The pre-19th century history is quoted with permission from:Sønderjylland - The Duchy of Slesvig
The first sentence there says:
There is also the following table:
As Schleswig-Holstein Question, First War of Schleswig and Second War of Schleswig all have their own separate articles, those events do not need to be wordily and detailedly explained here. Here would suffice a concise summary of each of those. If so written, other eras of history of this province won't be dwarfed by that era. 217.140.193.123 7 July 2005 06:35 (UTC)
This text is pro-German and anti-Danish. For starters, I've removed the German expression "Protokoll-König / Protocol-King" which is an old slander against King Christian IX, who claimed the throne of Denmark in complete accordance with Danish law! On the scale of neutrality, that word is just as "neutral" as if somebody replaced all references to "German" or "Germans" with "Nazi" or "butcher". --Valentinian 08:25, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
In the introduction it seems that Holstein is the southermost part of Jutland, while later on the Text clearly talks of Schleswig being the southermost part. This may stem from the difference between the term "Jutish peninsula" wich may reach to the river Elbe and thus incorporate Holstein and the geografical term Jutland which is (at least in german) normally used for the Land north of the river Eider and thus excludes Holstein.
As it seems the saxons originated in a sort of unification process in which the Reudinger were integrated. The Reudingi shouldn't be made the sole ancestors of the Saxons as in this text. Furthermore did the Reudingi more probably inhabit the south eastern parts of Holstein until the 4th century (Stormarn,Lauenburg,Ostholstein). The west being both sides of the mouth of the river Elbe were inhabited by the Chaukes, the parts north of the Elbe later becoming the Dithmarsi (Dithmarschen) and around modern Hamburg the Stormari, maybe mentioned in the Nibelung Song. Almost all of the country east of a line Hamburg-Neumuenster-Schleswig was depopulated during the 4th-6th century. Slaves colonized the almost empty country since the 7th century, the later Wagria and Polabia. See Slavic peoples. The text is mixing historicall records! The land north of the river Elbe was inhabited totally different during the time of the Roman Empire and at the time of the Frankish Empire. The jutish peninsula was largely affected by the migration movements of the "Dark Ages" making its history even more difficult.
Could somebody with good literature at hand verify the above said and correct the article accordingly?
This quote Schleswig-Holstein Question in Literature may also be understood as a warning for anyone daring to venture into the History of Schleswig-Holstein.
good luck t.w.
I don't know enough about the history of the region to talk about its factual accuracy, but the quality of the article as it stands now is a little on the poor side. It seems that everything has been written twice, by different authors who haven't read each other's work. Someone who can pick out the best should look at rewriting so that every fact is stated exactly as many times as necessary. As is stands, 13the century is not particularly chronological, bouncing back and forth in time and repeating itself.Hinakana 08:12, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
As far as I am reading history of region, there were 3 nations present: Obodrites Saxons and Danes. In 19th and 20th century 2 nations struggled for it: Germans and Danes. Therefore history of middle dark ages is written from perspective of German-Danish conflict. What is missing are Obodrites, people that inhabited Eastern Holsteina and even for few years under Drosko owned almost all region. We need to complete history of their rise in power and then graduall fall - it took few centuries. I don't know how long it took in Holstein, but little bit closer to the south, language of Obodrite Drevani survived untill 19th century. Cautiuos2 (talk) 12:43, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
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Oho. I see it's sketched a dozen paragraphs later. At the moment, I can't figure out how to make it clear earlier. GcT (talk) 15:40, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
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