User talk:See-N-e-v-e-r-M-i-n-d

Disclosures

May 2024

Hello See-N-e-v-e-r-M-i-n-d. The nature of your edits, such as the one you made to KETOS, gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:See-N-e-v-e-r-M-i-n-d. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=See-N-e-v-e-r-M-i-n-d|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. GSS 💬 04:19, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the detailed message. I have always disclosed my COIs. See-N-e-v-e-r-M-i-n-d (talk) 05:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would you mind clarifying whether you promote your paid editing services outside of Wikipedia? GSS 💬 05:29, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not offer "paid editing services" and as such, I do not promote the same. See-N-e-v-e-r-M-i-n-d (talk) 05:35, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see a disclosure on your User page which is required by Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. Please read this section over. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:50, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Liz. Thanks for your input. Please check again and advise. It's the first thing on this talk page. See-N-e-v-e-r-M-i-n-d (talk) 06:54, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See-N-e-v-e-r-M-i-n-d, in that case, may I know how you are being hired or paid? Or are you not being paid at all? GSS 💬 08:04, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Hired";"paid"? That's not the best way I'd describe this. I connect with subjects or representatives of subjects when I reach out to them via any available means to solicit for information that may lead to the best encyclopedic coverage of the topic. In any case, my aim is not to be paid but in the process, most people feel the need to even just make a compensation for resources spent. See-N-e-v-e-r-M-i-n-d (talk) 08:10, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is incorrect. It is apparant that you have been doing work through Upwork or related sites. What GSS is refering to is any site where you advertise your services, which includes your profile where you would offer your services at sites such as Upwork, Freelancer and Fivver. The details of the policy are at: Disclosing external accounts on Wikipedia. - Bilby (talk) 13:25, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When it's Bilby, I am not surprised. Bilby has never had anything positive to say about my contributions. Always reverting, and undoing, and tagging, and deleting, and accusing, and the list goes on... See-N-e-v-e-r-M-i-n-d (talk) 02:23, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you do get work through any of these sites, you need to disclose each and every client on your userpage separately using the {{paid}} template and must not create articles directly in the main namespace. Additionally, in such cases you are required to provide a link to your profile(s) where you advertise paid editing services. GSS 💬 14:19, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's interesting the way you guys discuss and your general modus operandi. Why is it that you try your best to sway the discussion towards your side even when you think it'd be best to consider all possibilities? Why would you say "If you do get work through any...you need to...", well, and what if I do not?

Or make me understand, do you guys just assume bad faith by defailt? See-N-e-v-e-r-M-i-n-d (talk) 02:39, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GSS, I do not understand why you've chosen to dratify my work while tagging it a violation of WP:PAID. I must mention like I did before that I have always disclosed my COIs. Can you please tell me which clause of WP:PAID I violated given that I had (as required) disclosed my COIs on the article's mainpage, it's talk page, and listed the same in my talk page. I have technically followed all the requirements of the very guidelines you're saying I violated. Please explain to me why this is happening. See-N-e-v-e-r-M-i-n-d (talk) 10:41, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your account has been blocked indefinitely for advertising or promotion and violating the Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use. This is because you have been making promotional edits to topics in which you have a financial stake, yet you have failed to adhere to the mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a form of conflict of interest (COI) editing which involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is strictly prohibited. Using this site for advertising or promotion is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia.

If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, please read our guide to appealing blocks to understand more about unblock requests, and then add the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}} at the end of your user talk page. For that request to be considered, you must:

Confirm that you have read and understand the Terms of Use and paid editing disclosure requirements.
State clearly how you are being compensated for your edits, and describe any affiliation or conflict of interest you might have with the subjects you have written about.
Describe how you intend to edit such topics in the future.

Have reviewed the case. Long term promotional editing and refusal to disclose who is paying them and what group they are a part of despite this being clearly explained this is required. Extensive copyright violations on Commons related to that promotion.[1] Despite multiple warnings this has continued.

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 05:34, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

See-N-e-v-e-r-M-i-n-d (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I know why I was blocked. I have read and understood the WMF Terms of Use and I understand that my previous actions were going against the Terms. I will abide by the Terms in my future edits and will be careful to disclose all my COIs if any, including who's paying, on behalf of who. In terms of the Commons violation, I'm sorry I just hadn't understood what to do. I promise to do better. See-N-e-v-e-r-M-i-n-d (talk)

Decline reason:

It's difficult to trust you right now, so I'm not sure you will be unblocked to, in the short term, further edit about clients. You also don't say anything about complying with the requirement to disclose your external accounts where you offer your services. 331dot (talk) 09:20, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

See-N-e-v-e-r-M-i-n-d (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I know why I was blocked (promotion and advertising on Wikipedia). At the time of doing so, I was not aware that I was violating WMF'sTerms of Use. I have familiarized myself with the various Terms and promise not to violate them again. Additionally, I'll be sure to disclose all the necessary disclosures should I have a COI in editing including the client, the employer, and any and all affiliations involved as need be. See-N-e-v-e-r-M-i-n-d (talk) 10:27, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

As per 331dot, I see no path forward allowing you to continue writing about clients, at least not in the near term. Yamla (talk) 12:17, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Impressive, Yamla. Very very impressive. See-N-e-v-e-r-M-i-n-d (talk) 18:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:RSP Architects Planners & Engineers. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 07:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A tag has been placed on Draft:RSP Architects Planners & Engineers requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

G11, two paid editors, both fired, company editor blocked as meat. This is a blatant advert.

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