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Wikipedia:Deletion review

Deletion review (DRV) is for reviewing speedy deletions and outcomes of deletion discussions. This includes appeals to delete pages kept after a prior discussion.

If you are considering a request for a deletion review, please read the "Purpose" section below to make sure that is what you wish to do. Then, follow the instructions below.

Purpose

  • WP:DRVPURPOSE

Deletion review may be used:

  1. if someone believes the closer of a deletion discussion interpreted the consensus incorrectly;
  2. if a speedy deletion was done outside of the criteria or is otherwise disputed;
  3. if significant new information has come to light since a deletion that would justify recreating the deleted page;
  4. if a page has been wrongly deleted with no way to tell what exactly was deleted; or
  5. if there were substantial procedural errors in the deletion discussion or speedy deletion.

Deletion review should not be used:

  1. because of a disagreement with the deletion discussion's outcome that does not involve the closer's judgment (a page may be renominated after a reasonable timeframe);
  2. (This point formerly required first consulting the deleting admin if possible. As per this discussion an editor is not required to consult the closer of a deletion discussion (or the deleting admin for a speedy deletion) before starting a deletion review. However doing so is good practice, and can often save time and effort for all concerned. Notifying the closer is required.)
  3. to point out other pages that have or have not been deleted (as each page is different and stands or falls on its own merits);
  4. to challenge an article's deletion via the proposed deletion process, or to have the history of a deleted page restored behind a new, improved version of the page, called a history-only undeletion (please go to Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion for these);
  5. to repeat arguments already made in the deletion discussion;
  6. to argue technicalities (such as a deletion discussion being closed ten minutes early);
  7. to request that previously deleted content be used on other pages (please go to Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion for these requests);
  8. to attack other editors, cast aspersions, or make accusations of bias (such requests may be speedily closed);
  9. for uncontroversial undeletions, such as undeleting a very old article where substantial new sources have subsequently arisen. Use Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion instead. (If any editor objects to the undeletion, then it is considered controversial and this forum may be used.)
  10. to ask for permission to write a new version of a page which was deleted, unless it has been protected against creation. In general you don't need anyone's permission to recreate a deleted page, if your new version does not qualify for deletion then it will not be deleted.

Copyright violating, libelous, or otherwise prohibited content will not be restored.

  • WP:DELREVD

Instructions

Before listing a review request, please:

  1. Consider attempting to discuss the matter with the closer as this could resolve the matter more quickly. There could have been a mistake, miscommunication, or misunderstanding, and a full review may not be needed. Such discussion also gives the closer the opportunity to clarify the reasoning behind a decision.
  2. Check that it is not on the list of perennial requests. Repeated requests every time some new, tiny snippet appears on the web have a tendency to be counter-productive. It is almost always best to play the waiting game unless you can decisively overcome the issues identified at deletion.

Steps to list a new deletion review

Commenting in a deletion review

Any editor may express their opinion about an article or file being considered for deletion review. In the deletion review discussion, please type one of the following opinions preceded by an asterisk (*) and surrounded by three apostrophes (''') on either side. If you have additional thoughts to share, you may type this after the opinion. Place four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your entry, which should be placed below the entries of any previous editors:

Examples of opinions for an article that had been deleted:

Remember that deletion review is not an opportunity to (re-)express your opinion on the content in question. It is an opportunity to correct errors in process (in the absence of significant new information), and thus the action specified should be the editor's feeling of the correct interpretation of the debate. Deletion review is facilitated by succinct discussions of policies and guidelines; long or repeated arguments are not generally helpful. Rather, editors should set out the key policies and guidelines supporting their preferred outcome.

The presentation of new information about the content should be prefaced by Relist, rather than Overturn and (action). This information can then be more fully evaluated in its proper deletion discussion forum. Allow recreation is an alternative in such cases.

Temporary undeletion

Admins participating in deletion reviews are routinely requested to restore deleted pages under review and replace the content with the {{TempUndelete}} template, leaving the history for review by everyone. However, copyright violations and violations of the policy on biographies of living persons should not be restored.

Closing reviews

A nominated page should remain on deletion review for at least seven days, unless the nomination was a proposed deletion. After seven days, an administrator will determine whether a consensus exists. If that consensus is to undelete, the admin should follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Administrator instructions. If the consensus was to relist, the page should be relisted at the appropriate forum. If the consensus was that the deletion was endorsed, the discussion should be closed with the consensus documented.

If the administrator closes the deletion review as no consensus, the outcome should generally be the same as if the decision was endorsed. However:

Ideally all closes should be made by an administrator to ensure that what is effectively the final appeal is applied consistently and fairly but in cases where the outcome is patently obvious or where a discussion has not been closed in good time it is permissible for a non-admin (ideally a DRV regular) to close discussions. Non-consensus closes should be avoided by non-admins unless they are absolutely unavoidable and the closer is sufficiently experienced at DRV to make that call. (Hint: if you are not sure that you have enough DRV experience then you don't.)

Speedy closes



Active discussions

3 October 2024

29 September 2024

File:Fuad Shukr handout.png

File:Fuad Shukr handout.png (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (article|restore)
previous free image is basically garbage-quality

Basically, and I know this is probably a tough sell, but WP:IAR. I uploaded this after the subject's death, it was a deliberately distributed publicity image sent out to the press by Hezzbollah. I added what I thought was a decent WP:FUR for using this instead of the other image to the right, which is beyond useless. It was nominated for speedy deletion with the following rationale: Not a screenshot of software as claimed in NFCC#1 section, and with a PD (all be it lower quality) image available on commons (see C:Category:Fuad Shukr) I contested that nomination with the following comment: Claim is it is a screenshot of software or a website. The website it was screenshotted from is clearly identified. Previous image was of such a low quality that it was entirely useless in identifying the subject, we'd literally be better off with nothing. This is a publicity image that was deliberately, widely distributed after the subject's death, it is meant to be re-used to show what he looked like. There is no possiblity of creating a new free image as subject is deceased. At the very least this should be discussed as opposed to being speedy deleted. but apparently the deleting admin did not find that compelling, so here we are. (the article in question is currently displaying a third image, that seems to have just been grabbed from a news website and is therefore not a publicity image as this one is, so it's probably going to be deleted soon) If there is absolutley no room for making an exception to the rules for the good of the project, then I guess the deletion will stand, but I'm hoping that's not the case. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 22:07, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Child (kinship)

Child (kinship) (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore)

Wikipedia has a lot of pages for intersex or gender diverse people. Son, Daughter and Child(Kid) page cannot replace the structural need of separate page for this meaning. Why there are gender neutral pages for parent, sibling, nibling, stepchild, childlessness but not for child(offspring)? Sharouser (talk) 00:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aqua Security (closed)

27 September 2024

File:1966 Official Lebanese Map of Shebaa Farms and Syrian border.png

File:1966 Official Lebanese Map of Shebaa Farms and Syrian border.png (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (article, article|XfD|restore)

Fastily deleted the map on the grounds that it was "redundant", but then deleted both the redundant map and the original identical map that had existed for some 10 years. The map is fine and useful and accurate and should be restored. We don't need two maps, but we do need one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GreekParadise (talk • contribs) 17:26, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]


I think I found the deletion of the original file.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Shebaafarms.png&action=edit&redlink=1

If it's proper, we could have an additional deletion review discussion as to why that was deleted without any formal or informal discussion as "redundant." It's the older map. I didn't create it. I copied it when I couldn't just paste it into an article. You can keep the original one. and add my reasons (on the second map) as why it's appropriate for fair use. I just don't know how to undelete it.GreekParadise (talk) 23:23, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Finally, Cryptic claims it's proper to delete the original map under WP:UUI #4.
So I went there. It says:
  1. A map, scanned or traced from an atlas, to illustrate the region depicted. Use may be appropriate if the map itself is a proper subject for commentary in the article: for example, a controversial map of a disputed territory, if the controversy is discussed in the article.
As the map IS of a disputed territory and the controversy is discussed, it is proper to be included. There are several wikipedia articles falsely claiming that Lebanon and Syria consider this to be Lebanese territory as if it were always true. What the map unequivocally shows is that both countries considered it to be Syrian territory, at least in 1966.
It is maps like this one used by the UN that explain how and why the UN legally determined that the land was Syrian and not Lebanese. The controversy is discussed in these articles on Shebaa Farms, as well as the use of maps such as this one to prove the UN claim to be accurate. As it remains disputed today, the evidence is critical so that readers know it to be true.
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Wikipedia has other maps of disputed territories on this site. For example, there is this portion of a 1898 map from the US government allowed for "fair use" here because it's a government document: Delaware Wedge.
Here's a portion of a map from the Pakistani government showing disputed territory allowed on wikipedia: Kashmir conflict#/media/File:Kashmir-Pakistan-government-map.jpg
The Shebaa Farms map was a Lebanese government document. If we can cite portions of US and Pakistani maps of disputed territory, why is this one any different? GreekParadise (talk) 23:35, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This map could be either purely illustrative, or a subject for commentary itself.
As the map IS of a disputed territory and the controversy is discussed, it is proper to be included.
I think this is where the misunderstanding stems from. The example of UUI#4 doesn't talk about a map of a controversial territory (which is replaceable, as the territory is what the controversy is about), but a controversial map of a territory (i.e., the physical map itself is at the center of the controversy and isn't replaceable by an equivalent one).
An example of both cases would be the "Red Map" presented by the Hungarian delegation at the Treaty of Trianon. The article Magyarization uses it as an ethnic map only, which would not be valid for UUI#4 if it was under copyright (as the data could have been illustrated by this specific map or any other one). On the other hand, the article about its author Pál Teleki presents commentary about the map itself and the deliberate artistic choices that went into it (in this case, to over-emphasize the proportion of Hungarian speakers), and would be a valid case of UUI#4. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:05, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
However, the map under discussion is a controversial map. It is not just a map of a controversial territory. There are tons of maps showing the same region, but this map in particular has controversial features which, combined with its provenance and date, make the map itself a controversial object. Zerotalk 01:33, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The map clearly satisfies the exception spelt out in UUI#4, so I'll address the argument that a free version could be made. We should consider why that exception is there at all, since there is no map which can't be user-copied. The reason in this example is that the very existence of the map and not only the positions of the items on the map are a matter of dispute and misinformation. Setting the record straight on the facts is one of our roles, and a user-generated map will not suffice to do that convincingly. Also, this is a rare map that is not on the internet as far as I can tell, and the (great) editor who visited a library to copy this tiny portion is no longer with us. So even though I could make a copy, I can't cite the original map as if I have seen it myself. I don't even live in the same country as where this original is. For all practical purposes, I can't make a copy and personally confirm its authenticity. I can't even defer to the confirmation of the original uploader, since that is now gone. Zerotalk 03:54, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Recent discussions

20 September 2024

19 September 2024

11 September 2024

Koi Mil Gaya 3

Koi Mil Gaya 3 (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)
Koi... Mil Gaya 3 (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

These rds were deleted per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 24#Koi Mil Gaya 3, the result was mostly due to non-participation by anyone else beyond the nominator and the non-partipicipation also resulted due to the fact that three very similar rds were incorrectly split into separate noms. The actual discussions took place at the other two: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#Krish 1 and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#Koi Mil Gaya 2 both of which consider the same film series and both of which passed (these discussions also revolved around around our current DRVs Koi... Mil Gaya 3 and Koi Mil Gaya 3), I would have commented at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 24#Koi Mil Gaya 3 and linked to the latter discussions but was unaware of the separate listing for the third film in the series. To only delete redirects for this film from the series would appear unfair in light of these discussions. Please read the discussions and see if these rds should be restored. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gotitbro (talk • contribs) 15:40, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you say that the nominations were incorrectly split? It is up to the nom to split the entries as per his rationale. Sometimes others do bundle them if they observe duplication, and see benefit in a bundled nomination. No one did so in this case, as I would believe the nominations were split evenly as 1, 2 and 3 ending titles.
From what I see, the closer chose to delete Koi Mil Gaya 3, but relisted Koi Mil Gaya 2, even though both had zero participation, because of page histories of other (Krrish) entries of the bulk nomination. All entries of that bulk nomination ended as kept based on strength of the Krrish entries. For Koi Mil Gaya 2, there was one vote in favour and one against (by the nom), but I would believe the closer went with keep as an ATD because of less participation.
The deletion was fine as a standard no-opposition close. The closer Explicit used to treat such closes as soft deletes that are open to reversal, so it should be straightforward to undelete and relist if that is the opinion. Jay 💬 08:30, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I had made a collated comment at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#Krish 1 for all of those discussions. You are right I was notified of one of the listings (Koi Mil Gaya 3). By being unaware I meant that I did not know it was being treated separately and would not be relisted (similar to the 2nd and 1st films) despite my comment at the Krish 1 entry, saying that I am making a reply for all of these listings. I now realize that it is up to the closer to decide to relist and separate listings are treated separately and it was my mistake in not making a comment at the other two entries linking my comment and rationale from Krish 1. Gotitbro (talk) 15:22, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is fair to assume that when Explicit deleted the third and relisted the second, he may not even have been aware of the first set of entries, or the collated discussion, as it was already relisted 3 hours prior by another relister CycloneYoris. Nor did the nomination statements of 2 and 3 have a backlink to 1. Jay 💬 16:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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