thx for the edits/clarifications; I was writing from spin-memory when I stubbed or rescrubbed it a long time ago. this bit of yours caught my eye:
Which is interesting because just last week I'd been musing on Pethick's retellings of the Meares Dispute is that this was precisely the point of the Nootka Conventions: that Spain opened up the coast and its former seat of power to all comers, though retaining the right to return and participate itself, which of course the Spanish Empire never had a chance to do, what with Bonaparte and all. So what rights and obligations Spain held to sell in the area were derived from the Nootka Conventions and the gentlemanly dinner negotiations between Vancouver and Quadra (or so one has this picture); in the shadow of the power of Chief Maquinna, whose rights as Hyas Tyee (or whatever his proper title is in Nuu-chah-nulth) both Great Powers recognized. So that's the interesting bit - the US claims it had acquired sole ownership from Spain, although Spain didn't have it to sell (perhaps forgiveable because of lack of continuity in diplomatic personnel from 1792 through 1819); the Nootka Conventions were certainly cited by the British in stating their case against the American one, even though by then Meares' land tenure fable was recognized as such; Spain had claimed sole rights and which were rejected by Britain as a result of Meares' come-uppance of them, but eventually was forced to acknowledge shared dominion. The most interesting detail, in terms of diplomatic history, is that the Great Powers referred to Maquinna as king, and in the course of these negotiations his position was simply that it was his land to decide who could do what on, not Spain's to tell anybody anything on. Although that's not in the text of the Conventions, it's partly because of his good graces that the negotiations took place at all, as well as the general onset of the fur trade as a whole in the Pacific Northwest. It's not just Nootka being a convenient anchorage to the North Pacific currents and winds; it's that of all the coastal chiefdoms (or whatever the proper term is) he was the most amenable - or perhaps the least punishing - to his guests. Nootka was a safe harbour; you could sleep at night, which in many harbours in BC wasn't a good idea, even with nets up...Skookum1 09:16, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I've added the text of the 3 conventions to wikisource. I just added a wikisource template link to this page, but only to the 1st convention, as I don't yet know how to make the template link to multiple pages. The wikisource page links to the other 2 anyway. Here are the direct URLs if it matters:
Now to make a page on the Nootka Crisis (one that isn't just a redirect). Pfly (talk) 04:42, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
I found a related political cartoon at the national archives. If you think it can be incorporated, you can upload it to commons. - TheMightyQuill (talk) 15:18, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
It is too simplistic to say that England did not recognise the Papal Bulls of Alexander VI just because it was "governed by protestants". First of all, the territories that he "gave away" to Spain and Portugal were not his to dispose of; furthermore he disposed of territories that did not exist or were not known to exist. Both the Papal Bulls and the Treaty of Tordesillas were illegal at the time and as antecedents would not be recognised in today's courts. For example, Argentina's claim to the Falkland Islands is partly based on the Papal Bulls - this mythical claim is nonsense.David1gla (talk) 18:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
I noticed some back and forth reverting here recently about the disputed sovereignty of the Falkland Islands (explicit or implied), and thought I'd try to improve the wording on the topic. Researching the issue quickly shows that it is complicated and controversial (go figure!). The relationship of the Nootka Convention to the Falklands dispute is mentioned in a great many sources which make a great many claims--some of which blatantly contradict each other, others make definitive, but dubious statements. For an in-depth look at the mess, check out Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-09-11 Falkland Islands/Mediation. Apparently there was a Wikipedia mediation case on the topic. After reading that page I decided not to try to write something brief about how the Nootka Convention is argued to apply, or not, to the Falklands--instead just pointing out that they "play a role" and that their applicability "is controversial and complicated." Anyone wanting to know more can read the Falkland Islands sovereignty dispute page now linked (esp. the Falkland Islands sovereignty dispute#Current claims section). I kept the source already used (the one in Spanish), which seemed a decent but somewhat biased toward the Argentine position, if I read the Spanish right. I added another source, which seems to be trying to be neutral but is probably somewhat biased toward the British position. Both are used on the Sovereignty of the Falkland Islands page. Pfly (talk) 06:22, 11 April 2010 (UTC) most in
It is said in the article that the US had no claim prior to the Adam-Onis treaty of 1819. However, according to the Oregon boundary dispute page, the United States had negociated joint occupation with the British in the treaty of 1818, which would seem to indicate that they were already claiming the region at that point...--Guillaume Hébert-Jodoin (talk) 00:03, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
The opening line uses the plural, and in history they're usually referred to that way. There are three.Skookum1 (talk) 12:53, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
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