@ Aciram : Hola. Es genial que hayas hecho esta página, pero contiene varios errores. Si me envías un correo electrónico directamente , te daré la información correcta para que puedas corregirla. Saludos, Margaret Willson Cascadepass2021 ( discusión ) 17:51 29 dic 2021 (UTC)
en caso de duda, hay que ceder a la opinión de la comunidad: proponer la edición en la página de discusión del artículo y permitir que otros la revisen.Eso es lo que Cascadepass2021 quisiera hacer aquí, y creo que nos convendría hacer caso a este editor e incorporar cualquier edición adecuada. Peaceray ( discusión ) 02:16, 30 de diciembre de 2021 (UTC)
@ Numberguy6 , Aciram , Cascadepass2021 e Ipigott : Recibí un correo electrónico de Cascadepass2021 hace un par de semanas. Cascadepass2021I es un editor novato pero un autor e investigador experimentado. Cascadepass202 me pidió ayuda para incluir esto y formatearlo aquí. He sangrado y formateado el texto de esta manera:
Texto simple: mis comentarios
Monotype font: Cascadepass2021 quoting text from the article.Green text: Cascadepass2021's comments & suggestions
Allá vamos.
Foreman Thuridur or Þuríður formaður (1777 - 13 November 1863) was an Icelandic sea captain and foreman.[1] She is known for her success as a fishing steerer and for solving the case of the infamous Kambur robbery [is] in 1827.Foreman is a difficult word to use in English because the meaning is very different from the Icelandic formaður. I would suggest just Captain or Skipper.
Also, a captain in English is not a ‘steerer’; that is the helmsman, so I would delete that usage. Just repeat captain, she was a fishing captain.
She lived in the Árnesþing district in southern Iceland. She was the daughter of a fishingman.She started rowing (I would put ‘fishing’ here since that is what she was doing, or as a ‘deckhand’)
on her father’s fishing boat at age 11 during the spring and autumn fishing season for her father and (after her father died when she was 14)
for her brother Bjarni (who quickly changed her standing from a teenaged half-share deckhand to full, unusual for a woman so young)
. (She was already a rated seafarer in her teens, so I would change this next line to: At 20, Thurídur began fishing winter season with Captain Jón Thórdarsson of Móhús farm, for whom she worked until she became a winter captain herself in 1816.)
until she became a fully rated fisherman aged 20 for the winter season for Jón in Móhús. (this next line I would change to: After her father died she, like a number of Icelandic women working at sea at this time, started wearing trousers while fishing. Unlike other women, she soon began wearing them on shore as well, never to disguise herself as a man, but because she liked them better. Later in life, she also adopted wearing a fashionable men’s tail coat and short top hat.)
(this next line I would delete. She never got permission to wear trousers from anyone, indeed, after exhaustive research, it seems clear no such license ever existed. The county commissioner, sýslumaður, just said she needed one to blackmail her into helping him solve the Kambur crime.)
In her work she dressed as a man, for which she was given special permission from the district governor. (Next line: she was a summer and spring skipper from about 1801 or 1802; she started being a winter captain in 1816, went to Thorlákshöfn—I would stay consistent, either use Þ or Th—in 1830, and stopped being a captain in 1840, although she fished for others for a few years after that)
During the years 1802 – 1847 she worked as a steerer, first during the spring and autumn season, then for the winther season as steerer in Þorlákshöfn from 1816 – 1830. (this next line is inaccurate, there were actually a number of female formaður, aka captains, in Iceland, from Saga times and with records of them starting in the early 1700s. Thurídur was just the most well-known)
As far as it is documented, she was the first woman foreman position in Iceland and has been referred to as the first. (I am not sure I would say ‘cautious’ since she, like most captains of the time, took her share of calculated risks. She was brilliant a reading weather—and she consistently caught the most fish)
She was considered a cautious and careful captain who was popular among her crew. She had a successful career and moved around along the south coast during her working life. (I would just skip this last line for now. She stopped fishing in 1843, but worked at a merchant store and as a guide until the early 1850s. Older people, particularly women and those without children, often had to go on ‘poor relief’ in their elder years. Thurídur did because she spent all her money fighting the government to ensure care for her disabled adopted daughter—she won but it took everything she had. This is a complicated story that would take lots of archival citations, so I think it is best to just leave this line out for now. We can amend it later)
She retired in 1856 and when she stopped working she was forced to accept monetary help from the parish.She is also known for having assisted the authorities to identify the robbers of the infamous Kambur robbery in 1827. (She actually analyzed clues and figured out who the robbers were, so not ‘assist,’ she solved it)
In 1949, the replica of a fishing bothy (in English, I would just call this a hut)
called Þuríðarbúð was erected in Stokkseyri in her memory.Cascadepass2021 ha sugerido que utilicemos las siguientes citas:
{{cite book}}: |website=ignorado ( ayuda )Bueno, eso es todo. Peaceray ( discusión ) 22:38 15 ene 2022 (UTC)
Creo que conviene hacer los siguientes cambios:
También estoy a favor de los cambios que ha sugerido Cascadepass2021, siempre que podamos verificarlos a partir de las citas. Peaceray ( discusión ) 22:38 15 ene 2022 (UTC)
el capítulo relevante en ingléste refieres al libro de Willson de 2016 Seawomen of Iceland: Survival on the Edge , bueno, Cascadepass2021 ha reivindicado esa autoría. Consulta el primer hilo de esta página y la discusión de Wikipedia: WikiProject Women's History § Captain Thuridur page .
Entonces, revisé todo el cambio propuesto al artículo, verifiqué las fuentes e hice comentarios en línea como el cambio propuesto anteriormente.
(Formaður es el jefe de una organización, capataz no es ni de lejos. Capitán tampoco es lo mismo.)
Vivía en el distrito de Árnesþing, en el sur de Islandia. Era hija de un pescador.
Empezó a remar (estoy de acuerdo en cambiar el remo por la pesca)
en primavera con su padre a los 11 años (hasta que su padre murió cuando ella tenía 14, sí)
, luego en primavera y otoño con su padre y su hermano Bjarni. (utilicemos un cambio de rol aquí, cambiar de reparto es demasiado complicado, estoy de acuerdo con el cambio de oración en la siguiente línea).
Finalmente, cuando tenía 20 años, se convirtió en una marinera completamente competente, capaz de salir también en invierno para Jón en Móhús. Mientras trabajaba, con un permiso especial del gobernador local, se vestía como un hombre. (No es necesario poner más énfasis en su ropa, digamos simplemente que ella eligió usarla y el gobernador usó una licencia falsa para que ayudara con el caso del crimen de Kambur)
. Durante los años 1802-1847 desarrolló su habilidad marinera, primero durante la temporada de primavera y otoño, luego para la temporada de invierno como capataz en Þorlákshöfn de 1816 a 1830. (contrató a un hombre para que trabajara para ella en 1816. Use Thorlakshofn, según las reglas aquí. Dejó de ser capitana en 1840, sí, durante 7 años, mientras trabajaba en una tienda.) (Elimine la siguiente línea, sí, ya que no es correcta)
Hasta donde está documentado, fue la primera mujer en Islandia en tener el título de capataz de una flota pesquera. Se la consideraba una capitana cautelosa y cuidadosa que era popular entre su tripulación. (Seguro, elimine la línea anterior).
Tuvo una carrera exitosa y se movió a lo largo de la costa sur durante su vida laboral. Se jubiló en 1856 y cuando dejó de trabajar se vio obligada a aceptar ayuda monetaria de la parroquia. [2] [3] (Estoy de acuerdo con eliminar la última línea, desde un punto de vista neutral; además, todos los países nórdicos se consideran estados de bienestar, por lo que esto no se considera un gran problema).
También es conocida por haber ayudado a las autoridades a identificar a los ladrones del infame robo de Kambur en 1827.[4][5] (Sí, analizó las pistas). (Estoy de acuerdo con llamar cabaña a la "cabaña de pesca").
-- Snævar ( discusión ) 13:04 17 ene 2022 (UTC)
He trabajado bastante en el artículo, basándome principalmente en varias fuentes islandesas. Por favor, avísenme si hay alguna inexactitud. -- Ipigott ( discusión ) 16:26 17 ene 2022 (UTC)