Wikipedia:Deletion review

Deletion review (DRV) is for reviewing speedy deletions and outcomes of deletion discussions. This includes appeals to delete pages kept after a prior discussion.

If you are considering a request for a deletion review, please read the "Purpose" section below to make sure that is what you wish to do. Then, follow the instructions below.

Purpose

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Deletion review may be used:

if someone believes the closer of a deletion discussion interpreted the consensus incorrectly;
if a speedy deletion was done outside of the criteria or is otherwise disputed;
if significant new information has come to light since a deletion that would justify recreating the deleted page;
if a page has been wrongly deleted with no way to tell what exactly was deleted; or
if there were substantial procedural errors in the deletion discussion or speedy deletion.

Deletion review should not be used:

because of a disagreement with the deletion discussion's outcome that does not involve the closer's judgment (a page may be renominated after a reasonable timeframe);
(This point formerly required first consulting the deleting admin if possible. As per this discussion an editor is not required to consult the closer of a deletion discussion (or the deleting admin for a speedy deletion) before starting a deletion review. However doing so is good practice, and can often save time and effort for all concerned. Notifying the closer is required.)
to point out other pages that have or have not been deleted (as each page is different and stands or falls on its own merits);
to challenge an article's deletion via the proposed deletion process, or to have the history of a deleted page restored behind a new, improved version of the page, called a history-only undeletion (please go to Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion for these);
to repeat arguments already made in the deletion discussion;
to argue technicalities (such as a deletion discussion being closed ten minutes early);
to request that previously deleted content be used on other pages (please go to Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion for these requests);
to attack other editors, cast aspersions, or make accusations of bias (such requests may be speedily closed);
for uncontroversial undeletions, such as undeleting a very old article where substantial new sources have subsequently arisen. Use Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion instead. (If any editor objects to the undeletion, then it is considered controversial and this forum may be used.)
to ask for permission to write a new version of a page which was deleted, unless it has been protected against creation. In general you don't need anyone's permission to recreate a deleted page, if your new version does not qualify for deletion then it will not be deleted.

Copyright violating, libelous, or otherwise prohibited content will not be restored.

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Instructions

Before listing a review request, please:

Consider attempting to discuss the matter with the closer as this could resolve the matter more quickly. There could have been a mistake, miscommunication, or misunderstanding, and a full review may not be needed. Such discussion also gives the closer the opportunity to clarify the reasoning behind a decision.
Check that it is not on the list of perennial requests. Repeated requests every time some new, tiny snippet appears on the web have a tendency to be counter-productive. It is almost always best to play the waiting game unless you can decisively overcome the issues identified at deletion.

Steps to list a new deletion review

Commenting in a deletion review

Any editor may express their opinion about an article or file being considered for deletion review. In the deletion review discussion, please type one of the following opinions preceded by an asterisk (*) and surrounded by three apostrophes (''') on either side. If you have additional thoughts to share, you may type this after the opinion. Place four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your entry, which should be placed below the entries of any previous editors:

Endorse the original closing decision; or
Relist on the relevant deletion forum (usually Articles for deletion); or
List, if the page was speedy deleted outside of the established criteria and you believe it needs a full discussion at the appropriate forum to decide if it should be deleted; or
Overturn the original decision and optionally an (action) per the Guide to deletion. For a keep decision, the default action associated with overturning is delete and vice versa. If an editor desires some action other than the default, they should make this clear; or
Allow recreation of the page if new information is presented and deemed sufficient to permit recreation.

Examples of opinions for an article that had been deleted:

*'''Endorse''' The original closing decision looks like it was sound, no reason shown here to overturn it. ~~~~
*'''Relist''' A new discussion at AfD should bring a more thorough discussion, given the new information shown here. ~~~~
*'''Allow recreation''' The new information provided looks like it justifies recreation of the article from scratch if there is anyone willing to do the work. ~~~~
*'''List''' Article was speedied without discussion, criteria given did not match the problem, full discussion at AfD looks warranted. ~~~~
*'''Overturn and merge''' The article is a content fork, should have been merged into existing article on this topic rather than deleted. ~~~~
*'''Overturn and userfy''' Needs more development in userspace before being published again, but the subject meets our notability criteria. ~~~~
*'''Overturn''' Original deletion decision was not consistent with current policies. ~~~~

Remember that deletion review is not an opportunity to (re-)express your opinion on the content in question. It is an opportunity to correct errors in process (in the absence of significant new information), and thus the action specified should be the editor's feeling of the correct interpretation of the debate. Deletion review is facilitated by succinct discussions of policies and guidelines; long or repeated arguments are not generally helpful. Rather, editors should set out the key policies and guidelines supporting their preferred outcome.

The presentation of new information about the content should be prefaced by Relist, rather than Overturn and (action). This information can then be more fully evaluated in its proper deletion discussion forum. Allow recreation is an alternative in such cases.

Temporary undeletion

Admins participating in deletion reviews are routinely requested to restore deleted pages under review and replace the content with the {{TempUndelete}} template, leaving the history for review by everyone. However, copyright violations and violations of the policy on biographies of living persons should not be restored.

Closing reviews

A nominated page should remain on deletion review for at least seven days, unless the nomination was a proposed deletion. After seven days, an administrator will determine whether a consensus exists. If that consensus is to undelete, the admin should follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Administrator instructions. If the consensus was to relist, the page should be relisted at the appropriate forum. If the consensus was that the deletion was endorsed, the discussion should be closed with the consensus documented.

If the administrator closes the deletion review as no consensus, the outcome should generally be the same as if the decision was endorsed. However:

If the decision under appeal was a speedy deletion, the page(s) in question should be restored, as it indicates the deletion was not uncontroversial. The closer, or any editor, may then proceed to nominate the page at the appropriate deletion discussion forum, if they so choose.
If the decision under appeal was an XfD close, the closer may, at their discretion, relist the page(s) at the relevant XfD.

Ideally all closes should be made by an administrator to ensure that what is effectively the final appeal is applied consistently and fairly but in cases where the outcome is patently obvious or where a discussion has not been closed in good time it is permissible for a non-admin (ideally a DRV regular) to close discussions. Non-consensus closes should be avoided by non-admins unless they are absolutely unavoidable and the closer is sufficiently experienced at DRV to make that call. (Hint: if you are not sure that you have enough DRV experience then you don't.)

Speedy closes

Objections to a proposed deletion can be processed immediately as though they were a request at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion
Where the closer of a deletion discussion realizes their close was wrong, and nobody has endorsed, the closer may speedily close as overturn. They should fully reverse their close, restoring any deleted pages if appropriate.
Where the nominator of a DRV wishes to withdraw their nomination, and nobody else has recommended any outcome other than endorse, the nominator may speedily close as "endorse" (or ask someone else to do so on their behalf).
Certain discussions may be closed without result if there is no prospect of success (e.g. disruptive or sockpuppet nominations, if the nominator is repeatedly nominating the same page, or the page is listed at WP:DEEPER). These will usually be marked as "administrative close".

Active discussions

28 October 2024

Ivy Wolk

This is a purely WP:DRVPURPOSE#3 appeal. I am requesting that recreation of this article be allowed, as I have completed an AfC review of Draft:Ivy Wolk, and the submission has passed my review. I believe that the draft speaks for itself, that the included references demonstrate notability, and that it's a little too late to claim "too soon". Since the last time this was at DRV, an additional article was published: The Cut, October 25. —Alalch E. 02:07, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

27 October 2024

November 31 (closed)

25 October 2024

Category:American people who self-identify as being of Native American descent (closed)

23 October 2024

Tej Giri

I hope this is the right place to ask. I'm looking to restore this article and add proper sources. The deletion discussion highlighted the lack of independent sources, but I've mentioned some reliable sources based on Usedtobecool/PSN , which are highly reliable sources and old media of Nepal Here are the sources: himalayan news of nepal / nepal samachar patra nayapatrika dainik nagrik network nepal live Endrabcwizart (talk) 02:57, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Endorse. This DRV request was not properly formatted, so I fixed it. The appellant also failed to discuss it with the closer or even notify the closer of the appeal. As for the merits, the appellant appears to be making a DRV#3 appeal -- but the sources offered here were all presented in the deletion discussion and they did not attract any support for retention. The quorum for deletion was minimal, but there was a consensus (when including Mushy Yank's non-!vote comment) that the material did not belong in mainspace. A redirect might have been a better interpretation, but "delete" was within discretion. Dclemens1971 (talk) 04:06, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ehimalayatimes.com is not The Himalayan Times (thehimalayantimes.com) from Usedtobecool's list.—Alalch E. 12:18, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Anyways, endorse. The nomination and the discussion weren't great at all, but all taken together, it is clear enough that there was a rough consensus to delete on grounds of non-notability. —Alalch E. 15:13, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Endorse. As Dclemens1971 says, the sources presented here were already assessed at the AfD and found lacking. Nothing to justify overturning, or even draftifying. Owen× ☎ 12:48, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Endorse It's not entirely clear on what basis this review has been lodged, but if #1, then although the AfD had very little discussion, the close does seem to correctly reflect it. Whereas if this is instead a type #3 appeal, then the sources listed here, which are of course the same as were already listed in the AfD, don't (with the possible exception of the Nagrik Network one) contribute anything towards notability. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:59, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Endorse~~ ~~correct reading of discussion by closing admin.~~ Strong overturn to soft delete and restore as draft based on lack of quorum to delete (only one vote plus the nom. I do not consider Mushy Yank's comment to be supportive of deletion, I consider it an argument against redirecting). I agree with others that the sources do not come close to meeting WP:GNG, but DRV is not the place to evaluate sources. That is the role of AFD or AFC. Frank Anchor 16:18, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I read Mushy's comment as saying that he thought redirection might not be acceptable to the community since it might not be appropriate for the subject to be listed there if he didn't have a page, but that Mushy would be OK with redirection if it were. However, Mushy often !votes for "keep" and "redirect" and didn't here. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And Mushy also didn’t !vote to delete. Neither you, nor I, nor anyone else, can speculate on what a user thinks based on contributions to other AFDs. Frank Anchor 01:23, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Quorum does not exist as a requirement for consensus under policy, and soft deletion was not applied. It's possible to restore to draft regardless, but I don't agree that the decision should be based on the idea that there was a "lack of quorum". —Alalch E. 16:48, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:QUORUM, a deletion discussion receives minimal participation, the article may be deleted. However, in this case, the article can be restored for any reason on request. This AFD is a textbook WP:SOFTDELETE (assuming it was eligible for soft deletion), even if that term was not explicitly used, and therefore should be restored upon any good faith request, such as this DRV. I recommended a restoration to draft space because using only the sources presented at the AFD or here, the article would be right back at AFD again. Frank Anchor 13:07, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"WP:QUORUM" is a figurative shortcut and no guideline or policy imposes a quorum requirement in actuality. —Alalch E. 02:42, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And I never said there was. However, there is also clearly no DRV-appropriate argument against refunding to draft space. Frank Anchor 04:09, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Soft deletion says that. WP:QUORUM does not say that deletion discussions with minimal participation must be soft deleted, just that that's one of the options. —Cryptic 09:01, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

…and the option that should have been chosen here. Just because the closer didn’t choose that option, doesn’t mean the closer should not have. There is no justification to have “hard” deleted (unless not eligible for soft delete) when there is minimal participation. 12:23, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I also find Cryptic’s edit summary on their post be an unjustified insult of my vast experience on Wiki and particularly at DRV, and request an apology. Frank Anchor 12:26, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Meh I think technically this wasn't the best close as further “sources” were provided at the end and could only be discounted by the admin looking at them and saying they are junk. Which isn’t part of the conversation. However they are junk so I don’t really feel this is a winner if we did relist it. Spartaz ^Humbug! 21:35, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]