- This review is transcluded from Talk:Mental illness in Middle-earth/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Nominator: Chiswick Chap (talk · contribs) 09:04, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reviewer: Eewilson (talk · contribs) 03:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Many thanks! Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:16, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Later today (Sunday), I'll get into the details of Criteria 2, 3, and 4. If I request something that conflicts with the Middle-earth Project standards, please let me know. Thanks. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 06:47, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Chiswick Chap The weekend and this week IRL have been busier than I expected. Just letting you know that my lack of input this week is temporary. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 13:24, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Criterion 1a
- Reword this blurb, make concise: Tolkien fans have discussed what kind of mental illness Gollum might have
- Might be a better word than "stated" here: A supervised study by medical students stated that Gollum met many
- "decided", perhaps. "stated" is a usual form on Wikipedia for "X <produced the written text to the effect that> Y"; "wrote" is also commonly used, but producing a diagnosis isn't really just writing any old thing.
- Maybe "concluded"? – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk)
- Done. But we're well down among the weeds here.
- I hear you, and honestly, "concluded" was the word I was trying to think of yesterday that wouldn't come out. Better now. Thanks. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk)
- Remove leading "The": The scholar of English Steve Walker
- This is standard British English usage; all Middle-earth articles use this language.
- Hmm. Is it required for British English? When I read it, I immediately think it's unnecessary. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk)
- This is the diction used in this and all other Middle-earth articles. It is standard in BE; it may be that some BE speakers use variant dictions, in which case all that needs to be said is that this is the chosen Middle-earth article diction.
- Sentence fragment: Other Tolkien scholars and psychiatrists have broadly agreed, suggesting in addition Gollum's schizoid personality disorder and the resemblance of Frodo's increasingly disturbed mental state to post-traumatic stress disorder.
- We have "Walker states xyz. Other Tolkien scholars etc have broadly agreed [with Walker], ..." which is not wrong, but let's spell it out for ease of reading.
- That's better, but I also think moving "in addition" to immediately after the first comma would keep the reader [me] from glaring at it multiple times to try to understand the meaning. Thus: "Other Tolkien scholars and psychiatrists have broadly agreed with Walker, in addition suggesting Gollum's schizoid personality disorder and the resemblance of Frodo's increasingly disturbed mental state to post-traumatic stress disorder." I would probably put a comma after the moved "in addition", but your call. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk)
- Moved, but we are in danger of altering the diction here, and the comma certainly would do that. We're also perilously close to an edit-loop.
- Oh, I'm not sure it would be perilous. A fire or earthquake is perilous. An edit-loop would be annoying. Looks good now, though, and I think it is more clear. We do like our commas in American English. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk)
- Remove leading "The": The medievalist Alke Haarsma-Wisselink
- Remove leading "The": The Tolkien scholar James T. Williamson
- Remove leading "The": The psychiatrists Landon van Dell...
- Remove leading "The": The Tolkien scholar Karyn Milos
- Remove leading "The": The Swiss psychiatrist Carl Jung
- "Probably"? Did this come from the source?: and probably shared these ideas with Tolkien
- Yes, article says "it was likely he...".
- Okay. You don't need the comma before "and probably" since there is no repeat of the subject noun. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk)
- Edited; just removing the comma doesn't work at all in BE if the other comma is present.
- Remove leading "The": The scholar Verlyn Flieger
- Remove leading "The": The clinical psychologist Nancy Bunting
- I think "in her words" should be surrounded by commas: such as in a letter to Christopher Tolkien which in her words
- Remove leading "The": The Tolkien scholar Michael Drout
- Remove leading "The"; "film scholar" instead of "scholar of film": The scholar of film Kristin Thompson
- Is "as if" the doubting language? Maybe make this more clear: He writes that Tolkien's doubting language, "as if", and the amnesia both suggest
- Edited.
- Good. Let's say "and Frodo's amnesia" instead of "and the amnesia". I think the redundancy would be a positive for clarity. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk)
- No, Frodo is the subject of the paragraph, and he is named both in the previous sentence and a few words later.
- Or "not wishing to remember it": and then forgot it, did not wish to remember it.
- Maybe say Denethor is the Steward of Gondor when he is first mentioned? "Denethor, the Steward of Gondor,"
- Added.
- Good. Then in the Paranoia section, you may not need it again, but you can leave it if you think it's better that way. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk)
- Removed the second gloss.
- First round. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 04:31, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Second round. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 19:47, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Criterion 1a met. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 05:31, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Criterion 1b
- There is nothing in the Lead that touches on Tolkien's interest in the subject of mental illness. As it is a topic of a section of the article, it is important that it be covered in the Lead. Other than that, the Lead looks good.
- Added.
- That works. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk)
- First round – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 05:59, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Criterion 1b met – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 06:23, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Criterion 2
Criterion 3
Criterion 4
Criteria 5 and 6
- Reviewed and no issues. Criteria 5 and 6 met
- – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 05:59, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]