You know, all you really have to do is look at the list of artists on the page to see what an utterly meaningless term it is to start with. There are countless instances, in that list alone, of artists whose ONLY similar characteristic is the country they are from, and the time period in which they were active. It's purely a journalistic wank word, and 98% of the people who would ever use it probably have, at best, extremely sketchy knowledge of most of the artists they're using it in conjunction with to begin with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.241.14.151 (talk) 00:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
From what's been written, it seems that Krautrock is an important predecessor and influence of Neue Deutsche Härte, most known by Rammstein, Megaherz, Eisbrecher and Oomph! and so if it is, it should definately be mentioned, no?
I think that on their last two CD's Wilco has definetly been showing a Krautrock influence with those freaky drones and songs like Spiders(Kidsmoke) so I'm gonna put something about that down there if you all are cool with it.
I disagree-It doesn't strike me as krautrock-esque at all. At anyrate, if they don't acknowledge the Krautrock influence, it's unfair to pin them with it.-FeralCats
I disagree,too: "freaky drones" are not relevant to "krautrock" (only).skysurfer 16:39, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Certainly not, there are numerous other genres of music that use such structures and devices as Wilco. The difference is that They have acknowledged it, though, in many interviews Jeff Tweedy has stated that bands like Neu and etc. have influenced their later records. Plus, their last two cd's were produced and mixed by Jim O'Rourke, who has worked with the Krautrock band Faust. They are constantly compared to krautrock bands in reviews as well.The Guilty Undertaker 18:30, 27 July 2006
In a short blip commending "Kicking Television", Q Magazine describes Spiders (Kidsmoke) as "chugging Krautrock". --Mavsandmacs 23:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
The proper name for this article is German rock . Brian W
What people. Whom are you mentioninh, sorry? I'll show you all, step by step,subtly, that electronic music almost ended in 1970s, and that ambient is ONLY Eno, Fripp, Hassell, and so on. Consistency and honesty. Brian W 02:02, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
John Varnom (ex Virgin records) has recently been credited as inventing the term Krautrock, Virgin needed a catch-all term for their early adverts in Melody Maker (when they were still a mail order only business). Simon Draper: "Tangerine Dream, which came out of the mail order thing, we were getting literally thousands of enquires for Tang Dream albums, because they weren't available in Britain. By the way we invented the name krautrock as we had a collumn in our Melody Maker record ad where we listed all of this German stuff we were importing. I think it was John Varnom that came up with the name".
Can people stop adding silly templates in the article. How crazy is this to ask for a citation when the entire article gives an explanation of the term. Instead of placing silly templates, people might try reading ALL information available on the subject, from international sites, to german sites, to Krautrocksampler, even the track "krautrock" by Faust. How could this possibly a POV claim, it's merely a simple observation of all documentation and references available. What's next, asking for citations for the rock music article because it states The genre of rock is broad, and its boundaries loosely-defined ? --LimoWreck 18:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
This is a rediculous argument. I'm sure it would be quite easy to find a refernce to back up your statement, Limowreck. As soon as I get home, I'll look though the relevent books and magazine articles and find something to use. Let the template stand until then. Kaldari 23:27, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Some references:
See how easy that was! There's no need to get so defensive about referencing things. Kaldari 00:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Bearing in mind the tenuous definition of this genre, I propose that it ought to be made a Redirect to electronic music, and any useful material incorporated there. --Mais oui! 17:44, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Monster Movie was released in 1969 so why does the first line say Krautrock bands appeared(? I didn't realise bands simply appeared, maybe just Krautrock ones) in the early 1970s? Maybe getting a few simple facts ironed out should be priority instead of more involved questions like "Is it rude to use the term Krautrock?" BTW according to Stuart Marconie and Julian Cope on the BBC Radio 6 Freak Zone German Music special it is! Maybe thats why Krautrock Sampler is never going to be back in print--KaptKos 11:35, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
All I will say is that it is incorrect to say that Krautrock is mostly instrumental. CAN, Neu!, and Amon Duul, three of the major bands of the genre, were anything but.
German wikipedia points out that Faust had a track on Faust IV called "Krautrock". Secretlondon 14:52, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Why Krautrock is tagged as an electronic genre? There is much in early albums by Faust, Ash Ra Tempel, Guru Guru that isn't electronic at all; such works are late-psychedelick rock/early-prog rock. Krautrock is a part of progressive rock, in other terms it's the German scene of prog rock, featuring its own styles, that focused on rhythms and atmospheres, unlike British style, that was strongly informed by blues and symphonic music.
Arguably, in a NEU! work, you can listen to both Pink Floyd and Sex Pistols. :D
Kraftwerk were likely the most consistent form of electronic style with less inlfluence from other contexts, The so called cosmic couriers, whose styles are referred to also as Kosmische musik, despite in some cases overlapped the same scene, featured a really different kind of music, Tangerine Dream and K. Scultze wre both electronic and spacey, Popol Vuh crossed the borders between space musi, world music and new age. This article deserves, needs further improvements.Doktor Who 00:30, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I have toned down the section on the origin of the name "krautrock" somewhat. It seemed to be to be giving a rather histrionic tone, implying the name was an act of dastardly racism. This has never been my understanding, I believe it more to be no more than mildly disparaging, with a younger generation taking hold of one of the insult's of their parents from WWII, and reappropriating it in the sphere of rock (as the german musicians themselves were doing). It ought to be possible to get some citations from the UK music press of the time, identifying where the term was first coined and the intention behind it. Any editors able to help with this?--feline1 16:34, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
As a German and citing (not only) the German page Wikipedia page about Krautrock the origin is definitely from Krauts(from Sauerkraut). You will also find this origin cited in all other languages, except the English one. In fact, it just fits wonderful to the old 100-year tradition of German bashing in England (see "Anti-German sentiment" here at Wikipedia). To say that this term is a humorous one is just ridicolous. Nobody in Germany is laughing about it, but additionally nobody is taking care about it. It's just like always the same from England, the German would not exspect aomething different from the Enlish. To give a humorous note to my statement: It's just the same like for the term "Made in Germany". This was given by the British trying to mark products of low quality. Nowadays, it's just the oposite. The same is true for Krautrock. Just the blame for England is leaving. Hiding the original intention of the wording is just increasing this blame. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.203.186.39 (talk) 20:34, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
I agree 100% that the term surely comes from that popular German dish, Sauerkraut. It makes no sense to claim that calling the Germans 'Krauts' is the British bashing the Germans. Most neighboring or related nations have nicknames for every other major nationality they interacted with. It did supposedly originate towards the end of WWI and at that time Germans would have tended to be an unpopular bunch. However, that does not mean someone sat down and thought 'let's upset the Germans by coming up with a nickname'. Correlation does not prove causality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.10.255.144 (talk) 22:10, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
The heartland of krautrock was of course West Germany. The article also mentions East Germany (DDR). But what about the german speaking countries Austria and Switzerland? Did they have any such scene? And did it emerge any important bands from there? It would be strange if not. These countries are very strongly connected to Germany culturally.
~~Glux Riffa~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.209.86.36 (talk) 23:39, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
One word - one very important word : Brainticket. You're welcome.
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Kraut means herb, so I always assumed that it was a simular term to acid folk in that it means a heavily drugged influenced version of the genre... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.78.20.196 (talk) 20:54, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Floh de Cologne is one of the most famous band of Krautrock ? Why forget him in the English Wikipédia ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.210.121.225 (talk) 20:53, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
It's difficult to find any authoritative references (on the web) to John Peel being 'largely credited with spreading the reputation of Krautrock outside of the German-speaking world'. There's lots of references to this phrase on various blogs etc but nothing which can be attributed with the specific reference to Peel himself. His own wiki page doesn't even mention Krautrock. Thoughts?Atamata (talk) 14:41, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Pretty sure it's meant to just be the most important artists to the genre, not just any German rock band that happened to release an album during the 70's. I think only a quarter of the current artists listed need to be there. Dadaesque (talk) 12:33, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Why are Kraftwerk and Faust not in the list??? --86.128.50.52 (talk) 10:41, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
This post was mainly sparked by the phrase "Krautrock was a humorous term invented by the UK press." I have my own opinion on that which differs from this post, but I think it is more productive to put forth good resources for those who intend to correct this article. I'm currently working on a short essay on the subject for school, so I don't really have the time to go through the process of attempting to edit the wiki article as well. Anyways here is a list of sources, and if you care, a brief excerpt from what I'm writing.
There are two documentaries which you can access on youtube, the most informational of which is called Kraftwerk, and the Electronic Revolution. The other one, a BBC Four documentary is more digestible and provides a simpler narrative. Here are the links respectively
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqlx_8MtoSk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B89-69icyc
Additionally, there are two books that have also proven informational. Undercurrents: The hidden wiring of modern music, by The Wire is a collection of articles from The Wire magazine. They are all relatively full of opinionated and pretentious language, but it's an interesting read that also provides a somewhat digestible and informational narrative on Krautrock. The other book is The Ambient Century by Mark Prendergast which is highly informational and relatively absent of opinion as far as music writing is concerned. I recommend this book highly along with the documentaries. Both books only contain 20-30 pages on Krautrock, but it appears to me that most resources concerning the subject are hard to find. If you care at all about the subject these are good places to start and have provided me with enough information to write a paper.
As far as my essay goes, this is my opinion on the term Krautrock as I've found through research. I was influenced by writing in the Wire, so its a bit embellished: As music ebbs and flows across borders, Germany's new wave of music floated back across the English Channel and into the ears of the people they were working so hard to separate themselves from. Thus they were deemed Krautrockers. The term "Krautrock" is, itself, contentious as the word Kraut is a racial epithet. However, in the 1970s, a London magazine, known for it's "snide xenophobia" invented the word for this new noise creeping through the airwaves. The magazine furthered the cause of the term by running it a second time as a de facto descriptor. The Germans were also busy inventing names for themselves, the most popular of which was Kosmiche Musik (music of the cosmos.) However, they didn't settle on a unified term as quickly as the English press and were stuck with a name that some Krautrockers, to this day, are unhappy with.
Since my essay is relatively short I didn't include this, but Krautrockers Faust were somewhat responsible for the term and are amused if not happy about its use. On the other side, members from Can, notably Jaki Liebezeit think that the term is insulting. So even among —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.212.82.85 (talk) 01:00, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
John Varnom (ex Virgin records) has recently been credited as inventing the term Krautrock, Virgin needed a catch-all term for their early adverts in Melody Maker (when they were still a mail order only business). Simon Draper: "Tangerine Dream, which came out of the mail order thing, we were getting literally thousands of enquires for Tang Dream albums, because they weren't available in Britain. By the way we invented the name krautrock as we had a collumn in our Melody Maker record ad where we listed all of this German stuff we were importing. I think it was John Varnom that came up with the name".
The article translates "Mama Düül und Ihre Sauerkrautband Spielt Auf" as 'Mama Düül and her Sauerkrautband Start Up.' This does not seem to be correct to me. "spielt auf" means "to play (music)". The correct translation seems to be "strike up" according to. [5]
I am not a native speaker of english, so I would appreciate some comment on this matter from a native speaker.Rubybrian (talk) 16:47, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Last year I noticed something strange. Having bought many krautrock albums, I wanted to search out west german psychedelia 67-69. But to my big surprise, I found nothing on CD not even on the excellent Green Brain shop in Germany or any of the Amazon shops.
Questions to the author, evt. other readers of this article:
Did West Germany more or less skip the psychedelia period and going directly from the beat bands to the krautrock bands that started in late 68? If so, why? Or was real psychedelia records made, but not reissued on CD?
The ONLY german psychedelia record I've come across is: WONDERLAND: Moscow 7" single, June 68
Stein Sundqvist, Oslo, Norway
PS. Is the first real krautrock album AMON DUUL 2: Phallus Dei from Apr.69? Beating Monster Movie by half a year. Or is it anyone earlier? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.128.106.111 (talk) 10:44, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
I mean, I can see why that topic might fit into this article, but there's no mention of the Berlin School of electronic music in this article. Just saying. 159.83.182.57 (talk) 23:04, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
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When the kosmische musik section was added, it failed to integrate the info that was already under "Etymology". Now the article confusingly states that the term was both "coined by Edgar Froese" and "invented by record producer Rolf-Ulrich Kaiser".--Ilovetopaint (talk) 22:17, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
I found an article source that helps paint a clearer picture of the origin of Krautrock and the atmosphere of the Germany, this is the article: [1]
I'm not very sure how to include this within the guidelines of Wikipedia as I'm new and just have 13 edits. I'd like to see this included in the origins and etymology section of the Krautrock article if possible. Any help would be much appreciated.
References
That way, we could help people find which Krautrock bands they enjoy on the list. That’s my suggestion.
Rudy Espinoza (talk) 19:43, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
A "map" https://i.ibb.co/XLTdw7y/kraut.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8109:1040:29C0:87F7:9FDD:D6A5:E0F8 (talk) 04:02, 22 July 2023 (UTC)