belongs in Ongoing.
The article about the incident is still a work-in-progress. For example, it currently uses a powerful image as fair use but the validity of this copyright issue is contested and unresolved.
The incident is a crime but investigations are not yet complete. For example, the BBC reports that the shooter was spotted crawling into position minutes ahead of the shooting but nothing was done. The article does not yet explain this.
There's already a big cloud of social media speculation, disinformation and misinformation out there which muddies the waters.
We really don't need Donald Trump's smiling picture on the main page once again.

Andrew🐉(talk) 06:49, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If 'In the news' covered everyday campaign news, concern about cherry-picking events in a balanced way would be justified. Certain events within the presidential campaign are independently newsworthy. An assassination attempt on a former president and current presidential candidate is a significant (and likely historical) event.
Featuring relevant and timely news often means linking to articles that are neither settled nor stable. The article is unambiguously flagged as a current event.
You've repeated your concern about developing stories featuring in 'In the news.' The utility of 'In the news' is reduced for users if articles are only featured once they have matured.
On the contrary, featuring this story helps combat social media speculation, disinformation, and misinformation by offering readers a fact-based resource.
Your last point significantly weakens the preceding four.

Dr Fell (talk) 17:51, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ITN has moved on and so these points are mostly moot now. But the red link for Dr Fell is a nice puzzle and I fancy I have a solution. Now that's encyclopædic – well done! Andrew🐉(talk) 20:30, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support We recently posted Robert Fico’s assassination attempt, so it’s sensible to post a similar event involving a former US president and a clear front-runner in this year’s election. Yes, it seems like we post a lot of news about him, but we’re closely approaching the election and the next news to post should be his victory.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:43, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Slightly jumping ahead of the electoral process there, aren't you? GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:51, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The user did jump the gun a bit, but I have a gut feeling that Trump's face is going to get on ITN at least six more times before he dies (win or lose this election) then again after he does. Bremps... 12:00, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I now support the posting (although I don't think we need the picture - it's still not related to the story). It was the 'should be his victory' part that seems wildly premature! GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:47, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) KP Sharma Oli becomes PM of Nepal

Article: KP Sharma Oli (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: KP Sharma Oli (pictured) is appointed Prime Minister of Nepal following the ouster of incumbent Pushpa Kamal Dahal in a no confidence motion. (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg
Credits:

Nominated by Rushtheeditor (talk · give credit)
Updated by MAL MALDIVE (talk · give credit)

-. Rushtheedtior (talk) 16:39, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support in principle but oppose inasmuch as it doesn't have any mention of the change in the article This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:56, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Currently, the article for the new PM doesn't actually mention him becoming the PM (for the current term), so this needs to be updated. Gödel2200 (talk) 23:29, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as the above concerns have been addressed ꧁Zanahary꧂ 23:35, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article is well-sourced and of sufficient quality for ITN --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:24, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Many very reliable authentic citations and sources in an article of sufficient quality, like above. 64.251.82.42 (talk) 02:12, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Notable enough Scu ba (talk) 02:29, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Notable and of passable quality. Deprecated controversy section, but oh well, nothing's perfect. Bremps... 04:14, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Admins willing to post ITN: I believe that this is ready for posting. Bremps... 12:01, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The target article still does not have any prose about him becoming prime minister. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:04, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Has anyone actually looked at the bolded article before requesting this is posted. Not a mention of 2024 activities leading to his 4th term. Stephen 12:38, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose article needs more info on 2024 as per Stephen. Also violates WP:Controversy section. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:01, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support An article about a notable event, with well-sourced citations, and which is a good quality article. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:4DE:B079:824F:421A (talk) 20:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article updated with information leading to current premiership. Nepalaya001 (talk) 01:38, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Since Stephen's assessment some 1.5 days ago, the article has been updated. As oppose votes focussed on a lack of updates, there's thus consensus for this to go to the main page. Schwede66 10:16, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Richard Simmons

Article: Richard Simmons (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News
Credits:

Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)

Mooonswimmer 20:50, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - American notable celebrity. Harizotoh9 (talk) 20:57, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Notability isn't a requirement for RD, only death blurbs (though I won't touch that third rail any further...) Only article quality matters for RD. Bremps... 04:16, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RIP Richard Simmons. As for the RD nomination, the article needs a few more citations before it's ready to be on the main page. Kurtis ^(talk) 21:15, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are over a hundred citations now. How many is enough? Kire1975 (talk) 02:42, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on article quality alone. It needs a great deal of work. Simmons is certainly notable enough. Challenger l (talk) 23:11, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RD doesn't discriminate by notability, much like the Grim Reaper himself. Unless, of course, the subject is so non-notable that they shouldn't have a page, but that's neither here nor there. Bremps... 04:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Richard Simmons: "Please don’t rain on my parade." 🤣🤣🤣Count Iblis (talk) 23:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support when ready Randy Kryn (talk) 23:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose RIP to such an amazing person. But, the article still has various cn and other tags. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 15:57, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No tags now. Kire1975 (talk) 02:44, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I count five citation needed tags. Schwede66 01:55, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How about now? Kire1975 (talk) 04:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Major American pop culture icon in the 1980s and 1990s who popularized home workout videos, and enjoyed household name status within North America until the end of his life. ChristofferItzakah (talk) 03:20, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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^ https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20240719-student-protesters-storm-prison-bangladesh-death-toll-tops-100-dhaka
^ https://variety.com/2024/politics/news/bangladesh-internet-shutdown-student-protests-deaths-1236078025/
^ https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/19/bangladesh-imposes-communications-blackout-as-protest-violence-continues
^ https://apnews.com/article/bangladesh-student-protests-violence-internet-shutdown-622c6c464c47860afee293e80550c051
^ https://apnews.com/article/trump-vp-vance-rubio-7c7ba6b99b5f38d2d840ed95b2fdc3e5