Wikipedia page for discussing categories
Categories for discussion (CfD) is the central venue for discussing specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories and stub types in accordance with the guidelines for categorization, category naming and stub articles.
For detailed instructions about using CfD, see "How to use CfD" below. Briefly, nominations are handled through one of two processes:
- Speedy renaming and merging, for uncontroversial proposals that meet specified criteria—see "Speedy renaming and merging" below.
- Full discussion, for all other proposals. Discussions typically remain open for at least seven days and are closed once a rough consensus has formed or no objections to the nomination are raised.
Except in uncontroversial cases such as reverting vandalism, do not amend or depopulate a category once it has been nominated at CfD as this hampers other editors' efforts to evaluate a category and participate in the discussion.
When a category is renamed or merged with another category, in limited circumstances it may be helpful to leave an instance of the {{Category redirect|...}} template on the category's former page. See "Redirecting categories" below for more information.
Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a CfD request that is limited in scope to renaming, as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the request closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of a CfD move discussion to determine whether or not the close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines. CfDs involving deletion should be reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion review.
Scope
CfD is intended only for specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories or stub types. For general discussion about how to improve the category system, use other appropriate venues such as Wikipedia talk:Categorization, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, and any relevant WikiProjects' talk pages.
Current discussions
Add a new entry
Discussions awaiting closure
See also the list of individual discussions awaiting closure here and the list of full open discussions awaiting closure here.
How to use CfD
Nomination procedure
Twinkle
You may use Twinkle to facilitate CfD nominations. To install Twinkle, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and check "Twinkle" in the "Browsing" section. Use the now-installed "XfD" (Start a deletion discussion) tab while viewing the page you want to nominate.
Twinkle only allows you to nominate a single category or stub template. For bundled nominations including multiple categories, see § MassCFD.
MassCFD
You can use the script User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/massCFD to automatically make mass nominations.
Manual nominations
Stub types
Notifying interested projects and editors
In addition to the steps listed above, you may choose to invite participation by editors who are likely to be informed about a nominated category. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing. In addition, to help make your messages about the CfD discussion clear, avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations, link to relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the discussion itself.
- Notifying related WikiProjects
WikiProjects consist of groups of editors who are interested in a particular subject. If a nominated category is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, consider adding a brief, neutral note on their talk page(s) about the nomination. You may use {{subst:cfd notice|Category name|2024 July 17|CfD section name}} ~~~~ or write a personalized message.
Tagging the nominated category's talk page with a relevant WikiProject's banner will include the category in that WikiProject's Article Alerts if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a nominated category with {{WikiProject Physics}} will add the discussion to Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.
- Notifying substantial contributors to the category
While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and main contributors of the category that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, check the category's page history or talk page. You may use {{Cfd notice}} to inform the category's creator and all other editors.
- Notifying other interested editors
It may be helpful to invite other subject-matter experts by posting a message on the talk page of the most closely related article, such as Protein family for Category:Protein families. You may use {{Cfdnotice}} for this.
Closing procedure
After seven days, someone will close the discussion according to the consensus that formed or, if needed, relist it to allow more discussion. Editors closing discussions must follow the administrator instructions and, except in the case of a "keep" or "no consensus" outcome, implement the result or log it at the Working page to ensure it is implemented.
Redirecting categories
In general, an unpopulated category should be deleted (see speedy deletion criterion C1) because it is not useful for navigation and sorting. In limited circumstances, and because categories cannot be redirected using "hard" redirects (i.e. #REDIRECT[[''target'']]), we use a form of "soft redirect" to solve the issue. You can create a category redirect by adding {{Category redirect|target}} to the category page. Bots patrol these categories and move articles into the "redirect" targets.
In particular, category redirects are used at the former category name when we convert hyphens into en dashes (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations). It is also helpful to set up category redirects from titles with plain letters (i.e. characters on a standard keyboard) where the category names include diacritics.
A list of redirected categories is available at Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories.
Speedy renaming and merging
Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.
- Determine which speedy criterion applies
- Tag category page with
{{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}} or {{subst:cfm-speedy|Merge target}} - List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page
Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points, but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.
Request may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.
Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g., "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}} with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E may also be processed instantly (at the discretion of an administrator) as it is a variation on G7.
To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:
- Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~
You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead, you should edit the section WP:Categories for discussion#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here or the page WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here (WP:CFDS). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search WP:CFDS to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion, but unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments, but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy.
Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be untagged and delisted after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.
If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.
Speedy criteria
The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:
C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes
- Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
- Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
- Correction of obvious grammatical errors, such as a missing conjunction (e.g. Individual frogs toads → Individual frogs and toads). This includes pluralizing a noun in the name of a set category, but not when disagreement might reasonably be anticipated as to whether the category is a topic or set category.
C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices
C2C: Consistency with established category tree names
Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names
- This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
- This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
- This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).
C2D: Consistency with main article's name
- Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
- This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
- unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
- uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if the result would be contrary to guidelines at WP:CATNAME, or there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
- This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
- Before nominating a category to be renamed per WP:C2D, consider whether it makes more sense to move the article instead of the category.
C2E: Author request
- This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
- The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.
C2F: One eponymous page
- This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article, list, template or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use
{{subst:cfm-speedy}} (speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article).
Admin instructions
When handling the listings:
- Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
- With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
- Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.
If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.
Applying speedy criteria in full discussions
- A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
- The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
- No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
- If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.
If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.
If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.
Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:
* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:
* REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
To note that human action is required, e.g. updating a template that populates the category, use:
* NO BOTS [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
Remember to tag the category page with: {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 05:51, 15 July 2024 (UTC). Currently, there are 140 open requests (refresh).
Current requests
Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).
- Category:19th century people from Mississippi to Category:19th-century people from Mississippi – C2E: forgot a hyphen Mason (talk) 04:23, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Women Korean independence activists to Category:Korean women independence activists – C2B: norm is "Korean women" activists Mason (talk) 01:21, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Women Indian independence activists to Category:Indian women independence activists – C2B: word ordering is "Indian women" activists Mason (talk) 01:18, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Smasongarrison I would question this. Current name includes non-Indian women who were Indian independence activists, such as Sarla Behn and Annie Besant. TSventon (talk) 01:27, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm happy to remove the non-indian folks, and put them into a new category of Activists for Indian independence. Mason (talk) 01:30, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, it looks like Sarla Behn moved to India, and is categorized in several other Indian FOOian categories. Similar case with Annie Besant. In other words, it looks like they were intentially categorized as being in Indian women categories. Mason (talk) 01:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- That works for the women, but there are several men in Category:Indian independence activists who look British, e.g. Reginald Reynolds and Allan Octavian Hume. TSventon (talk) 02:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not sure why it's necessary to fully fix the entire parent category structure. The British people could be People from British India. Regardless, it was pretty clear that the category contents reflect Indian women, and are inconsistent with other women activists categories. Mason (talk) 02:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Kranky albums to Category:Kranky (record label) albums – C2D: Kranky (record label) ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Fijian geoscientists to Category:Fijian earth scientists – C2C: all siblings are in Earth scientists by nationality, and are called FOOian earth scientists. (and not FOOian Category:Geoscientists. The category description of Earth sciences reads "Earth science (also known as geoscience, the geosciences, or the Earth sciences) includes all the sciences related to the planet Earth. It is arguably a special case in planetary science, Earth being the only known life-bearing planet known to Homo sapiens. There are both reductionist and holistic approaches to Earth science." Mason (talk) 00:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:People involved in race and intelligence controversies to Category:People associated with race and intelligence controversies – C2E: I'm cleaning up the parent category to make it more navigable. I realized that this name implies that each person is directly involved in the controversy (or advocating that there are genetic between group differences). A subset of folks in here do work that effectively argues the opposite (or folks who are actively involved in demonstrating that the differences aren't caused by race). Mason (talk) 21:16, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Joondalup line to Category:Yanchep line – C2D: Consistency with Yanchep line after RM from Joondalup line. Fork99 (talk) 22:19, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Canterbury Region – C2D: Per move discussion from March of 2022 and to match the main article at Canterbury Region. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:19, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Question: Should all of these be at "in the Canterbury Region", not "in Canterbury Region"? The title of Geology of the Canterbury Region and running text in Canterbury Region suggest they might. This contrasts somewhat with the usage at Southland Region (see below), but is the same style (whichever one it is) preferable for both regions? Ham II (talk) 10:10, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- "the Canterbury Region", similar to "the West Coast Region" and "the Marlborough Region", which have just been done. Nurg (talk) 08:43, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Bays of Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Bays of Canterbury Region
- Category:Bridges in Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Bridges in Canterbury Region
- Category:Buildings and structures in Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Buildings and structures in Canterbury Region
- Category:Canterbury, New Zealand geography stubs to Category:Canterbury Region geography stubs
- Category:Canterbury, New Zealand river stubs to Category:Canterbury Region river stubs
- Category:Canyons and gorges of Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Canyons and gorges of Canterbury Region
- Category:Cricketers from Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Cricketers from Canterbury Region
- Category:Education in Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Education in Canterbury Region
- Category:Environment of Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Environment of Canterbury Region
- Category:Geography of Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Geography of Canterbury Region
- Category:Headlands of Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Headlands of Canterbury Region
- Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 1 historic places in Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 1 historic places in Canterbury Region
- Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 2 historic places in Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 2 historic places in Canterbury Region
- Category:Hiking and tramping tracks in Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Hiking and tramping tracks in Canterbury Region
- Category:History of Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:History of Canterbury Region
- Category:Islands of Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Islands of Canterbury Region
- Category:Lagoons of Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Lagoons of Canterbury Region
- Category:Lakes of Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Lakes of Canterbury Region
- Category:Landforms of Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Landforms of Canterbury Region
- Category:Mayors of places in Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Mayors of places in Canterbury Region
- Category:Military personnel from Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Military personnel from Canterbury Region
- Category:Mountain ranges of Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Mountain ranges of Canterbury Region
- Category:Mountains of Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Mountains of Canterbury Region
- Category:Museums in Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Museums in Canterbury Region
- Category:Parks in Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Parks in Canterbury Region
- Category:People educated by school in Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:People educated by school in Canterbury Region
- Category:People from Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:People from Canterbury Region
- Category:Politics of Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Politics of Canterbury Region
- Category:Populated places in Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Populated places in Canterbury Region
- Category:Protected areas of Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Protected areas of Canterbury Region
- Category:Rail transport in Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Rail transport in Canterbury Region
- Category:Religious buildings and structures in Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Religious buildings and structures in Canterbury Region
- Category:Rivers of Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Rivers of Canterbury Region
- Category:Rock formations of Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Rock formations of Canterbury Region
- Category:Rugby league in Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Rugby league in Canterbury Region
- Category:Rugby league players from Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Rugby league players from Canterbury Region
- Category:Rugby league players in Canterbury, New Zealand by club to Category:Rugby league players in Canterbury Region by club
- Category:Rugby union players from Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Rugby union players from Canterbury Region
- Category:Schools in Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Schools in Canterbury Region
- Category:Secondary schools in Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Secondary schools in Canterbury Region
- Category:Ski areas and resorts in Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Ski areas and resorts in Canterbury Region
- Category:Sport in Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Sport in Canterbury Region
- Category:Sports venues in Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Sports venues in Canterbury Region
- Category:Sportspeople from Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Sportspeople from Canterbury Region
- Category:Tourist attractions in Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Tourist attractions in Canterbury Region
- Category:Transport buildings and structures in Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Transport buildings and structures in Canterbury Region
- Category:Transport in Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Transport in Canterbury Region
- Category:Volcanoes of Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Volcanoes of Canterbury Region
- Category:Wetlands of Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Wetlands of Canterbury Region
- Category:Southland, New Zealand to Category:Southland Region – C2D: Per move discussion from March of 2022 and to match the main article at Southland Region. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:16, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Question: Should these be at "in the Southland Region" or "in Southland Region"? Southland Region has one piece of running text, "
A map showing population density in the Southland Region at the 2006 census.
", which suggests the former, and three pieces of running text which suggest the latter: "Southland Region and the Southland Regional Council were created in 1989
", "Southland Region covers 31,218.27 km2
" and "Southland Region had a population of 97,467 at the 2018 New Zealand census
". This contrasts somewhat with the usage at the article Canterbury Region (see above), but is the same style (whichever one it is) preferable for both regions? Ham II (talk) 10:10, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]- "the Southland Region", similar to "the West Coast Region" and "the Marlborough Region", which have just been done, and similar to all the other NZ regions, as can be seen by navigating down the tree at Category:Regions of New Zealand. Nurg (talk) 08:47, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Bays of Southland, New Zealand to Category:Bays of Southland Region
- Category:Bridges in Southland, New Zealand to Category:Bridges in Southland Region
- Category:Buildings and structures in Southland, New Zealand to Category:Buildings and structures in Southland Region
- Category:Education in Southland, New Zealand to Category:Education in Southland Region
- Category:Geography of Southland, New Zealand to Category:Geography of Southland Region
- Category:Ghost towns in Southland, New Zealand to Category:Ghost towns in Southland Region
- Category:Headlands of Southland, New Zealand to Category:Headlands of Southland Region
- Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 1 historic places in Southland, New Zealand to Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 1 historic places in Southland Region
- Category:Hiking and tramping tracks in Southland, New Zealand to Category:Hiking and tramping tracks in Southland Region
- Category:Hills of Southland, New Zealand to Category:Hills of Southland Region
- Category:History of Southland, New Zealand to Category:History of Southland Region
- Category:Islands of Southland, New Zealand to Category:Islands of Southland Region
- Category:Lakes of Southland, New Zealand to Category:Lakes of Southland Region
- Category:Landforms of Southland, New Zealand to Category:Landforms of Southland Region
- Category:Mayors of places in Southland, New Zealand to Category:Mayors of places in Southland Region
- Category:Military personnel from Southland, New Zealand to Category:Military personnel from Southland Region
- Category:Mountain ranges of Southland, New Zealand to Category:Mountain ranges of Southland Region
- Category:Mountains of Southland, New Zealand to Category:Mountains of Southland Region
- Category:Museums in Southland, New Zealand to Category:Museums in Southland Region
- Category:People educated by school in Southland, New Zealand to Category:People educated by school in Southland Region
- Category:People from Southland, New Zealand to Category:People from Southland Region
- Category:Politics of Southland, New Zealand to Category:Politics of Southland Region
- Category:Populated places in Southland, New Zealand to Category:Populated places in Southland Region
- Category:Protected areas of Southland, New Zealand to Category:Protected areas of Southland Region
- Category:Rail transport in Southland, New Zealand to Category:Rail transport in Southland Region
- Category:Rivers of Southland, New Zealand to Category:Rivers of Southland Region
- Category:Rugby league in Southland, New Zealand to Category:Rugby league in Southland Region
- Category:Rugby union players from Southland, New Zealand to Category:Rugby union players from Southland Region
- Category:Schools in Southland, New Zealand to Category:Schools in Southland Region
- Category:Secondary schools in Southland, New Zealand to Category:Secondary schools in Southland Region
- Category:Southland, New Zealand geography stubs to Category:Southland Region geography stubs
- Category:Southland, New Zealand river stubs to Category:Southland Region river stubs
- Category:Sport in Southland, New Zealand to Category:Sport in Southland Region
- Category:Sports venues in Southland, New Zealand to Category:Sports venues in Southland Region
- Category:Sportspeople from Southland, New Zealand to Category:Sportspeople from Southland Region
- Category:Tourist attractions in Southland, New Zealand to Category:Tourist attractions in Southland Region
- Category:Transport buildings and structures in Southland, New Zealand to Category:Transport buildings and structures in Southland Region
- Category:Transport in Southland, New Zealand to Category:Transport in Southland Region
- Category:Wetlands of Southland, New Zealand to Category:Wetlands of Southland Region
Opposed requests
- Category:Sheep breeds originating from Indigenous Americans to Category:Sheep breeds originating from indigenous Americans – C2A. Wikihistorian (talk) 13:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Move to full CfD. Indigenous peoples of the Americas is the pertinent article. See my comments on "Breeds originating from Indigenous people" below for the rest of my rationale. Ham II (talk) 14:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Pig breeds originating from Indigenous Americans to Category:Pig breeds originating from indigenous Americans – C2A. Wikihistorian (talk) 13:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Move to full CfD. Indigenous peoples of the Americas is the pertinent article. See my comments on "Breeds originating from Indigenous people" below for the rest of my rationale. Ham II (talk) 14:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Horse breeds originating from Indigenous Americans to Category:Horse breeds originating from indigenous Americans – C2A. Wikihistorian (talk) 13:39, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Move to full CfD. Indigenous peoples of the Americas is the pertinent article. See my comments on "Breeds originating from Indigenous people" below for the rest of my rationale. Ham II (talk) 14:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Dog breeds originating from Indigenous Americans to Category:Dog breeds originating from indigenous Americans – C2A. Wikihistorian (talk) 13:39, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Move to full CfD. Indigenous peoples of the Americas is the pertinent article. See my comments on "Breeds originating from Indigenous people" below for the rest of my rationale. Ham II (talk) 14:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Mammal breeds originating from Indigenous Americans to Category:Mammal breeds originating from indigenous Americans – C2A. Wikihistorian (talk) 13:38, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Move to full CfD. Indigenous peoples of the Americas is the pertinent article. See my comments on "Breeds originating from Indigenous people" below for the rest of my rationale. Ham II (talk) 14:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Breeds originating from Indigenous Americans to Category:Breeds originating from indigenous Americans – C2A: cf. Category:Crops originating from indigenous Americans Wikihistorian (talk) 13:37, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Move to full CfD. Indigenous peoples of the Americas is the pertinent article. See my comments on "Breeds originating from Indigenous people" below for the rest of my rationale. Ham II (talk) 14:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Breeds originating from Indigenous people to Category:Breeds originating from indigenous people – C2A. Wikihistorian (talk) 13:34, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Move to full CfD. Indigenous peoples is the pertinent article (note the plural), and the first endnote there says that most style guides recommend a capital "I" in running text. The category's current scope is conceptually shaky, conflating as it does people indigenous to the Americas with ones from the Basque Country; it should probably be reserved for capital-I Indigenous peoples, which means only the first group. The idea of animal breeds originating from people has a problematic ring; is there a better way of expressing this? Ham II (talk) 14:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:LGBT men artists to Category:LGBT male artists – C2B: Norm is "Male artists" Mason (talk) 19:52, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Smasongarrison: the norm is also Category:LGBT men not the least because of transgender men. I guess this should go to full discussion with a notification at the LGBT WikiProject talk page. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Please look at the siblings for other LGBT fooian male occupations. There's no other example of Fooian men occupations. Mason (talk) 12:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support as the cat creator. --MikutoH talk! 16:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment in fact, I based the title of this with the same pattern of the women equivalent. --MikutoH talk! 01:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On hold pending other discussion
- Category:1924 establishments in Mozambique to Category:1924 establishments in Portuguese Mozambique – C2C with Category:1920s in Portuguese Mozambique, following parameter change by Marcocapelle.[1] The member pages are in Beira, Maputo and Nampula which were all under Portuguese control at the time. – Fayenatic London 12:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Moved to full discussion
- @LaundryPizza03: oppose, "sacked" was suggested in full CfD for a good reason, namely that in many cases the damage has been repaired ages ago, so "destroyed" is not applicable. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:39, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @LaundryPizza03: Comment. Moving the verb to third position is a straightforward improvement in clarity. Changing the verb from "sacked" to "destroyed" requires consensus. Jruderman (talk) 05:39, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Family of Boris Johnson to Category:Boris Johnson family – C2B. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:05, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- It has been recently moved via speedy, may be we should go for a full discussion.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Ymblanter, oh I did that, incorrectly thinking it was an error or the wrong. But in fact the previous version was the correct form so was just undoing it. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:53, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Princesses of Montenegro to Category:Montenegrin princesses – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:14, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Princes of Montenegro to Category:Montenegrin princes – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:13, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Princesses of the Netherlands to Category:Dutch princesses – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:12, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Princesses of Serbia to Category:Serbian princesses – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:11, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Princesses of Poland to Category:Polish princesses – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:11, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Princesses of Luxembourg to Category:Luxembourgian princesses – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:10, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Princesses of Liechtenstein to Category:Liechtenstein princesses – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Princesses of Greece to Category:Greek princesses – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Princesses of Denmark to Category:Danish princesses – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:40, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Princesses of Belgium to Category:Belgian princesses – C2A. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:40, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Princesses in Italy to Category:Italian princesses – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Princesses of Sweden to Category:Swedish princesses – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Princesses of Iraq to Category:Iraqi princesses – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Princes of Afghanistan to Category:Afghan princes – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Princes of Saudi Arabia to Category:Saudi Arabian princes – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Princesses in Germany to Category:German princesses – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Princes of the Netherlands to Category:Dutch princes – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:15, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Princes of Luxembourg to Category:Luxembourgian princes – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:14, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Princes of Jordan to Category:Jordanian princes – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:12, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Princes of Iraq to Category:Iraqi princes – C2C: to match sister categories in Category:Princes by country. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:11, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Princes in Italy to Category:Italian princes – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:10, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Princes of Hawaii to Category:Hawaiian princes – C2C: to match sister categories in Category:Princes by country. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:09, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Princes of Greece to Category:Greek princes – C2C: to match sister categories in Category:Princes by country. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:05, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Princes in Germany to Category:German princes – C2C: to match sister categories in Category:Princes by country. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:59, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Princes of Denmark to Category:Danish princes – C2C: to match sister categories in Category:Princes by country. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Princes of Albania to Category:Albanian princes – C2C: to match sister categories in Category:Princes by country. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Omnis Scientia: shouldn't the standard be the other way around? These seem to be about princes and princesses of a country indeed, in contrast to "barons of" categories which you nominated at full CfD. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Marcocapelle, I'm not fully sure. The naming is uneven in all these categories. But for princes and princesses, I would say "Fooian princes" is the better form since there are also sovereign princes such as the Prince of Monaco and many more throughout history. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:41, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Also, I didn't move this one to full Cfd since majority were already "Fooian princes(ses)" so C2C applied here. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The usage of "prince" in Prince of Monaco is quite exceptional, in contrast to the usage of the word "prince" as "male member of the family of the monarch". In both cases they are princes of a country though. What otherwise would they be a prince of. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Marcocapelle, would you be is favor of taking it to full Cfd? Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Omnis Scientia: yes, but I will only support a reverse rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:08, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Either way is fine by me but I'll move it to full and then we can speedy the rest. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:20, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Moved to full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose all of them. Nationality =/= Country. First, a prince of Bohemia, of Austria, or of Bavaria were all considered to be German princes (during the HRE), while it would be difficult to argue that the prince of Bohemia, or of Austria are princes in Germany. Second, one could have been a princess in Denmark, or of the Netherlands, while being of French or of German nationality. I'm pretty much sure that searching a little bit, many of those cases would arise.SFBB (talk) 23:24, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- See for instance Category:Princesses of Orange that you would categorize as Dutch princess...it simply does not work. SFBB (talk) 23:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @SFBB: the discussion has been moved to full Cfd where there is an option A and B. Feel free to contribute there. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:24, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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