You said: "One of my goals is to not use AI to generate text." - Talk:Pomeroy Green
I can tell you very clearly how to achieve this goal.
Do not use AI to generate text.
This "One of my goals" is not conducive to earning the trust of the community. Just don't do it. Not now, not ever; never.
I feel a serious dose of "Good Grief" coming on. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 21:56, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I agree with you. Greg Henderson (talk) 22:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Suitably vague. Seasider53 (talk) 23:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will try to be less vague. I get the issues that come with using AI to create Wikipedia articles, like the risk of spreading inaccurate or false information. I think it can be helpful in research and possibly writing, but should not be used to replace human thinking. So the goal is to provide reliable sources, no close paraphrasing, and no COI. Greg Henderson (talk) 00:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I ran the original version of this comment through GPTZero, and it showed 98% positive. – bradv 01:41, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I did too and was suprised, so I wrote again to make sure it passed. AI is a funny thing, even humans can write AI generated text! Greg Henderson (talk) 01:47, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like you might have just sealed your fate there. Seasider53 (talk) 01:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, that is just one thing too many. My good faith has been stretched beyond its elastic limit. Let me be clear:
you have been caught using AI to generate text at Talk:Pomeroy Green where you have said "One of my goals is to not use AI to generate text."
when I tell you very gently that this goal is easy to achieve by not using it, you replied "Yes, I agree with you." which is dissembling. Making no reply except an apology for the behaviour would have been wholly appropriate
You then used AI to generate the reply here "I will try to be less vague. I get the issues that come with using AI to create Wikipedia articles, like the risk of spreading inaccurate or false information. I think it can be helpful in research and possibly writing, but should not be used to replace human thinking. So the goal is to provide reliable sources, no close paraphrasing, and no COI.:
when caught by GPTZero with a 98% match, one I have also verified, you said "Yes, I did too and was suprised, so I wrote again to make sure it passed. AI is a funny thing, even humans can write AI generated text!" which is patently difficult to believe, since the probability is that you would have checked it again.
Now we need a very good reason indeed not to take this further to ANI with a proposal to extend your block to a total one. Your behaviour appears to me to be non collegial at best. Please think hard. It seems to me that this is now your final chance. There is no rush. Unless, of course, someone else takes action at once. Remember, many people have been prepared to act positively towards you despite your editing track record. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 06:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I apologize for using AI to generate text for articles. Greg Henderson (talk) 14:25, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I consider that to be too late.
Forced apologies are no apology.
I have been supportive of you previously, willing to guide you. That was before this self created AI farrago. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 16:04, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about this mess. Thanks for previous support. It will take some time to recover from this. However, my apology is most sincere. Greg Henderson (talk) 16:15, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"This mess" does not appear to me the accept that you created and caused it. What concerns me is that editors seem to need to guide your understanding, both of correct editing, and of the correct understanding of acceptable behaviours.
You need to take responsibility for your actions.
At present you seem unable or unwilling to do so. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 05:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am willing to do this! I am dedicated to helping to expand the scope of Wikipedia. I appreciate your past support. Please allow me to show you that I am a positive person that can contribute and follow the rules. Greg Henderson (talk) 14:30, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please do it by not being a total prat. The AI business is an example of being one. The ice is very thin. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 22:39, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Greghenderson2006:, editors have asked you about your use of ChatGPT/AI in creating responses. You've not been forth coming and evasive in response. If you're adding a comment and they're not written by you, then you are expected to be transparent about that. Graywalls (talk) 06:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just want to point out, GPTZero can be incredibly inaccurate and really shouldn't be used to make decisions on if text is AI-generated or not.
I can usually tell when text is AI-generated as it does have a very specific style, cadence, and use of words - ironically the comment from @Greghenderson2006 above has a couple of those in the text so GPTZero may indeed be right in that case.
@Greghenderson2006 I missed the ANI discussion. I've accepted a couple of your articles via AfC in the past. You can write good articles. Just, please, no more COI editing. No more AI editing. It's not worth it. Qcne(talk) 14:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Got it! Thank you for accepting some of my AfC articles. I try to my best and enjoy writing these articles. I will not use COI and AI editing. You are right, it is not worth it! Greg Henderson (talk) 14:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Qcne:, that's true. However a black and white difference in the result after submitting writing samples from suspected user's most recent contributions and doing the same with their writing samples from pre-ChatGPT era would satisfy WP:DUCK.
For example, Thank you for your message. I appreciate you bringing this to my attention... as well as Thanks for your comments. Yes, I am interested in Californian history... at User_talk:Greghenderson2006/Archive_10#Shipbuilder_articles from 2021 comes up as 3% chance of AI.
However, I appreciate your feedback and concerns regarding the quality of my edits. For me quaility is important... from March 22, 2024 at User_talk:Greghenderson2006/Archive_20 comes as 100% AI coinciding in time with skyrocketing ChatGPT popularity. Graywalls (talk) 23:05, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Overly detailed
Your article tends to be unusually name drop heavy. It will take too much time to go hunt down specific diffs and discussions, but in prior articles somewhere, there's been a discussion with multiple editors about the extent of details about each school one passed through and teachers they've had. Yet, here we're at it again. Graywalls (talk) 23:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your submission at Articles for creation: Cueva Pintada (California) (June 18)
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AfC notification: Draft:Arthur H. Vachell has a new comment
I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Arthur H. Vachell. Thanks! Zeromonk (talk) 13:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Zeromonk, thanks for bringing this to my attention. I've updated Draft:Arthur H. Vachell to include two more citations that mention that Arthur and his brothers introduced polo to the West Coast. I think that this draft is worthy of WP:BASIC notability based on the secondary sources from Jennie V. Cannon and other, introducing Polo to the West Coast, for his body of artwork, and being represented at the Monterey Museum of Art. Greg Henderson (talk) 15:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Anton C. Heidrick (July 2)
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Notability has not been established for this person who was simply doing his job as a trumpet player and Army documentary photographer and as a commercial photographer. As a photographer his work is not held in any notable art museums nor national galleries of art. The collections that own his work is because of the subject matter he photographed, not because his work has artistic merit and was curated into important museum collections. I can't see how they would meet NARTIST nor GNG.
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