Talk:Exile (American band)

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Did Stokley leave in 1979 or 1980? Both are listed in this article.

Why is there no reference to the single "How Could This Go Wrong"? Youtube has the video of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.7.218.94 (talk) 23:30, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed merge of Jimmy Stokley into Exile (American band)

Stockley does not appear to be notable independently of the band. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 08:56, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There appear to be some unreliable and self published sources in the Exile (American band) article. This has led to a plethora of websites publishing the wiki article which in turn become cited as a reliable source in said wiki article. I have tried to remove one such source but as a novice Wikipedian I'm not sure exactly how to rectify this, and haven't yet grasped citing the same source several times in one article.

There is much controversy over Jimmy Stokley leaving the band and exactly when he left, if he was ousted or not, and if this contributed to alcoholism and subsequent death. Certain current band members who have benefitted from the years without Stokley blame other reasons such as his voice weakening or loss of enthusiasm, also a clash with the producers Mike Chapman and Nicky Chinn, however, again all seem opinion and heresay. Finding reliable sources after 40 years is not easy. Stokley has several fan pages on Facebook, many fans stated they were unable to follow the band Exile after Stokley was pushed out at the height of their success, due to other members wishing to change the band to a Country Music band, and attempts to remove Stokley from the history books.

Jayne7777 (talk) 14:35, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion has been defunct for several months, but I just happened to come to it today. I have to agree that Stokley had little notability outside of the band, and the articles should be merged. The individual article on Stokley consists largely of unreliable and non-notable fancruft on his early bands. His untimely death got media coverage, but that can be included in Exile's article (and already is). Unless anyone objects, I will complete a merge sometime soon, which would also be an opportunity to clean up some unsupported fancruft at the band's article too. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 21:31, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Since there is no further discussion, I will be bold and do the merge today, with a cleanup of Exile's article along the way. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 17:39, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Exile (American band)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: TenPoundHammer (talk · contribs) 17:56, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Tbhotch (talk · contribs) 19:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Upcoming review.

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality (prose is clear and concise, without exceeding quotations, or spelling and grammar errors):

   B. MoS compliance (including, but not limited to: lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists):

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources (including an appropriate reference section):

   B. Citation of available and reliable sources where necessary (including direct quotations):

   C. No original research:

   D. No copyright violations:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   edit wars, multiple edits not related to the GAN process, etc. (this excludes blatant vandalism):

6. Does it contain images (or other media) to illustrate (or support) the topic?

   A. Images (and other media) are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images (and other media) are provided where possible and are relevant, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Lead

• Refer to WP:NAMB. Exile and Exile (band) are redirected accordingly and the title is not ambiguous to create confusion with other bands.
• "also contributing on keyboard and guitar respectively." → "also contributing on keyboard and guitar, respectively."
• "Exile began a transition to country music in the beginning of the 1980s with Pennington and Taylor as vocalists" → "Exile began a transition to country music in the beginning of the 1980s, with Pennington and Taylor as vocalists"
• "Exile's sound is defined by vocal harmony with rock and pop influences, and the band is noted for their successful transition from rock to country. → WP:WEASEL

History

• "he was previously in local band called the Le Saber" → missing word
• "They spent most of the early-mid 1960s performing local gigs" → Can you clarify "early-mid 1960s"?
• "whose owner David Grigsby encouraged" → "whose owner, David Grigsby, encouraged"
• "a song which Smith wrote" → "a song that Smith wrote"
• "the Exiles began incorporating cover songs with more vocal harmony such as the Young Rascals" → "the Exiles began incorporating cover songs with more vocal harmony, such as the Young Rascals"

1965–1972

• "Richbourg took the band to Nashville to record material he selected" → "Richbourg took the band to Nashville to record material he had selected"
• "a move which impressed Rogers" → "a move that impressed Rogers."
• "None of these singles was successful" → Subject-verb concordance
• "In addition to keyboard" → In addition to the keyboard"
• "Smith was drafted after the band's move to New York City, leaving Exile without a bass player." → They still being the Exiles.
• "Mark Alan, a talent agent who" → "Mark Alan, a talent agent, who"
• "As a result, Exile did not have a lead guitarist" → the same as above

1972–1975

• "while the rest was once more composed" → once again
• "Among the covers was one of the Beatles's "We Can Work It Out" arranged by Cornelison." → "Among the covers was one of the Beatles's "We Can Work It Out", arranged by Cornelison.
• "He also released one single in 1983 in the country music band Hazard." → "He also released one single in 1983 with the country music band Hazard."
• "He had become acquainted with Exile through his work as a keyboardist in Lemco Studios" → at Lemco Studios

1975–1978

• "the band's first Warner/Curb album Mixed Emotions (1978)" → "the band's first Warner/Curb album, Mixed Emotions (1978)", also MOS:SLASH
• "William Morris Agency, a talent agency who assisted" → that assisted
• "while "You Thrill Me" reached number 40" → where?
• "whose version was sampled on Tupac Shakur's "All Eyez on Me"" → All Eyez on Me (Tupac Shakur song) has an article now

1978–1981

• "During the sessions Chapman faced increasing difficulty recording Stokley's voice" → Wasn't he fired? ("Williams became frustrated with the amount of control Chapman was exercising over the rest of the band; he was fired and replaced by Sonny LeMaire"). Also, "During the sessions, Chapman"
• "Opening and closing tracks" → The
• "After this, the band found two vocalists in Mark Gray and Les Taylor" → "After this, the band found two vocalists in, Mark Gray and Les Taylor"
• "who also contributed on keyboards and guitar respectively" → "who also contributed on keyboards and guitar, respectively"
• "They made their debut on Exile's third Warner album Don't Leave Me This Way (1980)" → "They made their debut on Exile's third Warner album, Don't Leave Me This Way (1980)"
• "his sound engineer Peter Coleman" → "his sound engineer, Peter Coleman,"
• "The band members found that unlike Chapman, Coleman → "The band members found that, unlike Chapman, Coleman"
• "He re-entrolled at Eastern Kentucky University" → Did you mean re-enrolled?
• "The band reinstated Chapman as producer" → This is coupled with the concern above. If he was fired as producer, it needs to be clarified above and explain what was his role after being fired.
• "help them become successful again, and that Coleman" → wrong comma
• "LeMaire and Pennington wrote several songs on the album including "Take This Heart"" → "LeMaire and Pennington wrote several songs on the album, including "Take This Heart""
•  "The album's only charted single release was its title track "Heart and Soul"" → "The album's only charted single release was its title track, "Heart and Soul""
• "which also entered the Bubbling Under Hot 100 singles charts" → It is one chart and the "also" is not needed

@TenPoundHammer: I'm going to pause here and continue with the second part tomorrow. As you can see, the issues are mostly related to commas and clauses, so I don't think I'll find major issues. Please, ping me because my watchlist is too long and I don't visit it regularly (ironically). (CC) Tbhotch^™ 05:32, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tbhotch: I don't know what you mean by WP:NAMB here. I don't see what issue needs to be fixed. Also, the "Williams became frustrated" part -- fixed a pronoun to clarify who was fired. Williams was fired, not Chapman. I can see where the confusion stemmed from on your part. I think I got everything else so far. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 06:03, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I meant the hatnote at the top. It is highly unlikely that readers confuse this band with a Japanese boy band based solely on the name of this page

Country music

• "Westbrook noted that at the time the band did not have positive critical reception due to their soft rock sound" → "Westbrook noted that the band did not have a positive critical reception at the time due to their soft rock sound"

1984–1985

• "Killen produced the album and Hargis served as sound engineer." → "Killen produced the album and Hargis served as sound engineer."
• "as opposed to most country bands at the time who relied on session musicians on their albums." → "as opposed to most country bands at the time, who relied on session musicians on their albums."
• ""She's a Miracle" was also made into a music video" would sound better in active voice

1985–1986

• "Other former members such as Davenport, Cornelison, Luxon, and Howard were in attendance as well." → "Other former members, such as Davenport, Cornelison, Luxon, and Howard, were in attendance as well."
• "Stokley died of hepatitis at age 41 in August 1985" → at the age of 41 or aged 41
• "Exile's third Epic album Hang On to Your Heart." → "Exile's third Epic album, Hang On to Your Heart."

Mid-late 1980s

• The band chose Elliot Scheiner, a pop producer who had worked with Bruce Hornsby and Steely Dan among others, to produce their final Epic album Shelter from the Night (1987)." → "The band chose Elliot Scheiner, a pop producer who had worked with Bruce Hornsby and Steely Dan, among others, to produce their final Epic album, Shelter from the Night (1987)."
• "While lead single "I Can't Get Close Enough"" → " While the lead single "I Can't Get Close Enough""

1989–1991

• "Exile released their first Arista Nashville album Still Standing in early 1990." → "Exile released their first Arista Nashville album, Still Standing, in early 1990."
• "DuBois co-produced with Randy Sharp," → "DuBois co-produced it with Randy Sharp,"
• "the fourth single "There You Go,"" → "the fourth single, "There You Go,""
• "the other two singles "Nothing at All" and "Somebody's Telling Her Lies" failed to chart at all." → "the other two singles, "Nothing at All" and "Somebody's Telling Her Lies", failed to chart at all."

Early-mid 1990s

• "Pennington performed two shows in Lexington, Kentucky to promote the album" → "Pennington performed two shows in Lexington, Kentucky, to promote the album"
• " but after proving unsuccessful in this regard he found work as a backing musician" → " but after proving unsuccessful in this regard, he found work as a backing musician"

Musical styles

• "Alabama was also integral in the shift of Exile's sound" → "Alabama was also integral to the shift of Exile's sound"

List of members

• Lee Carroll - keyboards (1986–1995) → The article says: In response, he quit in early 1987 and stayed in Nashville to own a music store. Lee Carroll took his place on keyboards.

References

• 74 "Chart history for Jay Black". Billboard → Billboard

• Also at "Exile Ends Theirs, Releases First New Music in Decades".

• In "After this concert was sold out, the five members decided to begin performing officially as Exile once more.", the underlined statement is not said in the source, at most, "Our former tour manager had gotten hurt on a motorcycle, and Sonny LeMaire called everybody and said ‘We need to go back home,’ which is Lexington, KY to do a fund raiser to help him out. We raised about $40,000 that night. It was just wonderful,”"
• 96 ""LifeNotes: Hit Songwriter Mark Gray Passes". MusicRow → MusicRow

• Also at "Exile Makes A 'Joyful Noise' This Holiday Season With New Christmas Album".

• 153 "Kentucky honors Exile". Country Standard Time. → Country Standard Time

• Also at "Exile, Davis, HeadHunters to join Kentucky hall".

• 156 Andrew Greeeenhalgh. "Wrapped Up in Your Arms for Christmas". → typo
• 159 "Exile signs with Clearwater Records". It is a dead link and it was a primary source anyway
• 160 "Exile Shares the Stories Behind the Songs on Their First Studio Album in 30 Years". American Songwriter. → American Songwriter
• 161 "In Its 60th Anniversary Year, Country Rock Band Exile Release 'Rough Around the Edges'". Occhi. → Occhi

@TenPoundHammer: I have completed my review. Let me know of any additional queries. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 19:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tbhotch: I think I got everything. The only one I'm contesting is italicizing Country Standard Time, as most manuals of style say website names are not to be italicized unlike magazines or books. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 20:04, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As much as I dislike it, it was determined by consensus (MOS:ITALICWEBSITE). Their history says that "Country Standard Time started as a magazine in 1993 and added a website in 1999. In 2009, Country Standard Time switched to a website only." But their website is still acting as an online magazine. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 20:08, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tbhotch: Think that's everything now, is it not? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 20:19, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.